2016 Postmortem

1StrongBlackMan

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49. After a quick read through, I have to disagree with some of the analysis ...

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:48 PM

Jul 2015

There’s a big difference  between 10,000 at a rally and turning out 3,500 caucus  attenders on a cold winter night in Iowa. I suspect Bernie Sanders will learn the difference in February,

I have no doubt that the delegates for Bernie will show up. Bernie supporters are a lot like the Ron Paul supporters ... that's to say very devoted.

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The Bernie Sanders bubble: Get set for a flameout, analysts say [View all] hack89 Jul 2015 OP

Unrec. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1

+1 zappaman Jul 2015 #60

I agree...flamebait. haikugal Jul 2015 #109

Agreed. MuseRider Jul 2015 #113

Who does this "former chief strategist for Howard Dean"... bvar22 Jul 2015 #126

You missed the point of the OP hack89 Jul 2015 #171

They are working to get him elected. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #203

And you know this how? Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #204

There are meet-ups happening all over the country. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #208

Time (at least until Super Tuesday) will tell. hack89 Jul 2015 #210

Hey bvar! MuseRider Jul 2015 #172

Because what place do everyday people.... daleanime Jul 2015 #2

More quackery from media hacks ram2008 Jul 2015 #3

Steve McMahon is big time party hack Divernan Jul 2015 #44

quackery hackery, I like it virtualobserver Jul 2015 #59

maybe our initial response to Bernie jumping in was correct? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #4

Time... daleanime Jul 2015 #73

It is presently July 2015 Tom Rinaldo Jul 2015 #5

In 2007 Obama had raised $25 million by April. $58 million by July. hack89 Jul 2015 #11

Bernie ha an engaged activist base constituency Tom Rinaldo Jul 2015 #16

I understand your need to believe that hack89 Jul 2015 #192

Not in the number of contributors Mnpaul Jul 2015 #175

So? hack89 Jul 2015 #193

So the candidate with the most $$$ wins? Mnpaul Jul 2015 #207

i don't like it but it is our present reality hack89 Jul 2015 #209

It's our present reality Mnpaul Jul 2015 #211

I'm sure if Bernie took money from Goldman Sachs etc. Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #196

Sure. No argument from me on that point. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #197

'traveling circus'? Really? Not at all n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #6

So there is evidence of a multi-state organization? hack89 Jul 2015 #9

The unions udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #13

So all the unions are organizing for Bernie? Any links? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #15

FYI the unions already are organized n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #18

So they are all working with Bernie's campaign? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #20

Sanders enjoys a lot of support from labor unions udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #30

Lol, guy seems to make a habit of making 'errors' like that. The internal polling must be very bad sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #129

!!! BlueJazz Jul 2015 #162

So it has to be either one or the other. A classic false dichotomy n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #17

The propaganda machine in action. azmom Jul 2015 #7

Yep, sure looks that way! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #176

Just keep on thinking that madokie Jul 2015 #8

You don't think Dean's supporters were equally committed? hack89 Jul 2015 #12

If history is doomed to repeat itself... arcane1 Jul 2015 #21

So lets tie his fate to the latest winning campaign and see how he compares. hack89 Jul 2015 #24

Or, let's not fall into the stupid trap of saying history must always repeat itself. arcane1 Jul 2015 #26

2007 and 2015 are quite different virtualobserver Jul 2015 #36

ok nt hack89 Jul 2015 #58

And Obama didn't win any debates in the primary JI7 Jul 2015 #63

so when Bernie does? Even better. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #66

that Obama winning the nomination had nothing to do with debates JI7 Jul 2015 #69

I disagree, but why do you feel that way? n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #72

because i supported Obama and followed the campaign JI7 Jul 2015 #75

So did I.....so why did he win? in your opinion. n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #81

one of the most charismatic and talented politicians ever JI7 Jul 2015 #87

yes, and you don't think that people saw that in the debates? virtualobserver Jul 2015 #91

not in the debates JI7 Jul 2015 #95

OK, I give up n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #96

Obama was beign groomed for the Presidency since before his speech at the 2004 Convention. bvar22 Jul 2015 #148

So far, the Clinton team is 0-1 Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #117

i would say dean supporters were more committed JI7 Jul 2015 #51

still pushing that meme....and adding to it virtualobserver Jul 2015 #52

people who don't donate can vote also JI7 Jul 2015 #55

oh, you mean ACTUAL voters virtualobserver Jul 2015 #56

Sure, the powers that be will figure out so wayto discredit him... Human101948 Jul 2015 #10

Typical Of The Press - Put Out A Negative Piece Like This...... global1 Jul 2015 #14

The media killed Howard Dean's presidential run angryvet Jul 2015 #19

Lack of money and organization were bigger factors hack89 Jul 2015 #22

$15 million is lack of money? ram2008 Jul 2015 #31

Obama had raised $58 million by this point in July 2007 hack89 Jul 2015 #57

Source? I see 26 million ram2008 Jul 2015 #70

His Total Receipts were for $58,912,520 hack89 Jul 2015 #71

Obama joined in Feb, $15 million is enough to run a formidable campaign ram2008 Jul 2015 #89

Obama raised $25 million by March. hack89 Jul 2015 #90

Blatantly dishonest ram2008 Jul 2015 #97

Romney had raised $44 million by July 07. Edwards $23 million. McCain $25 million. hack89 Jul 2015 #101

because they announced months EARLIER ram2008 Jul 2015 #118

So he is behind and in a huge hole hack89 Jul 2015 #132

He's neither ram2008 Jul 2015 #139

His national poll numbers are nothing to crow about nt hack89 Jul 2015 #141

No he isn't. He's in first tier territory, and ready to step toe to toe with Clinton Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #121

Right. Got it. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #134

You've been a busy little bee okasha Jul 2015 #190

Not in terms of money. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #194

Who needs millions when you have over 200,000+ volunteers and increasing Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #213

Any candidate that wants to win hack89 Jul 2015 #217

M$M can't control social media Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #120

Rec. Crowds don't mean anything, really. lunamagica Jul 2015 #23

You forgot one.. frylock Jul 2015 #128

Like I said, crowds don't mean anything. lunamagica Jul 2015 #159

Yep, that's what you said. frylock Jul 2015 #161

"Steve McMahon - Ass" StandingInLeftField Jul 2015 #25

Steve McMahon's Purple Strategies Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #34

Seems like a great guy.... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #37

Hahahahahahahahaha fredamae Jul 2015 #27

Yes, there is evidence of a large grassroots campaign marym625 Jul 2015 #28

Well bless Steve McMahon's little heart. Autumn Jul 2015 #29

ha ha no traveling circus I assure you. and many ARE going to IA and NH! TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #32

For the campaign? Or, among Bernie supporters? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33

Same meme, different week AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #35

Howard Dean got thrown under the bus by the corporate dems, who then pushed forward Cleita Jul 2015 #38

How did they do this? brooklynite Jul 2015 #41

Did you read my post? That's how they did it. Cleita Jul 2015 #47

So this crafty plan required that Dean first lose in Iowa and then let out a scream? mythology Jul 2015 #78

He placed third. He didn't lose. Cleita Jul 2015 #82

But remember how electable Kerry was? frylock Jul 2015 #135

Big difference. Dean is a centrist, also DLC. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #214

dean had already lost iowa when the scream happened JI7 Jul 2015 #50

He placed third. Cleita Jul 2015 #74

they didn't.there were other states and Dean had limited appeal JI7 Jul 2015 #76

You know I don't care what version of history you want to go with. Cleita Jul 2015 #79

I completely agree with what you said MuseRider Jul 2015 #174

Traveling circus? Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #39

Next will be comparisons to the freak show. frylock Jul 2015 #158

We had supporters outside at Comicon today nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #191

I can't speak for any state besides my own Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #40

Hey Bjorn Kalidurga Jul 2015 #133

Yes, I was at the Southdale meeting Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #166

Cool Kalidurga Jul 2015 #177

The Boston Herald rag wishes it were so..... TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #42

Sour grapes from sore loser/Dean's chief strategist. Divernan Jul 2015 #43

Only in politics are people who botched the fuck out of a job later asked to critique others seeking Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #45

Yep, and when Sanders does beat Clinton, this idiot hack will be back.. frylock Jul 2015 #54

Rec'ing this because, as Cindy Sheehan said, snot Jul 2015 #46

Reccing for same reason nt Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #216

"I utterly failed in the 2004 campaign I ran. So I can provide excellent advice on how to win now" jeff47 Jul 2015 #48

After a quick read through, I have to disagree with some of the analysis ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #49

The envelope, please! cloudbase Jul 2015 #61

A Swing, and a miss ... Here let me serve up a big fat one, right down the middle ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #62

I might have to alert this post. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #64

Water Is wet? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #65

I'll alllow it. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #67

Got something against dry ice? Laughing right along with you, Strong. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #181

Well per some DUers ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #183

Indeed it is! Here's an image of it... Get this... 'Subliming...' freshwest Jul 2015 #189

Your post reeks of time zone bigotry! Take that! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #180

LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #184

There you go again RobertEarl Jul 2015 #80

There you go again listening to the voices in your head rather than what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #110

I read between the lines RobertEarl Jul 2015 #114

Well, you are not very good at it ... So please stop; or, better, place me on ignore ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #136

Dehydration does, too. Great illusion there. Thanks for triggering my laughter gene. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #179

Gee, who know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185

Regarding that sig line. I saw Martin on teevee! Look at me! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #182

Why are you calling Martin a racist!!!!!!! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #186

Oh, I gotta find my reading glasses for that one! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #187

And the good news is, by February no one will remember he said it. malthaussen Jul 2015 #53

It's getting more and more clear that there will be some serious flameouts here as well. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #68

There will indeed be flameouts. I expect a full-blown PUMA conflagration.. frylock Jul 2015 #140

um... Left coast liberal Jul 2015 #77

He is referring to state wide GOTV organizations hack89 Jul 2015 #83

Traveling circus tazkcmo Jul 2015 #84

Bernie's the Independent. I am a Democrat hack89 Jul 2015 #85

Bernie is a Democrat RobertEarl Jul 2015 #86

He is a political opportunist. hack89 Jul 2015 #88

He is a dedicated US senator RobertEarl Jul 2015 #92

Rudeness and pettiness are all too common on DU to surprise me. hack89 Jul 2015 #93

You called Bernie a political opportunist RobertEarl Jul 2015 #94

I said it. I meant it. hack89 Jul 2015 #98

Here's what Bernie and any good Democrat wants RobertEarl Jul 2015 #111

Nothing wrong with that hack89 Jul 2015 #125

Because he can't be bought? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #131

No. hack89 Jul 2015 #137

He's just a Community Organizer..... frylock Jul 2015 #144

Who was a rising star with a national profile hack89 Jul 2015 #146

And who's numbers are trending upward as we type? frylock Jul 2015 #149

And who still has a massive lead? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #151

Over a year out.. frylock Jul 2015 #154

The game hasn't even started hack89 Jul 2015 #156

I expect the momentum for Sanders to be at full speed by then.. frylock Jul 2015 #163

Obama had the Daley organization in Chicago okasha Jul 2015 #206

So when Hillary carpetbagged to Manhattan to start her presidential aspirations.. frylock Jul 2015 #143

She didn't switch parties, now did she? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #147

Sanders is doing the Democrats a solid by doing so. frylock Jul 2015 #150

Yes. When he concedes hack89 Jul 2015 #153

mmm-hmmmm frylock Jul 2015 #155

I can't imagine him being that ungracious about it hack89 Jul 2015 #157

No, I'm sure President Sanders will be very gracious.. frylock Jul 2015 #160

Just like President Kucinich did? hack89 Jul 2015 #195

"my skin is plenty thick" aspirant Jul 2015 #112

Do not be surprised by the Admins' reaction okasha Jul 2015 #200

Wow. Koinos Jul 2015 #215

When you have doubts aspirant Jul 2015 #106

I have no doubts. hack89 Jul 2015 #108

"I doubt it" (post #88) your own words aspirant Jul 2015 #119

I doubt I will be singing a different tune come next November hack89 Jul 2015 #127

Another doubt aspirant Jul 2015 #165

I remember being a delegate at my state convention during hrc's first run. juxtaposed Jul 2015 #99

But Obama had raised a huge amount of money hack89 Jul 2015 #105

Right now we are so far out from the same time that no one knows. juxtaposed Jul 2015 #123

The Gungeonite speaks Trajan Jul 2015 #100

As a gun owner I should support Bernie hack89 Jul 2015 #103

Thank you! Change has come Jul 2015 #205

the media wouldnt lie about something like this HFRN Jul 2015 #102

translation 'now the media is considering him a real threat' nt HFRN Jul 2015 #104

I agree with this. DCBob Jul 2015 #107

You should peep the tens of thousands of small but vocal group of hard core followers.. frylock Jul 2015 #145

Circus.Tell that to the people that came in to see Bernie. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #115

Sure. Do you have their names handy? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #138

interesting that instead of playing other candidates up restorefreedom Jul 2015 #116

Sanders has a huge social media presence and former Obama media people are working with him. Avalux Jul 2015 #122

I just have to assume a lot of Clinton supporters just don't do Facebook. frylock Jul 2015 #152

Bookmarked so I can revisit next February. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #124

That's the fun part of politics. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #142

There had already been 3 debates in the 2008 cycle, the 4th on July 12th. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #130

Critical thinking Failure. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #164

Would these be the same analysts who told us Bernie would never get off the ground? n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #167

Just a general question about this sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #168

Thanks for your concern. GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #169

You are welcome. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #170

There are some legitimate points there Renew Deal Jul 2015 #173

He packed a ballroom in NV June 19 Mnpaul Jul 2015 #178

Well actually, yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #198

Yes what? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #199

I saw it today nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #188

Objectively speaking I think it is far too early to determine the viability of any candidate at this still_one Jul 2015 #201

Of COURSE "pundits" would say that...they are desperate to see Bernie collapse... Ken Burch Jul 2015 #202

If they're only talking about Iowa TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #212

Jesus Christ... your avi & comments FollowtheDough Jul 2015 #218