For those who say he can't win the general (Reply #7)

In the discussion thread: Bernie Sanders Breaks 20% in a National Poll for the First Time; Gaining Support Across Demographics [View all]

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Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:41 PM

BrotherIvan (9,126 posts)

7. For those who say he can't win the general

Sanders appears to be stronger with those who call themselves independents than he is with Democrats. He runs even with Clinton among independents who are registered to vote (although many of them may not participate in Democratic nominating contests), whether the question includes all the potential candidates or is just limited to Sanders and Clinton. And independents are less likely to have an unfavorable view of Sanders than they are to have an unfavorable view of Clinton.

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203 replies	Author	Time	Post
Bernie Sanders Breaks 20% in a National Poll for the First Time; Gaining Support Across Demographics [View all]	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	OP
25% is not bad at all for 7 months out and before any debates against the Clinton Machine.	morningfog	Jul 2015	#1
look at page 99	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#11
this is more significant than hillary because this is word of mouth. Consider what it might do if he	roguevalley	Jul 2015	#115
yes i agree, i had just posted we need debates	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#119
you think the gop debates are going to help the gop? i don't. nt	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#176
it is a gamble i am not willing to take	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#180
we should. i am for lots of them	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#182
dems debating each other prepares the eventual candidate for	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#184
absolutely	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#185
No, he is BERNING the road. Respect the meme!	Betty Karlson	Jul 2015	#190
I think that once Sanders gets over the "not viable" hump his popularity will soar.	leveymg	Jul 2015	#105
we need debates	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#116
If it helps Hillary, the DNC will move other states ahead or onto the same dates as NH and Iowa.	leveymg	Jul 2015	#121
once she got going she was a great candidate in 08	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#186
I did not think she was a great candidate in 08. Which is why I supported Obama.	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#200
where is O'Malley? He's announced and Biden has not.	TheNutcracker	Jul 2015	#137
I think Biden will not run	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2015	#2
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2015	#37
That's also how I see it!	swilton	Jul 2015	#43
Personally I see a split	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2015	#77
A good deal of Biden's "support" is probably from...	BlueEye	Jul 2015	#94
Why the heck DO they keep including Biden?	lostnfound	Jul 2015	#3
Good point. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure most Biden supporters	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#6
I'm not so sure. I'd guess a third of them would go for Bernie	lostnfound	Jul 2015	#18
All very good points I hadn't considered.	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#20
Biden would get a percentage of the "not Clinton" support that is currently going to Sanders. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2015	#31
Yep	Springslips	Jul 2015	#72
YEs, a VERY small percentage.	George II	Jul 2015	#181
This Biden supporter is firmly behind Bernie.	woodsprite	Jul 2015	#45
The data suggests Clinton does better when Biden isn't included in the polls	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#78
Not exactly...Clinton gains 19% - Bernie gains 28%	demwing	Jul 2015	#138
Please cite the results fdrom the polls with HRC, JB, and BS	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#140
We are discussing the poll in the OP	demwing	Jul 2015	#154
Here are the unskewed numbers from the poll that was posted at Daily Kos ...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#156
One man's "unskewed" is another man's "skewed"	demwing	Jul 2015	#159
Did I did I or did I not post the headline (unskewed results) from the poll?	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#160
Who is skewing whom here?	demwing	Jul 2015	#194
Sir, you are conflating Democrats and independents	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#195
You went there ..	Trajan	Jul 2015	#178
I presented the numbers (unskewed) as they appeared on yougov's website	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#183
I love Joe	snpsmom	Jul 2015	#173
Maybe.	PatrynXX	Jul 2015	#23
Yes, but if that were the case	swilton	Jul 2015	#46
Luv ya, Joe. But shit or get off the pot.	Buns_of_Fire	Jul 2015	#68
I would think (hope) you are right since I am for HRC, but then really	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#155
It was rumored about a week ago Biden was planning to enter the race. Not sure what his timeframe	PoliticAverse	Jul 2015	#28
He helps them to achieve the poll results they are looking for. eom	NorthCarolina	Jul 2015	#113
#FeelTheBern	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2015	#4
Why did Dan Tex post this?	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#5
I don't dispute your post	artislife	Jul 2015	#150
why did Dan Tex post this?	ablamj	Jul 2015	#161
We just finished dinner together and he told me why.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#163
if you knew	ablamj	Jul 2015	#165
Check the time stamp. That was before we dined.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#166
still don't understand	ablamj	Jul 2015	#167
He called me after my post and said we could discuss it in person	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#168
he could have posted the reason here	ablamj	Jul 2015	#170
For those who say he can't win the general	BrotherIvan	Jul 2015	#7
There are so many elements to this that the "experts"	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#8
As I have said since the question of his ability to win the general came up	BrotherIvan	Jul 2015	#13
"Voters" should always ben treated as a warning sign this early.	jeff47	Jul 2015	#99
only 66% of these folks in the ops poll are registered	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#114
No, 66% of the people they asked. Then they weight responses based on their voter model.	jeff47	Jul 2015	#151
no ..of the 1000 people in this poll	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#175
We don't have to massage the numbers to envision how Madame Secretary would fare	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#9
You mean some polls good, some polls bad?	BrotherIvan	Jul 2015	#12
Please correct me if I am wrong...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#15
Your own chart shows Hillary support softening and Bernie support increasing over time	peacebird	Jul 2015	#24
This is one poll but I will submit it's meaningful	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#27
Hillary has been dropping in all polls by 3-5 points month over month, Bernie is climbing by more	peacebird	Jul 2015	#104
Here is the Huffington Post Poll Of Polls:	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#106
Please, continue to believe what you wish.	peacebird	Jul 2015	#107
I admire your passion.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#108
So are mine. Have a nice day.	peacebird	Jul 2015	#110
You as well./nt	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#111
She's not a good speaker and ....	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#122
She's	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#123
Some of these really matter....	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#125
Her husband -	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#126
You mean, because he signed the billS that Bernie voted for? n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#129
Her husband is also the man	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#148
And, Oh Yeah ... Regarding her speaking ability ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#128
She's at worst an average public speaker by any objective metric	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#131
Their equal and quite convincing. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#132
Show me where people get fired up about Hillary - she doesnt' have a WOW! factor at all.	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#136
I'm fired up...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#141
I appreciate the response.	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#145
Here's the issues that are dear to me in order.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#149
You'd be wrong...	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#157
I am sure everybody but the banksters dislike the banksters.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#158
I got 1-1 odds.	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#146
Hillary is a corporacrat so is that good enough or	INdemo	Jul 2015	#192
If President Obama and I were on a sinking ship together and there was one life preserver left	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#193
President Obama in my opinion	INdemo	Jul 2015	#198
Totally agree with you.	BeanMusical	Jul 2015	#202
Because ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#25
Because arithmetic	BrotherIvan	Jul 2015	#90
The polling of Hillary v the Republicans does the arithmetic for you.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#91
Any Democrat can beat any Republican	BrotherIvan	Jul 2015	#92
Can you cite data and not opinion that any Democrat can beat any Republican for president	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#97
backs away slowly...	BrotherIvan	Jul 2015	#109
You're referring to yourself in the third person?	BeanMusical	Jul 2015	#169
You know who else referred to himself in the third person?	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#171
You really have a distorted image of yourself.	BeanMusical	Jul 2015	#172
Are you Dr. Ablow?	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#174
So what Sanders needs is a massive voter re-registration campaign to re-register	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#17
Be careful of what you ask for ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#41
This is tactical... Bernie wasn't running for president in those years...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#55
That's just it ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#62
Note what's happened to both Republicans and Democrats up until recent times here in Oregon...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#79
Okay. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#88
My neighbors. I'm in California. A lot of liberal Californians (who are much more liberal	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#118
We are making inferences from and massaging this poll to where it no longer makes sense...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#75
Register voters in geographical areas or sections of your city or town in which likely	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#120
I live in Brad Sherman's district...It's very Democratic./nt	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#124
Great. For the 2016 election, we need to register every Democrat we can. Thanks.	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#143
My brother suggested that we concentrate registering voters in low income, minority neighborhoods-	fed-up	Jul 2015	#197
Even in California it is important to re-register voters as Democrats.	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#117
but the problem is	qazplm	Jul 2015	#74
But the difference is that FOR ONCE they have more of an independent running as a Democrat...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#84
Agreed. The person I was responding to seemed to think ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#85
I showed a graph where percentage-wise and in numbers more voters have left the Democrats in Oregon.	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#127
Okay. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#134
And register the youth vote, they desperately want jobs	Babel_17	Jul 2015	#112
The focus on registration should be on all the people	Elmer S. E. Dump	Jul 2015	#133
In PA, voter registration can be done	PADemD	Jul 2015	#144
That's true in all the state's ... Federal "motor voter" law from the Clinton era. nt	hedda_foil	Jul 2015	#188
So, how can we remind people to register for Bernie?	PADemD	Jul 2015	#191
The tried and true, time tested way is to find your local Democratic organization and tell them	hedda_foil	Jul 2015	#201
I've done all that, since 2007. I just wish voter registration would be automatic.	PADemD	Jul 2015	#203
Yep.	Jefferson23	Jul 2015	#69
Change is not only good...it is essential!	NRaleighLiberal	Jul 2015	#10
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!	WillyT	Jul 2015	#14
As of July 5, RealClearPolitics has it Clinton 62.8% Sanders 14.3%	George II	Jul 2015	#16
Please see post 15...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#22
Actually a number of states have open primaries.....	peacebird	Jul 2015	#26
But in most (if not all) of those open primaries, a voter has to be registered with a Party....	George II	Jul 2015	#47
In Virginia you just have to be a registered voter. Rules for open or closed primaries:	peacebird	Jul 2015	#100
Your belief is wrong.	jeff47	Jul 2015	#102
neither does Minnesota	Mnpaul	Jul 2015	#147
that's exactly what we say in GA too... n/t	ablamj	Jul 2015	#164
Good point and good information - that one arrived just as I was sending mine!	George II	Jul 2015	#29
Actually some states have open primaries like California, where an independent can request either a	still_one	Jul 2015	#54
I didn't notice they excluded O'Malley.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#63
I assume it is under "other", but that only puts emphasis that they excluded him	still_one	Jul 2015	#65
I elaborated before your responded.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#66
Got it	still_one	Jul 2015	#81
First of all there are open primaries and closed primaries	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#87
I agree	still_one	Jul 2015	#89
Without the benefit of national exposure vis a vis debates, his rise in national polling is amazing.	AtomicKitten	Jul 2015	#19
Without the benefit of national exposure? Have you been watching the news the last few weeks?	George II	Jul 2015	#32
I think even though corporate media Bernies's not seen much in other media he is NATIONAL...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#44
My doctor just moved to Baltimore to work for a	AtomicKitten	Jul 2015	#139
Bernie is now THE challenger in this race.	salib	Jul 2015	#21
O'Malley didn't even rate? Just 'other'? oh well. nt	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#30
That's the fallacy of these snapshot polls - they indicate results AT that time, not shortly after..	George II	Jul 2015	#34
Clearly a useless/b.s./know-nothing poll.	elleng	Jul 2015	#83
I must say I love this strategy...	Kalidurga	Jul 2015	#33
People who never voted are now canvassing for Bernie? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#49
By "canvassing" do you mean going door to door, etc.?	George II	Jul 2015	#56
I think you clicked the wrong person ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#59
If the general election reflected the will of the American people on policy positions	MillennialDem	Jul 2015	#35
Hmm... See where Obama was vs. Hillary in 2007 in this poll graph...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#36
According to your own graph BHO was down 15-20 points at this time in 07	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#40
I was noting that the counts shown in this poll show Hillary with 43% and Bernie with 24%...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#48
I was noting that the counts shown in this poll show Hillary with 43% and Bernie with 24%...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#53
Many of these "Independents" will register as Democrats to vote for Bernie...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#58
No, not the same numbers - Clinton had ~ 45, Obama ~25	George II	Jul 2015	#50
Polls and accurate vote counts are meaningless until election day...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#61
This is why deconstructing polls is fraught with danger...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#70
Yes, not definitively important, but not totally meaningless either ...	HereSince1628	Jul 2015	#199
Using the same methodology(same compilation of polls) she's up 57-17 now...	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#82
wasn't that poll for 2008? nt	Stellar	Jul 2015	#103
Yep, and most of it is showing the year 2007. Look at the bottom legend.	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#130
Oops, got'cha. edit	Stellar	Jul 2015	#189
All I know is, that this is like a storm...	SoapBox	Jul 2015	#38
Woah!	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#42
Isn't it cool!	SoapBox	Jul 2015	#51
This is how we roll....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#57
May God or the FSM bless our candidate & President	FollowtheDough	Jul 2015	#93
In His Holy Appendages We Trust.	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#95
Here in Portland, Sanders should take the scenic route down SANDY BOULEVARD to the downtown area...	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#71
Just spoke to a republican about Bernie. He was interested	azmom	Jul 2015	#73
I think we just found Bernie's theme song..	frylock	Jul 2015	#96
yeaaahhhhhh!!!	restorefreedom	Jul 2015	#39
Why isn't O'Malley in there? I cannot believe he doesn't have as much as Chafee, and they should	still_one	Jul 2015	#52
Valid point and I do not know	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#64
I guess we can assume that it is in the "other" category, which begs the question as you said if	still_one	Jul 2015	#67
Where is Martin O'Malley	oberliner	Jul 2015	#60
'Foolish' (kind word) poll.	elleng	Jul 2015	#86
I realize that the pool of respondents is small but	Rosa Luxemburg	Jul 2015	#98
The sample is too small.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2015	#76
I'm tellin' ya: it's a matter of time.	Smarmie Doofus	Jul 2015	#80
Rules for Open Primary states (19) are in here, as well as closed primary.	peacebird	Jul 2015	#101
its still early. The revolution will take time	4dsc	Jul 2015	#135
I don't always agree with Bernie on issues but at least I really know where he ...	spin	Jul 2015	#142
I think it will be a big deal	TheFarseer	Jul 2015	#152
There's a post above that outlines	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#177
why is Biden in this poll? nt	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#153
531 respondents?	onehandle	Jul 2015	#162
Prepare for the Sandstorm!!!	Feeling the Bern	Jul 2015	#179
More accurate than polls -	OhZone	Jul 2015	#187
He's getting this momentum, which hasn't peaked, from his introductory message	Babel_17	Jul 2015	#196

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