2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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178. We all JOIN YOU in calling for an all-out fight against racism.

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:29 PM

Jul 2015

We wouldn't mind a candidate like the one you described at all. We wouldn't consider such a candidate exclusive to us. In fact, a lot of us supported a candidate exactly like that in 1984 and 1988:

I doubt many of us would regard a campaign like that today as excluding us or being dismissive of our concerns. Nor has he failed to be there or PoC on the issues. The reason Bernie's involvement in SNCC was referenced was that a person wouldn't have been in that group if they didn't get it that racism was an evil that had to be fought with passion.

Bernie didn't choose his early campaign schedule to intentionally bypass PoC areas or ever in any dismiss or minimized any issues PoC cared about. It's just that, with less money, he had to focus on the early primary states first...and those states, by happenstance, are monochrome.

So I understand the point you're trying to make, but your analogy doesn't work.

Bernie's campaign, and Bernie's supporters, have not dissed PoC.

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Question for Bernie Supporters ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 OP

Why don't we leave it for each individual to decide.... daleanime Jul 2015 #1

I don't care who anyone supports. I just want to understand, why you will fail ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #3

That's strange.... daleanime Jul 2015 #6

Supposing you had a candidate, which we did btw, in 1988, who was African American sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #34

I was just about to post about Jesse Jackson TM99 Jul 2015 #40

I don't see dedication in this artislife Jul 2015 #94

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #104

+ million HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #152

+ 1 Billion appalachiablue Jul 2015 #182

Hilary? OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #184

What I would truly want to know artislife Jul 2015 #55

For the 999th time ... I AM NOT SETTLED ON A CANDIDATE! 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #67

Sorry, joined last week. artislife Jul 2015 #75

What's there to dialogue about, when ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #97

Not playing artislife Jul 2015 #98

Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #99

+1 madokie Jul 2015 #165

Say it all you want, anyone who reads Your posts can tell . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #106

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #142

In regards to your tagline...If you aren't saying "Bernie doesn't care" Ken Burch Jul 2015 #179

Very well stated, the crux of the matter. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #183

That moment was a pretty big turning point for me as well virtualobserver Jul 2015 #127

That's strange, I live in a poor black neighborhood and have been asked several times Dragonfli Jul 2015 #162

Of course you care. 840high Jul 2015 #175

Would I be incorrect or disagreeable if I stated ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2

No. Not at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #5

I prefer to make the affirmative case... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10

Agreed. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #18

I do not understand what you are getting at AverageGuy Jul 2015 #35

All of which Sanders is doing. Or maybe you are not familiar with his position on those issues? sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #45

If you don't fight for both social AND economic justice then when/if parity ever does stillwaiting Jul 2015 #4

Well DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #7

I don't think there's a single person on this website that doesn't want that to be our reality. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #17

I don't want to mislead anybody. I am a generic white guy, albeit a poor generic white guy. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19

Oh? What candidate do I support? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #9

I have read MANY of your posts. You support neo-liberal policies for the most part. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #11

What does neo-liberal mean to you? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #15

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #25

Sweden is held out as a socialist nation DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #28

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #31

You started this discusion, why are you ignoring direct responses to the actual issues raised.. 2banon Jul 2015 #122

I agree with you madokie Jul 2015 #173

a classic example of the privileged class wallowing in deep denial and.. 2banon Jul 2015 #193

Hugo Chavez didn't nationalize a single bank... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #185

Neoliberalism is a right wing economic policy AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #69

The meaning of it has changed... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #76

It means economic liberalism AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #81

Economic liberalism like supporting regulated markets and a robust social welfare system? /nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #83

Economic liberalism means to liberate, not regulate, Capitalism AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #87

I don't believe FDR, JFK, and LBJ ever called themselves Democratic Socialists. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #89

Yet that's essentially what they were AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #92

Well DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #93

You are hung up on the Soviet model of centralized socialism AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #96

Where is this practiced? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #103

It is practiced in Nordic countries AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #119

No. Chan790 Jul 2015 #189

Laissez-faire capitalism or classical liberal economic policies failed. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #191

Fast Track isn't a "neo-liberal policy" ... it is a procedural policy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #22

Fast Track is a neo-liberal DREAM. Neo-liberal policies on steroids will be implemented stillwaiting Jul 2015 #24

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #26

Neoliberal economic policies are eroding civil rights AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #79

I think it is a useful point, 1SBM. malthaussen Jul 2015 #20

These terms get thrown around DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

I was referring to economic determinism. malthaussen Jul 2015 #43

The rich are always going to be with us. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #52

And "generous welfare state" is a lightening rod for conservatives- independents as well as bettyellen Jul 2015 #74

Here's the thing - if that is what you believe about Bernie - that he does not care about PoC - djean111 Jul 2015 #8

See, this is what is so frustrating about attempting to discuss this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #13

I am not shocked and angered. At all. You seem to want to keep asking this djean111 Jul 2015 #16

Seems simple enough to me. malthaussen Jul 2015 #49

Fair point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #51

The meme from the BOG/HRC/conservative camp is that because Sanders wants everyone Doctor_J Jul 2015 #68

Oh, I am not even gonna try reasoning with anyone. You are right. djean111 Jul 2015 #70

How many times do you get to ignore ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #105

Here we go again with the false dichotomies. delrem Jul 2015 #12

To this point, 4 Bernie supporters have posted and none have responded on what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #14

Maybe YOU should think about why we see the OP as an attack. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #21

You should listen to 1sbm. bravenak Jul 2015 #166

Hi! SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #125

Hey you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #138

I do see your screen name SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #161

Honestly, I would welcome that approach. donf Jul 2015 #23

A Question. Are you saying your problem is not with what Bernie says but Autumn Jul 2015 #27

No ... I love everything Bernie says; it's what he barely mentions that is HIS problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #29

So he needs to talk about it longer? I get that, it upsets and frustrates me Autumn Jul 2015 #30

And not only longer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33

I like Hillary, she's a nice person and she has done a lot of good things in her career. Autumn Jul 2015 #39

I just want to add. The issues that you feel Bernie hasn't talked about long enough Autumn Jul 2015 #50

There you go again, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #66

Does his history not count? Are we to ignore that? How can you get upset because Autumn Jul 2015 #78

I'm not offended ... just frustrated that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #102

Then you aren't interested in a discussion at all you just want everyone to agree with you. Autumn Jul 2015 #112

He's actually looking for a discussion of the ideas he has expressed- not what you think you heard. bettyellen Jul 2015 #128

I guess I should brush up on my ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #157

the candidate you describe sounds great to me. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #32

True. There is, has never been, and I strong suspect, will never be that candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #36

I can't imagine why you think this candidate would alienate anyone here. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #37

Many POC disagree with you. The People of Color for Bernie FaceBook page has almost 900 supporters peacebird Jul 2015 #38

I realize that I am not The Arbiter for Opinion of all people of color ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #46

The 50 year record would matter. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #42

I'm a "POC" Report1212 Jul 2015 #44

This Bernie Sanders supporter welcomes your question. femmedem Jul 2015 #47

No, I don't think Bernie being Jewish will hurt him with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #120

NAFTA and TPP are racist attacks on black communities. Closing 50 schools in Chicago is racist. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #48

And a question for you... jeff47 Jul 2015 #53

This^ artislife Jul 2015 #57

I care, in the present day ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #151

So...track records don't count? Except when they do count? jeff47 Jul 2015 #156

honestly i do not understand restorefreedom Jul 2015 #54

Think of it this way: malthaussen Jul 2015 #56

"economic justice," empowers the poor, anyone should realize that. Autumn Jul 2015 #59

Supposing that to be the case... malthaussen Jul 2015 #60

I'm no expert on those thing but I think there may be a bit of difference in Autumn Jul 2015 #73

The question is whether what you and Bernie see as "economic justice" is what others see malthaussen Jul 2015 #88

The prosperity of the wealthy class has done nothing for the Autumn Jul 2015 #100

Possilby they should. malthaussen Jul 2015 #101

That's why people shouldn't tell people they are stupid . Autumn Jul 2015 #113

agreed. and bernie is the only one restorefreedom Jul 2015 #85

Thanks for putting it this way. rbnyc Jul 2015 #61

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #86

i absolutely am NOT advocating any form of trickle down restorefreedom Jul 2015 #77

The issue is of perception malthaussen Jul 2015 #91

if you are saying that bernie needs to work on presentation restorefreedom Jul 2015 #121

So it really isn't that hard to understand? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #135

Not hard to understand, and something every candidate should address. n/t femmedem Jul 2015 #186

Great post! Stardust Jul 2015 #63

t-y restorefreedom Jul 2015 #71

Really ... with all due respect ... Trajan Jul 2015 #58

How does this post not constitute a personal attack? malthaussen Jul 2015 #62

Alert on it .... Trajan Jul 2015 #64

Eh, alert would be overkill malthaussen Jul 2015 #82

The ignore feature still works. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #72

Can't be blocked here HUH ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #107

??? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #109

Your not asking question, your setting hurdles .?????????? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #110

Setting hurdoes for whom. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #111

That is the POINT of GD. Open discussion. bravenak Jul 2015 #134

If asking is inconvient, better I'm blocked, many are leaving. NOT HERE THOUGH, huh . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #136

Ummm hmmm. bravenak Jul 2015 #137

Wouldn't bother me at all Scootaloo Jul 2015 #65

I would love a candidate like that, actually. historylovr Jul 2015 #80

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #108

This is just incidental. rbnyc Jul 2015 #84

socio-economic equality and justice 101 - It's DIRECTLY CONNECTED! 2banon Jul 2015 #90

They go hand in hand and cannot be separated. morningfog Jul 2015 #115

Bernie shockey80 Jul 2015 #95

All of the many different issues count sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #114

anything I have to say goes without saying olddots Jul 2015 #116

My answer, but first Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #117

+1000 !!!! That's being part of the process !!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #118

Are you beginning to understand why you are failing Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #123

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #145

Our president should be president of everyone. madfloridian Jul 2015 #124

So only policies that help everyone are important? bettyellen Jul 2015 #129

Do you really find that laughable? madfloridian Jul 2015 #130

Yes- because it perpetuates inequality that's existed for hundreds of years- bettyellen Jul 2015 #141

So that's how it is? madfloridian Jul 2015 #143

It's not personal- but when people basically say there's no need to specifically address issues bettyellen Jul 2015 #144

Yes, Lawd ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #147

It's strange it needs to be said here. Really strange. bettyellen Jul 2015 #149

Really, it's not strange at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #154

"if it is good for me, it must be good for everyone!" SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #176

I completely agree! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #146

Without Income Equality - There Wil Be No - Social Equality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #126

Declared, loudly and furiously, those ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #131

Income Inequality Is The Primary Method For Enforcing Social Inequality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #133

Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #139

Again - Income Inequality Is The Primary Method For Enforcing Social Inequality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #140

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #148

What was that? bettyellen Jul 2015 #150

A "BettyEllen!" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #158

I don't agree completely. bravenak Jul 2015 #153

One Can't Fix Hearts And Minds - One Can Fix Income Inequality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #155

We can fix your income inequality. We get left out and stuck in prison. bravenak Jul 2015 #159

Totally Lost By That Post cantbeserious Jul 2015 #163

Reading is fundamental. bravenak Jul 2015 #167

Totally Lost By That Post cantbeserious Jul 2015 #168

I can tell. Requires thinking outside of youself to understand. Critical thinking and what not. bravenak Jul 2015 #169

Totally Lost By That Post cantbeserious Jul 2015 #171

I feel terribly bad for you. It's actually quite depressing to me. bravenak Jul 2015 #172

Are you a spambot malfunctioning- or just deliberately bettyellen Jul 2015 #187

Capitalism goes hand and hand with racism. AOR Jul 2015 #177

What are the social justice issues you most want to hear a candidate address? femmedem Jul 2015 #164

You hit the nail on the head. bravenak Jul 2015 #132

I understand. LWolf Jul 2015 #160

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #170

No. LWolf Jul 2015 #174

Nobody else does either. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #180

We all JOIN YOU in calling for an all-out fight against racism. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #178

I've read your post 4 times now TheFarseer Jul 2015 #181

I believe he is trying to communicate a number of concerns, not to exclude economic Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #188

thanks for the well thought out and fact based reply TheFarseer Jul 2015 #190

You're welcome. Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #192