2016 Postmortem

BlueStreak

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317. We have to go with our consciences. In Hillary's defense

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:57 AM

Jul 2015

that is exactly what our system is and has been increasingly for decades. Hillary is not the first to put political ambition and calculation over the good of the country and the value of hundreds of thousands of lives. Voting for Hillary is the same lesser-of-evils "choice" that we have every time. There are very few on the political scene who have the integrity and the guts to take principled positions.

Politicians like Obama want us to believe that there is a long game where the eventual ends justify the means of further catering to the 0.1% Maybe, but we see something completely different with Warren and Sanders.

And here is the point that we must remember always. The only reason Warren and Sanders can survive taking these positions is because the American public STRONGLY favors those positions. And I'm not talking 60/40 or even 55/45. On most of the issues, poll after poll shows support for the progressive position at 75%, 80%, sometimes even 90%.

The aristocracy may be able to keep one of their own (Hillary) in charge this time, but each passing year with such a divergence of interest between the 0.1% and the rest of us puts us that much closer to revolution. The 0.1% cannot maintain this stranglehold forever.

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When you give a 19 minute floor speech about going to war, it can not be called a mistake. [View all] madfloridian Jul 2015 OP

Let me know when to grab a fork.... TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #1

She's done madokie Jul 2015 #54

Nor should she be the President Caretha Jul 2015 #134

and my opinion, you would lose rtracey Jul 2015 #191

I'm a true blue 100% Democratic Party member madokie Jul 2015 #194

I am glad to hear that rtracey Jul 2015 #200

Let me ask you madokie Jul 2015 #202

.... Lochloosa Jul 2015 #250

her support for trade deals, outsourcing and h-1b visas, also a mistake HFRN Jul 2015 #2

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #169

Not a good day for Hillary, that's for sure. Avalux Jul 2015 #3

hard in the sense that like Eric Holder she didn't want to take an action that would roguevalley Jul 2015 #18

And yet I found it effortless to oppose it n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #50

Be fair, now. malthaussen Jul 2015 #205

Hard my ass. She had to make a hard decision? She had it easy comparied to the hundreds of rhett o rick Jul 2015 #154

+1 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #161

Reminds me of a great line from the movie Animal House 90-percent Jul 2015 #175

Right on. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #215

The ending paragraph accurately describes the dynamic at that moment jberryhill Jul 2015 #4

"This is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make" - HRC. Avalux Jul 2015 #9

Millions of us knew it was wrong. Hillary was either complicit or really, really gullible. Scuba Jul 2015 #55

complicit and ambitious. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #68

She was already planning a presidential run & had to get macho cred. Divernan Jul 2015 #139

Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner, folks. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #246

Exactly. She's either too nefarious to be president or too stupid to be president shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #77

^^^ this! peacebird Jul 2015 #101

Agreed MissDeeds Jul 2015 #187

Is there such a thing as "too nefarious to be President?" malthaussen Jul 2015 #206

^^^ hay rick Jul 2015 #79

Hillary was totally complicit. Hillary is not "gullible". delrem Jul 2015 #105

May I translate the Beltway-speak? BlueStreak Jul 2015 #158

Excellent analysis! "Hard decision" is code for hedgehog Jul 2015 #195

Maybe. But her total history indicates a simpler reason: she likes war. nt delrem Jul 2015 #280

spot on! which is why I will NEVER vote for Hilary-I will write in Bernie! if need be eom fed-up Jul 2015 #289

We have to go with our consciences. In Hillary's defense BlueStreak Jul 2015 #317

And this is probably the EASIEST decision I've ever had to make...I'm voting for Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #302

He would have gone in with/without IWR or the Biden-Lugar version of IWR. blm Jul 2015 #15

"he did not use the power wisely nor as a last resort. That, however, is on him!" bvar22 Jul 2015 #23

No shit! rbnyc Jul 2015 #224

The "it's on him" argument sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #256

She signed on for the same reason George W. Bush signed on. delrem Jul 2015 #282

Iraq. Nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq. Not a threat to the US. Autumn Jul 2015 #38

I don't believe this is accurate. Saddam Hussein WAS allowing inspections, colorado_ufo Jul 2015 #40

Your recollection is correct. erronis Jul 2015 #45

Exactly right. The inspections were working and had found nothing, Stevepol Jul 2015 #81

I wonder what would have happened if the Supreme Court hadn't been in session during Stardust Jul 2015 #157

Now for the real history Geronimoe Jul 2015 #53

there it is! rateyes Jul 2015 #320

If I remember right madokie Jul 2015 #56

But what about the aluminum tubes? Yellow cakes... peace13 Jul 2015 #264

But Saddam did allow inspections, jberry, from Nov. 27, 2002 to March 18, 2003. Mnemosyne Jul 2015 #63

nope heaven05 Jul 2015 #66

HANS BLIX SAID DON'T GO TO WAR Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #67

Yup, when she listen to Bush over Blix, we learned everything we needed to know about her. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #231

baloney. elehhhhna Jul 2015 #78

inaccurate history Rilgin Jul 2015 #83

What was the date of the IWR vote, what was the date that JoePhilly Jul 2015 #208

Did she ever hear of a guy named Hans Blix? Hoppy Jul 2015 #84

PNAC wanted war in 1997. This was what they wanted. valerief Jul 2015 #93

+1 nt rbnyc Jul 2015 #276

Everyone with two functioning brain cells knew that the Bush admin was gearing up for war. delrem Jul 2015 #103

Saddam was not allowing inspections? Really? magical thyme Jul 2015 #106

What was the date of the Iraq war vote? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #185

"Yes, it was a mistake to put that responsibility into Bush's hands.." 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #107

Bush Knew Saddamn did not have WMDs Caretha Jul 2015 #138

That's pure Bullshit!! pocoloco Jul 2015 #144

Anyone who didn't know Bushco would abuse that authority was uninformed and/or stupid Martin Eden Jul 2015 #147

Horseshit. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #160

Anyone who had read Cheney's speeches from the previous summer or HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #176

Have you noticed that many responding to you don't know JoePhilly Jul 2015 #210

Very Misleading Rilgin Jul 2015 #301

Saddam was blustering, stopping inspections, JoePhilly Jul 2015 #308

A Photo is not history Rilgin Jul 2015 #311

That flies in the face of reality. blackspade Jul 2015 #216

Because the nation was insane at the time we needed her to lead not follow MoveIt Jul 2015 #219

Hans Blix, inspected Iraq a number of times before Clinton voted for war, he said don't go to war Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #223

Could any Democrat believe what you wrote? Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #245

I don't think that's true... tonedevil Jul 2015 #258

"Saddam was not allowing inspections"? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #274

Bullshit. Hissyspit Jul 2015 #297

Turned my stomach then.... daleanime Jul 2015 #5

no more wars CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #6

I disagree with one of your premises. delrem Jul 2015 #283

Kick for the refresher... FloriTexan Jul 2015 #7

.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #12

And the junior senator from New York said: yallerdawg Jul 2015 #8

Umm, the attack on our nation had nothing to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein. Avalux Jul 2015 #11

Did you read that in a history book? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #14

Yes I watched all the speeches, they made me angry and disgusted. Avalux Jul 2015 #16

The best, most impassioned speech against it was by Sen Robert Byrd D-W.Va. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #177

yes we did. he kept al qaida out of iraq and millions of people are dead because of what you outline roguevalley Jul 2015 #20

I saw the speeches. I wasn't foolish enough to think we were safe *before* the attacks, winter is coming Jul 2015 #21

+1: She was/is a smart person with incredible connections. Of course she knew that this was a lie. erronis Jul 2015 #47

$$$war-profiteering$$$ delrem Jul 2015 #284

You know most Democrats in Congress voted against the Iraq War Resolution, right? PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #29

Most Democratic Senators voted for it. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #58

I don't. I'd never vote for Bush or Chaney. I blame them primarily PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #62

The vote. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #65

So? The people who voted for it are still responsible for it passing - all of them. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #69

So this substantial majority... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #73

Bandwagon fallacy RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #87

"Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?" PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #89

Yes, absolutely! yallerdawg Jul 2015 #114

And there it is! 99Forever Jul 2015 #120

Actually navarth Jul 2015 #207

??????? heaven05 Jul 2015 #226

So... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #132

I believe this is a bunch of fear mongering bullshit. frylock Jul 2015 #44

Democrats Share the Blame for Tragedy of Iraq War--Ignored the Evidence Against Invasion KoKo Jul 2015 #323

Oddly enough, very little of this was Hillary Clinton's "fault" tularetom Jul 2015 #94

Iraq, Lybia, and Syria, are all very much Hillary Clinton's fault. delrem Jul 2015 #146

I laughed, I cried ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #123

This one broke my heart. nt Duval Jul 2015 #277

Can you imagine if he would have Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #279

Yes. I was an adult in 2001, and I answer in the affirmative for most of your questions. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #124

Colin Powell was a lying fuck? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #133

Give it up mate... you're apologia is beyond pathetic... truebrit71 Jul 2015 #140

Yeah, Colin Powell is a lying fuck.. frylock Jul 2015 #238

Do you not remember his UN speech? Total bullshit. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #275

I hve always been a skeptic but am now a true believer. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #182

There is so much wrong with what you are saying that it's unbelievable you're saying it. marym625 Jul 2015 #190

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. hedgehog Jul 2015 #198

Look at the old archived DU, the answer is we knew all of this in real time. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #225

"wait until 2015 when the kids whose parents we blast away in our ground war grow up" madfloridian Jul 2015 #243

her vote enabled them. she has no excuse roguevalley Jul 2015 #19

The AUMF was precisely that -- AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #22

"authorization to use military force" with a large number of criteria to be met before... George II Jul 2015 #257

You have no problem with her vote? Hissyspit Jul 2015 #296

And that statement was made one month AFTER Hussein agreed to UN demands rateyes Jul 2015 #324

youtube of Hillary supporting increase of H-1b visas HFRN Jul 2015 #10

Sort of off topic here... Agschmid Jul 2015 #17

Yup OKNancy Jul 2015 #25

"use these powers wisely" aspirant Jul 2015 #13

A HUGE mistake, bvar22 Jul 2015 #26

"Trusting dumbbell Bush and Blood-thirsty Cheney, what a huge mistake." Enthusiast Jul 2015 #27

"use these powers wisely"....so Bush can invade a country that had nothing neverforget Jul 2015 #109

Isn't hindsight wonderful?? Gman Jul 2015 #24

Millions of us knew better. We knew better then. We felt it was a terrible decision at the time. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #28

we knew better Skittles Jul 2015 #141

The MAJORITY of us here successfully identified the LIES, bvar22 Jul 2015 #32

Exactly! ctsnowman Jul 2015 #186

Hindsight? 99Forever Jul 2015 #33

Everyone else who voted against the resolution had foresight. GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #34

I'm guessing you were duped as well.. frylock Jul 2015 #46

Many of us took to the streets numerous times between October 2002 and March 2003 RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #48

'hindsight'? Most Democrats in Congress had the foresight to vote against the resolution. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #70

Including this Senator: Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #110

Sen.Byrd is one of my all time Senate heroes. I forgave the "mistake" oasis Jul 2015 #183

how will you diminish the foresight of those who stood up and voted no? mike_c Jul 2015 #102

We saw it then. Weren't you here at the time? nt DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #126

Add my voice to the chorus stopwastingmymoney Jul 2015 #162

One Million slaughtered human beings, such hindsight. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #167

It's not Monday-morning quarterbacking... malthaussen Jul 2015 #211

My whole family marched against the war-we paid attention, we knew, no hindsight needed.eom fed-up Jul 2015 #290

I'm sure the men and women in the military that had their legs and arms blown off davidpdx Jul 2015 #304

When claiming to dodge sniper fire is just misspeaking Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #30

^This^ GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #35

She's "too big to fail." immoderate Jul 2015 #131

Except her campaign imploded in 2008 davidpdx Jul 2015 #305

Well, Brian Williams "misspoke". delrem Jul 2015 #285

For some politicians that is... Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #303

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #31

Thanks for refreshing some forgetful minds. 99Forever Jul 2015 #36

Everyone - please note below! George II Jul 2015 #37

Yes. How could we possibly know that the gun we gave Dubya in Act I would be fired in Act III?? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #41

Props for Chekov allusion. n/t malthaussen Jul 2015 #213

Anyone who believed Bush wasn't going to use that legislation to go to war Autumn Jul 2015 #43

Hillary was hoodwinked by Dubya's cunning wiles, faced with a smooth talker like that who wouldn't? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #104

Perhaps she had a beer with him? I was told he was that kind of guy. n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #111

He was quite the smooth talker neverforget Jul 2015 #112

There are some real gems in there. Unbelievable. Eom Stardust Jul 2015 #166

Yet he was elected TWICE. Think of that. delrem Jul 2015 #286

NOT elected twice! black box voting-Supreme Court decision-please do NOT state he was "elected" eom fed-up Jul 2015 #291

He was elected twice. delrem Jul 2015 #295

Sometimes it's best to remain silent and seem foolish ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #192

Yeah, but she was handing that power to Dubya who used it to avenge his daddy corkhead Jul 2015 #218

The person that gives their car keys to the town drunk and thinks they are blamelesss Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #227

Yeah, figured this from you. Hissyspit Jul 2015 #298

Wait! Maybe she was sleep deprived? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #39

Oh come ON. When are you going to let it go??? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #42

Jeez! Can't we just say "Whoops! Sorry about the dead people!" and move on?? n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #51

Not until we at least pay off the trillion $ + debt from the war. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #118

You're serious, aren't you? crim son Jul 2015 #57

Did you see the picture? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #61

Amen to that! marym625 Jul 2015 #49

I have never understood SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #52

Bob Graham warned his colleagues. seafan Jul 2015 #59

Seafan, I remember that post. "Did you read it" Bob Graham read it all. madfloridian Jul 2015 #64

"Clinton replied that she had been briefed, though she did not say by whom." nt antigop Jul 2015 #197

Bernie gets to stand by his decision, Hillary has to stand in it, populace living . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #60

THE most disappointing time jomin41 Jul 2015 #71

She horrifies me. zentrum Jul 2015 #72

NT ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #74

well there's always Hondu--never mind--Pakist--nuuupe--Liby--crap! Syria? MisterP Jul 2015 #75

The total lack of humanity donf Jul 2015 #247

partisan politics maximizes "passion" while minimizing promises or anything else real MisterP Jul 2015 #252

You donated to, and voted for, John Kerry in 2004, right? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #76

Biden also voted for the IWR, along with other prominent Democrats. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #85

Yes, I did. And yes, I most likely will do it again...BUT madfloridian Jul 2015 #86

I've evolved. frylock Jul 2015 #239

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #80

Of course it can. The length of the speech is completely irrelevant. She formulated her opinion pnwmom Jul 2015 #82

If you truly believe she simply made a mistake (I don't), she has appalling judgment n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #90

Her judgement was shared by John Kerry and Joe Biden. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #96

And that makes it right? Ever heard of the Bandwagon Fallacy? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #100

Intelligent people can be deceived. Ted Kennedy said he understood why they voted that way, pnwmom Jul 2015 #119

"Up till then Powell had a reputation as a trustworthy person." RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #121

Regardless of My Lai pnwmom Jul 2015 #122

There you go again. His popularity makes him trustworthy, eh? n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #125

No, he was popular because people thought him trustworthy, and he was an Independent pnwmom Jul 2015 #128

How do you know he was popular? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #129

Colin Powell was popular and trusted. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #136

You misremember. Powell was a lackey and a useful tool, some remember the infamous U.N. speech. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #142

I misremember? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #145

...don't forget the cartoon drawings that "proved" Saddam... bvar22 Jul 2015 #260

Or kneecapping Clinton about DADT sarge43 Jul 2015 #179

So that's your analysis? delrem Jul 2015 #287

What are you talking about? I'm not a mod for the HRC group. pnwmom Jul 2015 #292

Ah, OK. My mistake. delrem Jul 2015 #293

More Negative attacks on HRC,,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2015 #88

I look at it as posting her own words. madfloridian Jul 2015 #91

Bernie has asked yall to stop Cryptoad Jul 2015 #95

where has Bernie asked that DUers stop discussing issues we consider important? magical thyme Jul 2015 #108

Ive posted the links Cryptoad Jul 2015 #113

don't know where you posted the links, but my google results didn't yield much magical thyme Jul 2015 #115

Post 'em again or you have nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #127

Wait! I missed that. When did Bernie tell us we couldn't discuss the Iraq war and the votes Autumn Jul 2015 #116

Never. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #165

Actually, Bernie does know about DU. bvar22 Jul 2015 #312

Thank you for the information. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #313

You have to love the Puglover Jul 2015 #241

One of these things is a lot like the other. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #259

Purposely conflating and confusing an authorization for Presidential war powers as consent to a war is also Red State stuff. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #97

Us old guys should let our fellow Democrats sort it out in the primaries. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #99

Bam! yallerdawg Jul 2015 #137

No one could have foreseen this? latebloomer Jul 2015 #150

How is authorizing war powers not a consent for war?????? marble falls Jul 2015 #181

Anyone who knew about the PNAC knew EXACTLY what was going to happen. bunnies Jul 2015 #196

Oh, you're using the old Condoleeza Rice canard, "No one could have foreseen�" tularetom Jul 2015 #229

Not knowing history, combined with ulterior motives, twists everything. Twisted DU lately. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #232

Dude, I knew on 9/12 that Bush was going to start a war somewhere as a result of 9/11 tularetom Jul 2015 #234

Seeing so much into the future with 100% accuracy - it is too bad you were not elected President! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #235

Hillary was hoodwinked by Dubya's cunning wiles, faced with a smooth talker like that who wouldn't? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #269

Sanders and Byrd did. TM99 Jul 2015 #230

"The Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq" bvar22 Jul 2015 #255

No amnesia Freddy davidpdx Jul 2015 #306

Your crystal ball circa 2002 has amazing clarity...looks like lots of folks on the thread made a fortune in the stock market! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #309

Do you think Hillary Clinton had a crystal ball when she voted for the IWR? davidpdx Jul 2015 #310

Unlike some candidates, apparently Hillary isn't proud her Senate record. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #98

Usually it's Republicans who view their prior words as "negative attacks." Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #184

I like your Bernie avatar! delrem Jul 2015 #288

That is why we have primaries DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #92

Thanks madfloridian! MuseRider Jul 2015 #117

The Hill: Few senators ever read the NIE report. madfloridian Jul 2015 #130

Not only did they not read it but they didn't pay any attention to people who knew better... blackspade Jul 2015 #237

Kick Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #135

Bingo! Either alternative is a deal-breaker. RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #143

When the best argument is "but my candidate was too stupid to know what W was about!" delrem Jul 2015 #148

Exactly! donf Jul 2015 #244

I think TheFarseer Jul 2015 #149

Being a paranoid person that I was in 2010, here is how I viewed the IWR vote. Old and In the Way Jul 2015 #153

I remember that speech well, I believe it was after Sen Byrd's incredible historic speech. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #151

I just found a treasure by an old friend DU Sept 19, 2001. Brought tears. No longer with us. madfloridian Jul 2015 #152

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #171

Kick! SoapBox Jul 2015 #155

A whole lot of people supported that decision. davidthegnome Jul 2015 #156

What arms? Please don't tell me you believed that cock and bull story about WMDs, Sec Stardust Jul 2015 #159

We came, we saw... BeanMusical Jul 2015 #163

... sheshe2 Jul 2015 #164

Mixed feelings on this rpannier Jul 2015 #168

i believe Kerry ALSO voted yay, & he was nominated. pansypoo53219 Jul 2015 #170

And ran a godawful fall campaign that stood for nothing, and lost by three million votes. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #172

You put my reaction into words - I voted for Kerry but wasn't hedgehog Jul 2015 #201

I will never forget John Kerry, bvar22 Jul 2015 #315

This thread is remarkable. WilliamPitt Jul 2015 #173

Its torture but I guess Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #178

Yes, it's puke inducing. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #188

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #189

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #193

+1000 No kidding. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #249

could be long time trolls! eom nothing else makes sense! fed-up Jul 2015 #299

^^^What Will Said^^^. There's no place, and no way, to hide from this, and no Zorra Jul 2015 #322

I opposed the resolution but could understand the hard choice it represented Babel_17 Jul 2015 #174

Bernie still stands by his pro gun votes arely staircase Jul 2015 #180

Let me put this to you, imthevicar Jul 2015 #209

The question of gun control is very complex, not least because of Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #248

A very revealing and informative thread in so many ways. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2015 #199

Setting aside issues of chickenhawkdom and evolution malthaussen Jul 2015 #203

You have never regretted anything and called what you did a mistake? liberal N proud Jul 2015 #204

Errrr.... TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #214

The OPer is not running for the highest and most important single job in government. malthaussen Jul 2015 #217

"hundreds of billions dollars" - it's at least a trillion dollars in total costs. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #281

try about 7 trillion-including care for returning vets-won't talk about neglected infatsructure eom fed-up Jul 2015 #300

Never involving the death of millions, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #236

Creepy! yellowwoodII Jul 2015 #212

16 minutes would have been a mistake...19..OH NO! Demonaut Jul 2015 #220

Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution... malthaussen Jul 2015 #221

From Wiki: CrispyQ Jul 2015 #222

What is interesting is how few of those senators are still around davidpdx Jul 2015 #307

Hard is 4 deployments to the middle east. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #228

If I ever expressed my feelings about Hillary here I would be banned in minutes olddots Jul 2015 #233

Banned in Minutes LeFleur1 Jul 2015 #253

I don't hate Hillary at all. Puglover Jul 2015 #240

Any Democrat who trusted Bush after he STOLE THE FUCKING ELECTION Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #242

Absolutely. jalan48 Jul 2015 #271

Couldn't agree more. And the appalling thing is that a lot of us Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #319

Circular firing squad....DISMISSED! jomin41 Jul 2015 #251

I do not trust Hillary Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #254

LIKE MANY OTHER DEMOCRATS, SHE WAS STUPID... Herman4747 Jul 2015 #261

running the candidate that perfectly represents the fact that the party's becoming a gaping vacuum MisterP Jul 2015 #265

Thanks, Herman4747 SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #270

Going after Hillary with old arguments uwep Jul 2015 #262

They may be old but they are valid. peace13 Jul 2015 #266

What's a little slaughter amongst friends?... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #268

she did what was best for her at the time HFRN Jul 2015 #263

"best for her" says it all 840high Jul 2015 #272

Maybe she "MISSPOKE" Indepatriot Jul 2015 #267

It's advocacy. Aerows Jul 2015 #273

+1 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #314

You have to admit that The Bush/Cheney/CIA/Pentagon Intelligence apparatus was manipulating. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #278

It wasn't a mistake. However either way, a mistake of what she actually believed, that she could sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #316

MILLIONS of us knew the case for AUMF was lies. Millions. Indepatriot Jul 2015 #318

Sure it can. Adrahil Jul 2015 #321