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14. I'd ask the membership by way of elections and other membership input to determine that

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:04 AM

Jul 2015

...that's where action on disputes like that should take place.

Do you have a problem with the former communications union leader joining Sanders campaign? That conflict of interest is more clear. Donating to the Clinton Foundation may well be in that union's interest. Can you decide that from outside the union?

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Gadfly blog tells how AFT process supposedly worked. Makes no sense. [View all] madfloridian Jul 2015 OP

did they follow bylaws already voted and agreed on? bigtree Jul 2015 #1

My guess is yes. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #42

Ah, the union bosses make the call. Got it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #51

that's what they're elected to do bigtree Jul 2015 #55

It just sounds sleazy. SoapBox Jul 2015 #2

Bernie's major donors have been unions bigtree Jul 2015 #3

If they release the data AFTER their endorsement...that seems peculiar. madfloridian Jul 2015 #4

again, is that their standard procedure? bigtree Jul 2015 #5

Still trying to find out. I doubt it's standard procedure. madfloridian Jul 2015 #6

Endorsements are normally made by leaders of unions, chapter leaders bigtree Jul 2015 #7

Their 2007 endorsement udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #8

they're familiar enough with this candidate? bigtree Jul 2015 #9

That seems to be the case n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #11

Do you think it would be a good idea for a president of a union BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #12

I'd ask the membership by way of elections and other membership input to determine that bigtree Jul 2015 #14

Cohen is retiring BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #15

I'm not a fan of railing against unions. That shouldn't be surprising bigtree Jul 2015 #26

I don't think questioning the leadership of a union is union bashing BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #68

reports say polling among members who said the union should endorse a candidate bigtree Jul 2015 #69

That is the reason for the controversy BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #72

that's true of most polling bigtree Jul 2015 #73

The polling is what this debate is about BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #76

no poll works that way bigtree Jul 2015 #80

But this is not the impression the press release gave BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #95

you're parsing that explanation bigtree Jul 2015 #96

If I am wrong, I will be the first to apologize BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #97

In most NPOs... Chan790 Jul 2015 #81

I agree BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #94

AFT President is on the board of Hillarys Super PAC. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #27

does Sanders have any old allies in labor leadership? bigtree Jul 2015 #29

Cohen resigned his position with Union. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #54

she's one vote among 36 other members bigtree Jul 2015 #56

Not teachers' unions. They are having like the stockholm syndrome. madfloridian Jul 2015 #13

I don't see anyone calling Unions sleazy, I see the opposite. The process should be public and sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #30

second post on this thread bigtree Jul 2015 #34

Cohen retired this year and is now a VOLUNTEER for Bernie's campaign. He is free to campaign sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #36

did you even read my post? bigtree Jul 2015 #38

Influence as an individual is very different from influence with the weight of an official sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #39

what about ONE vote on a 36-member executive council don't you understand? bigtree Jul 2015 #43

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'The national union�s 36-member executive council voted overwhelmingly to support Clinton' bigtree Jul 2015 #70

You realize who we are, right? The AFT? arely staircase Jul 2015 #93

Why? BooScout Jul 2015 #23

Sanders will get the votes of many of the members of AFT. We know that already. So sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #31

It IS sleazy. 99Forever Jul 2015 #46

I'm not really surprised. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #10

Good old reliable establishment that got them where they are now...BULLSHIT they do! Ford_Prefect Jul 2015 #17

Yeah! Why not go with rock Jul 2015 #21

Actually, as a teacher, I can say without a doubt that you could not be more incorrect. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #32

Just letting you know I read your post. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #33

I didn't really get what you were saying either. You used the word 'radical' to describe what sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #37

Huge +1! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #40

The interviews are on the web site in form of the questionnaires.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #16

If they do it seems that you cannot presently get to that information on the site. Ford_Prefect Jul 2015 #19

Here is the link it still works.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #20

To the right-side of the page udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #41

The union leaders are probably 1% ers, and at least one is a Clinton operative Doctor_J Jul 2015 #18

no the union leaders are not 1% ers dsc Jul 2015 #24

AFT President makes over 1/2 million dollars year Agony Jul 2015 #25

you don't have to make millions per year to be in the 1% Doctor_J Jul 2015 #44

sort of like Jeb collecting millions before he announced his candidacy-dirty politics... fed-up Jul 2015 #22

I'm curious to see how long Randi sticks around now. I have an Exilednight Jul 2015 #28

Are you thinking Cabinet position? Sec. of Ed. maybe? Smart money says that'll be the result. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #35

That would make sense. Doctor_J Jul 2015 #45

Before a single word is spoken in debate, and before all possible candidates have declared. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #49

was it 'odd' that the Vermont NEA endorsed Sanders already? bigtree Jul 2015 #52

Yup. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #61

When you read the comments at Diane Ravitch blog, some of the more compelling ones Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #47

What this tells me is that the AFT endorsement does not mean that Hillary has those votes in the djean111 Jul 2015 #48

is that just true for Hillary? bigtree Jul 2015 #50

I am happy to see them. I hope it means Bernie will get the votes. But votes are not "bound" djean111 Jul 2015 #59

Not only not getting the union member votes... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #58

Yup. I bet an awful lot of politicians just really hate this internet thingy. Forced transparency. djean111 Jul 2015 #60

One Has To Wonder If Quid Pro Quo Is In Play cantbeserious Jul 2015 #53

so all members of the 36-seat board who voted for Hillary are corrupt? bigtree Jul 2015 #57

They rushed through an endorsement opposed by their members. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #62

she'll also get whatever gotv efforts bigtree Jul 2015 #64

Not if 90% of members are supporting her opponent. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #66

that 90% number is from where? bigtree Jul 2015 #71

Oops. zappaman Jul 2015 #74

Where does AFT 3:1 come from? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #75

Survey of AFT members on 2016 election. bigtree Jul 2015 #77

The survey no members are aware of? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #79

Sanders pollster is lying? bigtree Jul 2015 #82

Did they conduct the "poll"? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #84

Peter Hart's organization ran the poll bigtree Jul 2015 #85

Where is it stated they conducted a poll? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #86

try to keep up bigtree Jul 2015 #87

Where's the 1million members surveyed that AfT claims? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #89

you produced nothing at all to back up your nonsense about 90% opposed bigtree Jul 2015 #90

I don't wonder at all. n/t 99Forever Jul 2015 #63

Nope. It's pretty obvious. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #67

The AFT President works for a pro-Clinton Super-PAC arcane1 Jul 2015 #78

Surely. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #83

THAT's the "strangest" thing about it, LWolf Jul 2015 #88

It would definitely be awkward for this campaign employee's organization to endorse her opponent. arcane1 Jul 2015 #91

You mean the majority LWolf Jul 2015 #92