2016 Postmortem

MADem

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162. The poster has made an incorrect assertion, and won't provide proof because there isn't any.

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:09 PM

Jul 2015

Sanders has been quite vocal about keeping his independent status. He wants to thread the needle in such a way that he is sheltered under the Democratic umbrella while still maintaining his "other" status. One of his common complaints down the years--even when the Democrats have helped to fund his campaigns--is that the parties are "too alike" to suit him.

His campaign staffers have said that if there's a problem getting on the ballot in any state, he will "do whatever it takes" to get on the ballot. I take that to mean that if his arm is twisted, he'll say "OK, I want to be recognized by the state party Democratic officials as a Democrat" and hope that they give him a non-papal blessing in that regard. But he has NOT done anything of the sort yet.

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I like Sanders, really I do......BUT... [View all] BooScout Jul 2015 OP

parties are a state of mind hollysmom Jul 2015 #1

Your sincere concern is noted. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #2

Dismissive tripe Sheepshank Jul 2015 #77

Dismissive tripe is what I'd call the op. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #81

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #87

+1 Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #96

Hopefully you have noticedBernie supporters ...... Sheepshank Jul 2015 #99

A thread started by a Hillary supporter RichVRichV Jul 2015 #103

OP is an Attack? You need to get a thicker skin Sheepshank Jul 2015 #106

I count at least 7 attacks in the op. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #126

+1. Well stated. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #282

it is as much an attack as threads that Clinton supporters karynnj Jul 2015 #284

Oh I know Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #133

I'm not worried at all. George II Jul 2015 #294

Your concern is noted. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #98

You must be very concerned for Bernie...I would be too Sheepshank Jul 2015 #100

I think you need a dictionary. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #108

Your subtlety is noted. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2015 #127

As everyone keeps saying, RichVRichV Jul 2015 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2015 #256

I consider all the Dem candidates RichVRichV Jul 2015 #260

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2015 #272

Oh bull--you apparently don't know what "concern trolling" is. MADem Jul 2015 #130

Excellent post, MADem! calimary Jul 2015 #224

Thanks! MADem Jul 2015 #228

See post 258 for a rebuttal of every point. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #261

Knock it off tavalon Jul 2015 #113

I dare no I triple dog dare the Republicans to make Levi an issue. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #3

Well said! emsimon33 Jul 2015 #5

The difference is Sanders admits he is a socialist. DCBob Jul 2015 #8

They won't when they realize they are socialist. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #9

With all due respect.... BooScout Jul 2015 #10

You swear fealty to a political party and consider yourself enlightened? Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #28

Last time I checked..... BooScout Jul 2015 #52

Read the rules again. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #198

you old dawg you! BooScout Jul 2015 #208

That's a major mindset change and is not going to happen between now and election day. DCBob Jul 2015 #11

Given that they've been oblivious okasha Jul 2015 #241

Everyone I talk to gets it and most the people I talk to are conservative family members. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #247

The US Military is the largest Socialist system in the world. tecelote Jul 2015 #279

America is a socialist Democracy as it is today, when it comes right down to it madokie Jul 2015 #16

LOL.. "we the people" don't agree with you.. DCBob Jul 2015 #19

Thats assuming that we're talking about and comparing madokie Jul 2015 #22

I doubt most voters would know the difference. DCBob Jul 2015 #23

Thats not what you stated as truth though madokie Jul 2015 #26

Since we are mincing words here I thought he calls himself a "Democratic Socialist"?? DCBob Jul 2015 #37

Matters not which comes first madokie Jul 2015 #41

Are you kidding.. there is huge difference.. DCBob Jul 2015 #49

Whatever madokie Jul 2015 #54

Before lecturing others, you might TM99 Jul 2015 #110

Double talk. okasha Jul 2015 #242

I don't think people care kacekwl Jul 2015 #56

Then you are sticking your head in the sand Sheepshank Jul 2015 #78

The charts above Mnpaul Jul 2015 #168

If this terrible label is hurting him, Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #263

The New Deal: Socialism in action tavalon Jul 2015 #118

I think they're asking people to react to the word--and Frank Luntz and his "Words that work" crew MADem Jul 2015 #269

the republiCON base aren't in our camp anyway madokie Jul 2015 #276

Remember when "Progressive" was a dirty, scary word? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #46

Well shit.. "progressive" to the ignorant masses is a new Walmart down the road. DCBob Jul 2015 #61

Bernie doesn't have a few years to change internal thinking of thie US population. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #79

Who else is going to change it? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #201

Wow, I think you just proved that Republicans are old tavalon Jul 2015 #117

Down this road again Bob? 99Forever Jul 2015 #32

Sorry if the truth is difficult for you. DCBob Jul 2015 #34

In what Universe is your OPINION called truth, Bob? 99Forever Jul 2015 #38

Pluto maybe madokie Jul 2015 #44

More like Universe Hillary... 99Forever Jul 2015 #47

I'm sure they do madokie Jul 2015 #48

Not my opinion.. it's the voter's opinion. DCBob Jul 2015 #66

linking back to one of your earlier post is laughable madokie Jul 2015 #278

Here's another poll.. but you probably wont like it either. DCBob Jul 2015 #293

Whow. Thanks for this post. I do riversedge Jul 2015 #302

Most of the people with a real problem with the word "socialist"..... daleanime Jul 2015 #50

I am talking about this as an issue in the general should he somehow win the Dem nomination. DCBob Jul 2015 #67

Me too.... daleanime Jul 2015 #68

Ok, so you are saying those types wouldn't vote for Democrat regardless. DCBob Jul 2015 #70

You believe Hillary would have a stronger appeal with independents? daleanime Jul 2015 #73

Yes. Not sure what the laughing is all about... I guess you don't keep up with the polls. DCBob Jul 2015 #83

Is it the same as a month ago? daleanime Jul 2015 #89

This poll was taken June 26-28. DCBob Jul 2015 #92

And the poll from May? daleanime Jul 2015 #146

what about it?? DCBob Jul 2015 #160

Was it the same? daleanime Jul 2015 #177

I have no idea? DCBob Jul 2015 #179

Because that's what's important.... daleanime Jul 2015 #181

So you know? Not interested in playing games. DCBob Jul 2015 #183

Excuse me, I was neither rude or disrespectful.... daleanime Jul 2015 #190

Sorry, but you are not excused.. if you have something to say.. just say it. DCBob Jul 2015 #244

No problem, I'll be as patient with you as necessary.... daleanime Jul 2015 #248

WTF? DCBob Jul 2015 #249

Short version, you have my sympathies, you've proven that you need them.... daleanime Jul 2015 #251

WTFF? Sympathies? You are one confused individual. DCBob Jul 2015 #254

No, just a sympathetic one... daleanime Jul 2015 #257

Easily solved tavalon Jul 2015 #116

Some folks seem to just want it to be a problem.... daleanime Jul 2015 #178

Yup, seems they have a Levi in their closet too tavalon Jul 2015 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #197

Proposals to pay for his plans. Stevepol Jul 2015 #216

Oh thanks I was just going off the top of my head and didn't go back and listen to the last speech.. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #222

Our elected officials are aging udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #4

Carlos Danger wrote as much yesterday. Wilms Jul 2015 #6

A person I know who is a political illiterate brought up this age thing up with Bernie this evening emsimon33 Jul 2015 #7

The whole of the 'CON party attacked Jack Kennedy as too young madokie Jul 2015 #18

Political parties are a way to organize to help candidates win elections. femmedem Jul 2015 #12

I like your Carlos Danger handle much more. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #13

Huh? BooScout Jul 2015 #15

They're accusing you of being someone else since they can't handle what you're saying. Cha Jul 2015 #236

This is just sad.... BooScout Jul 2015 #240

IOW the typical MO. Now you know. I've seen it so many times it's just boring.. sorry Cha Jul 2015 #243

Thanks! BooScout Jul 2015 #246

+1 artislife Jul 2015 #60

I would challenge the "not a nagative campaigner" concept Cosmocat Jul 2015 #14

There are alot of major question marks about Sanders.. DCBob Jul 2015 #17

Lets hear these major questions that make him a risky candidate madokie Jul 2015 #20

Here are a few off the top of my head.. DCBob Jul 2015 #21

Please proceed madokie Jul 2015 #24

I know you wouldn't worry about any of these things.. DCBob Jul 2015 #33

Geeze man madokie Jul 2015 #39

Look at the screen name Depaysement Jul 2015 #53

I know madokie Jul 2015 #57

! Depaysement Jul 2015 #58

Gee, if you just switch genders artislife Jul 2015 #55

The Bronx accent will be a big plus redstateblues Jul 2015 #264

Replies and rebuttal. TM99 Jul 2015 #25

He says he's a Democratic Socialist. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #30

That's what I said. TM99 Jul 2015 #31

And your regular everyday uninformed voter is going to get that difference?? DCBob Jul 2015 #36

Yes, of course. TM99 Jul 2015 #40

yeah.. right. You forgot we live in a "Fox educated" world. DCBob Jul 2015 #51

Not a lot of Democrats TM99 Jul 2015 #75

General election issue. DCBob Jul 2015 #84

Again, so what? TM99 Jul 2015 #86

Are you interested in keeping a Democrat in the WH?? DCBob Jul 2015 #90

My only interest is in getting TM99 Jul 2015 #91

Hillary is not as liberal as Bernie but she is far more liberal than any GOPer. DCBob Jul 2015 #93

Yes, indeedy, Hillary Clinton TM99 Jul 2015 #97

So the question is do you want to go with a "number 13" liberal who will likely win the WH or.. DCBob Jul 2015 #102

Yes, I will take the risk. TM99 Jul 2015 #105

Hillary Clinton will hand this election to the worst of the worse if she is our nominee madokie Jul 2015 #275

Look at you all about party unity and SwampG8r Jul 2015 #298

Precisely! n/t BooScout Jul 2015 #42

Really don't kacekwl Jul 2015 #62

I love your speaking the truth daybranch Jul 2015 #74

"His oddball past?" Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #104

-- his extreme approach to banking reforms frylock Jul 2015 #252

I know, right? gollygee Jul 2015 #301

What is his "oddball past?" gollygee Jul 2015 #300

Guns, can his stance... NOT LOSE votes in south side KC or Chi Town!? I doubt it dearly uponit7771 Jul 2015 #268

Not at all madokie Jul 2015 #274

Guns are NOT a worry in South Side KC? Chi Town, Fifth Ward?! You KIDDING?! These are predeomantly uponit7771 Jul 2015 #288

I did not insinuate anything of the kind madokie Jul 2015 #289

More dismissiveness vs addressing the obvious that Bernies gun stance isn't going to play well were uponit7771 Jul 2015 #290

You have no idea madokie Jul 2015 #291

More condescending ad homs,indicator of a weak position on the issue of Bernies stance on guns uponit7771 Jul 2015 #292

When they have no counter to the debate.... BooScout Jul 2015 #295

Bull HERVEPA Jul 2015 #287

The answer as to why Sanders is running as a Democrat, and is quite simple. He told us he will NOT still_one Jul 2015 #27

If Sanders won, his presidency would resemble Pope Benedict Renew Deal Jul 2015 #29

Oh, okay.. frylock Jul 2015 #253

Sanders has been caucusing with Democrats sincehegot into office, he's voted with.... marble falls Jul 2015 #35

Says the person... 99Forever Jul 2015 #43

I am a US CITIZEN BooScout Jul 2015 #69

He is a true democrat, believing in the things that are consistent with rainy Jul 2015 #45

If he is a Democrat why does he still have I behind is name as a congressional member? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #170

Because the Democrats in office are the rainy Jul 2015 #280

He does not represent Democrat values on every issue. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #283

Granted, this one has a little more honey with the vinegar, but your avatar was a dead giveaway corkhead Jul 2015 #59

I have a suggestion for you. 99Forever Jul 2015 #63

You mean laugh at the fact that this person pathetically rec'd their own OP? corkhead Jul 2015 #64

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." W. Shakespeare R. P. McMurphy Jul 2015 #65

Ooooh Nice! wendylaroux Jul 2015 #164

I think he is the opposite of a DINO, a Democrat in everything but name. Howard Dean would agree, seaglass Jul 2015 #71

some republicans say the party left them an that is why they voted for Obama daybranch Jul 2015 #72

The Third Way and DLC total betrayal of Franklin Roosevelt ecomonic system? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #152

What Disturbs Me About You Is This..... global1 Jul 2015 #76

Not an attack piece at all... BooScout Jul 2015 #82

The Repugs Will Pounce On Any Dem Candidate That Makes It To The Nomination..... global1 Jul 2015 #94

LOL..... BooScout Jul 2015 #95

The Republicans have been pouncing on Hillary since at least '92. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #111

Why waste all this time with concerns over someone you don't think will win in the first place? arcane1 Jul 2015 #227

Why don't you try that again minus the personal attacks? n/t seaglass Jul 2015 #115

With the likes of Trump & Cruz Dems have a real opportunity to shave off Rep voters Sheepshank Jul 2015 #85

You understood wrong. LWolf Jul 2015 #88

Thank you. I was going to ask the same thing but you put it better than I could. historylovr Jul 2015 #122

I like Hillary, BUT... onecaliberal Jul 2015 #107

He can't win as an independent tavalon Jul 2015 #112

I too worry about how he would pay for these things rock Jul 2015 #119

You know when you see a title like this artislife Jul 2015 #120

Ageism anyone ? CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #121

"with absolutely nothing proposed on how to pay for them"... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #123

I'll keep this short retrowire Jul 2015 #124

This makes me think you don't know much about Bernie's time in Congress nor about the Democratic Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #125

PROGRESSIVE is NOT a synonym for DEMOCRATIC. MADem Jul 2015 #207

What kind of DEMOCRATIC Party do we want? Martin Eden Jul 2015 #265

"Progressive values" mean different things to different people. MADem Jul 2015 #267

A crashed economy and disastrous wars mean different things to different people, you suppose Martin Eden Jul 2015 #285

No--I think a crashed economy means the same to pretty much everyone. MADem Jul 2015 #286

It's a shame your polite opinion has been met with personal insult and invective. MADem Jul 2015 #128

Thanks.... BooScout Jul 2015 #132

I pointedo out the gaping hole in the OP's knowledge of the Party and the person, offered a whole Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #134

If the shoe does not fit you, I would encourage you to not try to cram your foot into it. MADem Jul 2015 #137

And look how your pal goes after me. Look at that. Does not respond in any way to all that I wrote Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #192

Look, I was responding to the post that STARTED THIS THREAD--if you want a fight, I MADem Jul 2015 #196

you need to calm down... BooScout Jul 2015 #203

And please share your credentials.... BooScout Jul 2015 #138

in all fairness I respect Bluenorthwest opinion, to me he's one of the good guys. William769 Jul 2015 #182

I will if he will... BooScout Jul 2015 #200

You and I agree maybe 5% of the time Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #262

So rather than respond to what I offered, you question my record? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #189

you questioned or rather condemned my own knowledge first.... BooScout Jul 2015 #199

And, who couldn't have predicted that? Cha Jul 2015 #235

No one wants to discuss even sincere concerns. MADem Jul 2015 #266

I know.. they feel so strongly about their candidate.. I would think they could be able Cha Jul 2015 #273

If You Like Sanders... aintitfunny Jul 2015 #129

He's still not actually a Democrat. William769 Jul 2015 #131

You stand corrected. 99Forever Jul 2015 #135

Show me where he is a declared Democrat, then I'll stand corrected. William769 Jul 2015 #136

Find it yourself. 99Forever Jul 2015 #139

So then you can't. Ok. William769 Jul 2015 #140

Try looking up the definitions of can't and won't. 99Forever Jul 2015 #144

Try this. William769 Jul 2015 #147

Don't care. 99Forever Jul 2015 #148

Typical. William769 Jul 2015 #150

did he mean don't care BooScout Jul 2015 #154

Yes you are. 99Forever Jul 2015 #155

So I guess you really didn't mean bu bye? William769 Jul 2015 #157

Guess I didn't. 99Forever Jul 2015 #161

Well that's obvious ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #206

Is that what happened? 99Forever Jul 2015 #210

I really wish individual posts had a LIKE button. BooScout Jul 2015 #151

It's on my website. Feel free to use it when needed. William769 Jul 2015 #156

Thanks! BooScout Jul 2015 #159

That's fantastic! nt onehandle Jul 2015 #209

lol Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #174

I think you upset someone. BooScout Jul 2015 #141

I don't. William769 Jul 2015 #142

I'm the op.... BooScout Jul 2015 #143

And you would be wrong again. 99Forever Jul 2015 #153

nah.....I'm usually correct.... BooScout Jul 2015 #158

It's don't and you aren't. 99Forever Jul 2015 #166

Does this mean you care? BooScout Jul 2015 #169

You are most certainly touched. 99Forever Jul 2015 #172

It's not nice to call names.... BooScout Jul 2015 #175

Names? 99Forever Jul 2015 #176

Rofl :) Cha Jul 2015 #239

He has said otherwise, so I am afraid YOU stand corrected. MADem Jul 2015 #145

Thank you. William769 Jul 2015 #149

The poster has made an incorrect assertion, and won't provide proof because there isn't any. MADem Jul 2015 #162

Agreed. William769 Jul 2015 #163

My point exactly n/t BooScout Jul 2015 #165

+1000000000000000000 Little Star Jul 2015 #171

Cannot dispute this. calimary Jul 2015 #223

How is he corrected? Sanders is not a Democrat but an Independent. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #180

It isn't. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #184

Lol yes it is funny to watch. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #185

Sennator Sanders is a declared candidate for the Democratic Party's.. 99Forever Jul 2015 #186

He is not a registered Democrat. Are you claiming here is? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #187

Registered where? 99Forever Jul 2015 #211

Forgive me for using logic and facts. I know it was very mean of me. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #212

Way to dodge the question. 99Forever Jul 2015 #213

Seems like you are dodging and wasting my time. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #214

Hey, if you can't or won't answer the question, just say so. 99Forever Jul 2015 #215

Sanders has made clear his whole career he was never a member of the Democratic Party. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #217

That wasn't the question. 99Forever Jul 2015 #218

Vermont does not have registration by party. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #219

No. 99Forever Jul 2015 #220

Actually it doesn't because Schunlin, Leahy, ans Walsh identify as Democrats. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #221

... 99Forever Jul 2015 #225

From your posts i didn't think you were capable of having one. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #226

.... 99Forever Jul 2015 #229

Jury results. zeemike Jul 2015 #270

Yeah. So what? Maedhros Jul 2015 #193

What matters is I am A Democrat. William769 Jul 2015 #195

The Democratic Party is a tool for getting things done. Maedhros Jul 2015 #204

It's not Bernie's tool.... BooScout Jul 2015 #281

Wow, really? Link? frylock Jul 2015 #255

II like Hillary I really do But silenttigersong Jul 2015 #167

Awwww - Anthony Weiner - AKA Carlos Danger!!!!! (that name begs for exclamation points) - beat ya to djean111 Jul 2015 #173

Has Sanders actually said he entered the race to drive the Democratic Party left? WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #188

No need to ask any more questions, Martin O'Malley has been a Democrat since birth, elleng Jul 2015 #191

"I like Bernie BUT..." always precedes nonsense. Maedhros Jul 2015 #194

Your "understanding" is false. He has been in this race to get elected, period. arcane1 Jul 2015 #202

He did us Dems a HUGE favor by not running as an Independent. PotatoChip Jul 2015 #205

I agree gwheezie Jul 2015 #234

I can't help but feel like this is a complete joke bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #230

I don't know why we rise to the bait Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #245

Yeah, I should have kept my mouth shut bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #271

remember forrest gump restorefreedom Jul 2015 #231

Youre a serious person with seriously serious concerns that seriously need to be addressed seriously Scootaloo Jul 2015 #232

And, you know, we have to make HARD choices. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #250

I think it's a legit concern for any dem running gwheezie Jul 2015 #233

That is what the primary race is for -- for him to prove he is the best candidate overall. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #237

Response by paragraph: Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #258

Well, I will answer them mvd Jul 2015 #259

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jul 2015 #277

k riversedge Jul 2015 #296

k&r Little Star Jul 2015 #297

If you don't like him running as a Democrat, you have a beef with the system as mmonk Jul 2015 #299

It's proof, imo, that he's a realist. JNelson6563 Jul 2015 #303

Democrats are hoisted on their own petard on that one. SolutionisSolidarity Jul 2015 #304

the fact that he's running a democrat it's honor taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #305