2016 Postmortem

HooptieWagon

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62. They rushed through an endorsement opposed by their members.

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:27 PM

Jul 2015

So Clinton gets 36 paid votes. Sanders gets a million plus votes and a few hundred thousand volunteers.
Once again Clinton steps in a pile and has it blow up in her face. She never learns...

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Gadfly blog tells how AFT process supposedly worked. Makes no sense. [View all] madfloridian Jul 2015 OP

did they follow bylaws already voted and agreed on? bigtree Jul 2015 #1

My guess is yes. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #42

Ah, the union bosses make the call. Got it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #51

that's what they're elected to do bigtree Jul 2015 #55

It just sounds sleazy. SoapBox Jul 2015 #2

Bernie's major donors have been unions bigtree Jul 2015 #3

If they release the data AFTER their endorsement...that seems peculiar. madfloridian Jul 2015 #4

again, is that their standard procedure? bigtree Jul 2015 #5

Still trying to find out. I doubt it's standard procedure. madfloridian Jul 2015 #6

Endorsements are normally made by leaders of unions, chapter leaders bigtree Jul 2015 #7

Their 2007 endorsement udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #8

they're familiar enough with this candidate? bigtree Jul 2015 #9

That seems to be the case n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #11

Do you think it would be a good idea for a president of a union BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #12

I'd ask the membership by way of elections and other membership input to determine that bigtree Jul 2015 #14

Cohen is retiring BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #15

I'm not a fan of railing against unions. That shouldn't be surprising bigtree Jul 2015 #26

I don't think questioning the leadership of a union is union bashing BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #68

reports say polling among members who said the union should endorse a candidate bigtree Jul 2015 #69

That is the reason for the controversy BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #72

that's true of most polling bigtree Jul 2015 #73

The polling is what this debate is about BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #76

no poll works that way bigtree Jul 2015 #80

But this is not the impression the press release gave BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #95

you're parsing that explanation bigtree Jul 2015 #96

If I am wrong, I will be the first to apologize BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #97

In most NPOs... Chan790 Jul 2015 #81

I agree BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #94

AFT President is on the board of Hillarys Super PAC. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #27

does Sanders have any old allies in labor leadership? bigtree Jul 2015 #29

Cohen resigned his position with Union. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #54

she's one vote among 36 other members bigtree Jul 2015 #56

Not teachers' unions. They are having like the stockholm syndrome. madfloridian Jul 2015 #13

I don't see anyone calling Unions sleazy, I see the opposite. The process should be public and sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #30

second post on this thread bigtree Jul 2015 #34

Cohen retired this year and is now a VOLUNTEER for Bernie's campaign. He is free to campaign sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #36

did you even read my post? bigtree Jul 2015 #38

Influence as an individual is very different from influence with the weight of an official sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #39

what about ONE vote on a 36-member executive council don't you understand? bigtree Jul 2015 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #65

'The national union�s 36-member executive council voted overwhelmingly to support Clinton' bigtree Jul 2015 #70

You realize who we are, right? The AFT? arely staircase Jul 2015 #93

Why? BooScout Jul 2015 #23

Sanders will get the votes of many of the members of AFT. We know that already. So sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #31

It IS sleazy. 99Forever Jul 2015 #46

I'm not really surprised. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #10

Good old reliable establishment that got them where they are now...BULLSHIT they do! Ford_Prefect Jul 2015 #17

Yeah! Why not go with rock Jul 2015 #21

Actually, as a teacher, I can say without a doubt that you could not be more incorrect. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #32

Just letting you know I read your post. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #33

I didn't really get what you were saying either. You used the word 'radical' to describe what sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #37

Huge +1! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #40

The interviews are on the web site in form of the questionnaires.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #16

If they do it seems that you cannot presently get to that information on the site. Ford_Prefect Jul 2015 #19

Here is the link it still works.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #20

To the right-side of the page udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #41

The union leaders are probably 1% ers, and at least one is a Clinton operative Doctor_J Jul 2015 #18

no the union leaders are not 1% ers dsc Jul 2015 #24

AFT President makes over 1/2 million dollars year Agony Jul 2015 #25

you don't have to make millions per year to be in the 1% Doctor_J Jul 2015 #44

sort of like Jeb collecting millions before he announced his candidacy-dirty politics... fed-up Jul 2015 #22

I'm curious to see how long Randi sticks around now. I have an Exilednight Jul 2015 #28

Are you thinking Cabinet position? Sec. of Ed. maybe? Smart money says that'll be the result. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #35

That would make sense. Doctor_J Jul 2015 #45

Before a single word is spoken in debate, and before all possible candidates have declared. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #49

was it 'odd' that the Vermont NEA endorsed Sanders already? bigtree Jul 2015 #52

Yup. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #61

When you read the comments at Diane Ravitch blog, some of the more compelling ones Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #47

What this tells me is that the AFT endorsement does not mean that Hillary has those votes in the djean111 Jul 2015 #48

is that just true for Hillary? bigtree Jul 2015 #50

I am happy to see them. I hope it means Bernie will get the votes. But votes are not "bound" djean111 Jul 2015 #59

Not only not getting the union member votes... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #58

Yup. I bet an awful lot of politicians just really hate this internet thingy. Forced transparency. djean111 Jul 2015 #60

One Has To Wonder If Quid Pro Quo Is In Play cantbeserious Jul 2015 #53

so all members of the 36-seat board who voted for Hillary are corrupt? bigtree Jul 2015 #57

They rushed through an endorsement opposed by their members. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #62

she'll also get whatever gotv efforts bigtree Jul 2015 #64

Not if 90% of members are supporting her opponent. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #66

that 90% number is from where? bigtree Jul 2015 #71

Oops. zappaman Jul 2015 #74

Where does AFT 3:1 come from? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #75

Survey of AFT members on 2016 election. bigtree Jul 2015 #77

The survey no members are aware of? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #79

Sanders pollster is lying? bigtree Jul 2015 #82

Did they conduct the "poll"? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #84

Peter Hart's organization ran the poll bigtree Jul 2015 #85

Where is it stated they conducted a poll? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #86

try to keep up bigtree Jul 2015 #87

Where's the 1million members surveyed that AfT claims? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #89

you produced nothing at all to back up your nonsense about 90% opposed bigtree Jul 2015 #90

I don't wonder at all. n/t 99Forever Jul 2015 #63

Nope. It's pretty obvious. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #67

The AFT President works for a pro-Clinton Super-PAC arcane1 Jul 2015 #78

Surely. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #83

THAT's the "strangest" thing about it, LWolf Jul 2015 #88

It would definitely be awkward for this campaign employee's organization to endorse her opponent. arcane1 Jul 2015 #91

You mean the majority LWolf Jul 2015 #92