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131. Two Pinocchios. "Bernie Sanders’s misleading characterization of a controversial gun law"

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Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:52 PM

Jul 2015

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Bernie Sanders’s misleading characterization of a controversial gun law [View all] DanTex Jul 2015 OP

Have you any evidence that Bernie was paid off for this? rogerashton Jul 2015 #1

Umm, no. Where did I imply that? DanTex Jul 2015 #3

You can't single Bernie out for his vote and then say the result was from corruption bluedigger Jul 2015 #13

your words, did not imply Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #16

Yes, the passage of the law was a case of corruption: an industry with powerful lobbyists DanTex Jul 2015 #19

too bad that is not what you said Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #20

Yes, that is what I said. Sorry you were confused, but I'm glad you now understand. DanTex Jul 2015 #23

I don't think you can sue most manufactures when a product is misused Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #2

Of course you can. If you couldn't, then the gun industry wouldn't have needed a special DanTex Jul 2015 #4

If he killed him with a hammer, would you support suing stanley? Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #6

I would support his right to sue Stanley (which he has). DanTex Jul 2015 #9

i could really use ablamj Jul 2015 #15

He has the right to sue, but will lose. Why do you want victims to lose lots of money? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #51

LOL. Really? You're trying to claim that forbidding victims from suing is for the victims' own good? DanTex Jul 2015 #55

Look at the theory in your own article. It doesn't begin to hold up. jeff47 Jul 2015 #58

Yeah, that's for the courts to decide. Your opinion on whether the lawsuits would have DanTex Jul 2015 #61

You have a brain. You don't need to be a lawyer to see these lawsuits won't win. jeff47 Jul 2015 #64

Actually, yes, you do need to be a lawyer. DanTex Jul 2015 #67

So the answer is yes, you hate not-Clinton so much you want grieving families to suffer more jeff47 Jul 2015 #70

And I guess you hate Bernie supporters so much that you want them to throw away even more money DanTex Jul 2015 #72

And there's the meat of your position. Clinton is to be coronated, and anything that hinders that jeff47 Jul 2015 #76

Actually I was illustrating the absurdity of your argument by analogy. DanTex Jul 2015 #77

LOL. You know, if you're so concerned about people using their own money for hopeless causes, DanTex Jul 2015 #69

Did you forget to change accounts or something? jeff47 Jul 2015 #71

No, I just thought of another thing, so I posted it. I didn't realize that in addition to DanTex Jul 2015 #73

Which is why you adopted a different persona. jeff47 Jul 2015 #74

Well that's an interesting attempt to dodge the question. When cornered, attack! LOL. DanTex Jul 2015 #75

The parents of Jessica Ghalwi tried to sue Bushmaster and lost... Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #99

Not all lawsuits succeed. That's not a reason to take away access to the courts. DanTex Jul 2015 #100

No right, including the right to the court, is absolute. beevul Jul 2015 #104

Read my other reply artislife Jul 2015 #110

Which one? N/T beevul Jul 2015 #111

This one...sorry I thought it was under the same post artislife Jul 2015 #112

Thats not really an answer. beevul Jul 2015 #113

I do believe there are controls, of course artislife Jul 2015 #114

Actually... beevul Jul 2015 #115

This is why I am confused artislife Jul 2015 #116

The word, is 'absolutist'. beevul Jul 2015 #117

Thanks and yes...the shoe does fit on the other foot....nt artislife Jul 2015 #118

Victims? I think you're speaking more for the 'advocates and cities', myself. beevul Jul 2015 #120

As soon as armies give up guns for hammers and baseball bats, I would. An NRA false equivalency meme . Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #17

In many product defect cases a manufacturors may be held liable for foreseeable Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #29

Before the Charleston massacre, how many were "upfront" about removing the Con. Flag? Are all the folks Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #39

look at the safety warnings in a owners manual Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #40

Which is exactly why they don't need or deserve special legal immunity. DanTex Jul 2015 #44

SLAPP suits Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #46

We need more than just warnings though. I am a realist, we have too many guns in America Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #78

As with the cars Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #79

Do you think our gun laws are fine like they are? Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #86

I have stated my positions many times but here are some Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #87

Sanders needs the rural Vermont vote....simple as that. Bernie is a politician, not a martyr! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #5

Exactly. The weird thing is that people refuse to see that, and instead are twisting themselves DanTex Jul 2015 #7

What? marym625 Jul 2015 #8

Clinton does not "endorse" superpacs either, but not playing by the forced rules of CU means you are Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #11

He knows he will not win the presidential election. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #21

Please explain to me how this issue helps or hurts a gun owner in anyway. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #53

There was a coordinated campaign to drive manufacturers out of business through law suits hack89 Jul 2015 #84

I didn't say that marym625 Jul 2015 #22

Bernie is not bought and paid for by anyone, neither are the "other candidates running". Not Democrats. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #28

Yes. you're right. I did say that. and I was wrong. She's not endorsing marym625 Jul 2015 #47

I'm accusing him of voting for a corporate giveaway to an industry with a powerful lobby. DanTex Jul 2015 #12

A lobby that has giving him a F rating marym625 Jul 2015 #24

I never accused him of being bought. I simply said that the gun industry wouldn't have gotten DanTex Jul 2015 #25

Oh come on Dan. marym625 Jul 2015 #27

I'm not implying that he was bought. I don't think he was bought. Can I make it any clearer? DanTex Jul 2015 #30

OK, let's pretend you're not implying that. marym625 Jul 2015 #45

It's not pretending. I know exactly what I'm saying, and what I mean to say. Because I'm me. DanTex Jul 2015 #54

I agree with you about the law. marym625 Jul 2015 #62

Fair enough. DanTex Jul 2015 #66

There are many Sanders supporters that have said what I said. marym625 Jul 2015 #82

No one accused Sanders of being bought by anyone, no one on DU, trolls exempted, would. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #33

No kidding. I thought the OP was pretty clear. No idea where "Bernie was paid off" came from. DanTex Jul 2015 #38

I pointed out that your word "corrupt" means just that, rogerashton Jul 2015 #83

Your last statement is correct marym625 Jul 2015 #52

A seriously discordant note. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #10

Sorry, it is a problem for many of his supporters marym625 Jul 2015 #26

I understand how enraged and frustrated you are about how the real criminals got away with it. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #36

I'm not taking any rage out on anyone but those responsible. marym625 Jul 2015 #50

I am really sorry that you equate supporting Hillary... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #56

That's not what you said marym625 Jul 2015 #63

I don't blame Hillary for Bush's war. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #68

Interesting Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #14

they build huge gun stores on the boarders of places with strict gun control dsc Jul 2015 #59

So you are talking about the gun stores, not the manufacturers? TeddyR Jul 2015 #81

Oh please dsc Jul 2015 #92

Gun makers cannot build gun stores hack89 Jul 2015 #85

right dsc Jul 2015 #90

People separate from the manufacturers buy and sell guns hack89 Jul 2015 #94

right dsc Jul 2015 #102

If the gun store was breaking the law then the store could be sued hack89 Jul 2015 #103

This is like suing the bartender artislife Jul 2015 #106

"There should be controls on what kind of guns can be sold" beevul Jul 2015 #107

Just making sure my opinion is noted artislife Jul 2015 #109

actually if Miller sold keg after keg after keg dsc Jul 2015 #108

At least one of Senator Sanders's votes Thespian2 Jul 2015 #18

You're selling out your own integrity Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #31

Right, because "integrity" requires buying Bernie's nonsensical "baseball bat" excuse for voting for DanTex Jul 2015 #32

The "baseball bat and gun" quote is.....remarkably NRA-like...I can hardly believe it. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #34

So just ask him his current position as a candidate for POTUS representing ALL states Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #35

The reason this came up is because he has stood by that vote and defended it. DanTex Jul 2015 #37

As a Senator in a small remote hunting state Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #41

If he simply said "that vote was a mistake" then this would go away. DanTex Jul 2015 #43

This issue is drawing my D neighbor across the street that hates gun control Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #49

Fair enough. And I agree that no candidate will meet my issues 100% either. DanTex Jul 2015 #57

Clinton is NOT defending her authorization for war vote..maybe Sanders could take note. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #42

Except she is. jeff47 Jul 2015 #60

So the people behind the SLAPP campaign no longer want to call it a SLAPP campaign. jeff47 Jul 2015 #48

Mischaracterization HassleCat Jul 2015 #65

Remington has been sued repeatedly and successfully for unsafe trigger mechanisms friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #80

There has been the constant mis representation Sheepshank Jul 2015 #88

So no one knew guns could kill? hack89 Jul 2015 #89

Gun mfg calluded with NRAand lobbyists to lie that good people need Sheepshank Jul 2015 #91

Good luck with that in a court of law. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #95

How could one use that when Bernie has helped their cause Sheepshank Jul 2015 #96

Bernie is a smart man. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #97

Not in this case Sheepshank Jul 2015 #98

"that guns were about to be banned" Nobody wants to ban guns? beevul Jul 2015 #105

I haven't seen one policy attempt made in the last few presidencies to ban guns Sheepshank Jul 2015 #119

Who said anything about ALL of them? N/T beevul Jul 2015 #121

Masses respond to,what they perceive as credible threats Sheepshank Jul 2015 #122

Again, "total ban"? beevul Jul 2015 #123

Again..who is calling for a total ban? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #125

Who was talking about a total ban in the first place? beevul Jul 2015 #127

The proposed AWB post Sandy Hook? Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #124

Total ban? I don't recall that. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #126

No one is that stupid. All proposed bans are partial bans like AWBs hack89 Jul 2015 #128

Its that 'As long as they aren't ALL banned...' theory. beevul Jul 2015 #129

So now Bernie is corrupt. What a steaming pile of dog shit this post is. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #93

How many lawsuits are for a guns design ? keep diggin . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #101

In order to make the claim of curruption you have to close the loop on quid pro quo. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #130

Two Pinocchios. "Bernie Sanders’s misleading characterization of a controversial gun law" Cha Jul 2015 #131