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SunSeeker

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141. So it's "belligerent" to point out you cited the Daily Caller?

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:48 PM

Jul 2015

Why would you link to the Daily Caller, a hideous right wing rag, and give it the advertiser money generating clicks? Only the Daily Caller has quoted Bernie's book? Nope. Is the Daily Caller a trusted source? Nope. Surely others besides the Daily Caller have cited Bernie's book and discussed this issue.

But I see your real problem is you can't explain what "conviction" Bernie is sticking to with regard to his vote against the Brady Bill, and now you must exit the conversation.

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Sanders: I�m not a liberal. Never have been [View all] oberliner Jul 2015 OP

Sanders brings clarity to politics, including the difference between "liberal" and "progressive" leveymg Jul 2015 #1

Bernie is right. The liberal establishment became the neo-liberal establishment. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #96

And the corporate PTB have been trying to coopt "progressive" as well... cascadiance Jul 2015 #185

Bernie goes beyond Nite Owl Jul 2015 #106

Except he specifically makes a point of labeling himself a progressive and not a liberal oberliner Jul 2015 #145

They only mean something because of what liberal/neo-liberal/DLC/Third Way has done to sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #153

Limousine Liberals And Corporations Have Become The Bane Of The Democratic Party cantbeserious Jul 2015 #2

Limousine Liberals? haikugal Jul 2015 #17

Do Your Research - The Term Represents Very Large Democratic Donors Without The Best Intentions cantbeserious Jul 2015 #21

So it doesn't trickle down...to liberals? nt haikugal Jul 2015 #25

Don't lose sleep over it DFW Jul 2015 #47

Exactly! mountain grammy Jul 2015 #61

Thanks mountain Grammy... haikugal Jul 2015 #85

I'm just not in gear for this... haikugal Jul 2015 #84

It's a Republican trope... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #93

Neither can we...we're lucky though because we have several haikugal Jul 2015 #99

"Limousine Liberal" is a Republican trope DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #91

Thank you, we hear this shit around here often - good, if we can recognize it here, we can randys1 Jul 2015 #183

I offer a reference point DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #125

How rush Limbaugh of you! Limousine Liberals is a republican meme and it is rather telling you hrmjustin Jul 2015 #103

It is an ancient bit of spin and out of the modern argot kenfrequed Jul 2015 #164

They all know what it means. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #166

Most Republicans wouldn't use it these days kenfrequed Jul 2015 #167

I hear it used. The point is it is a gop meme and it was telling this poster used it. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #169

Well... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #171

I live in NYC. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #173

And... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #177

Bye. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #178

I have never heard this distinction before however... gordianot Jul 2015 #3

"...liberal?" "I prefer Progressive"... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #4

The DLC co-opted the term. Wilms Jul 2015 #5

Yup. n/t progressoid Jul 2015 #9

If Socialist turns out to be popular, they'll take that too. Sort of like the Federalist Society yurbud Jul 2015 #181

same here! Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #18

His hero is Eugene Debs, a socialist who ran for Prez during the "Progressive Era" (1890 - 1920) virtualobserver Jul 2015 #48

Fine with me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #6

^This!^ SoapBox Jul 2015 #10

In other words, he's prioritizing economic issues over social issues. DanTex Jul 2015 #7

How is focusing on working people zentrum Jul 2015 #16

yes, they are inextricably intertwined Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #19

Racism/Sexism/Homophobia etc is not solved with a fat wallet. boston bean Jul 2015 #27

I might agree with you if safeinOhio Jul 2015 #33

Silly! War = jobs. L0oniX Jul 2015 #41

It's the go-to smear when there's nothing else. And it has zero facts to back it up n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #80

His voting record on social issues is impeccable (except guns, but that's another conversation). DanTex Jul 2015 #128

And thus far the ones who push social issues over TM99 Jul 2015 #152

Exactly so n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #136

And no one without a Hillary avatar has ever made the claim that they are Scootaloo Jul 2015 #35

Uh, yeah they do in supporting Bernie by stating that boston bean Jul 2015 #39

Lets just go with his voting record. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #53

Let's go with what he has said. Those votes don't mean boston bean Jul 2015 #56

At least he was never a safeinOhio Jul 2015 #76

LOL, that's always a good retort when you got nothing else. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #82

Thank you, that is safeinOhio Jul 2015 #101

Bernie has called issues of black social justice collectively Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #138

Oh my gods kenfrequed Jul 2015 #176

I have your editorialized interpretation, but no direct quotes. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #70

"Camp Windsock" - Ohmigod. Love it! kath Jul 2015 #75

I don't know if I did or not Scootaloo Jul 2015 #77

Camp Windsock hootinholler Jul 2015 #158

Bernie is a socialist heaven05 Jul 2015 #81

You say "Bernie is a socialist race is way down on their priority list"... AOR Jul 2015 #117

laughable? heaven05 Jul 2015 #133

Again, institutionalized racism... AOR Jul 2015 #147

that's saying something heaven05 Jul 2015 #175

Nice post heavens... AOR Jul 2015 #206

"The Left" hasn't had any realy power in like 40 years kenfrequed Jul 2015 #182

not really heaven05 Jul 2015 #196

"We'll have one that will be able to quiet the noise and effectively represent ALL people on ALL Number23 Jul 2015 #150

I guess I should have said heaven05 Jul 2015 #159

Damnation! Number23 Jul 2015 #208

I got your candidate right here randys1 Jul 2015 #188

boston bean, Bernie began fighting for civil rights back in the 1960s. senz Jul 2015 #121

SOS heaven05 Jul 2015 #137

I think its time is finally coming, heaven05. I don't know what Bernie has done "lately" on that senz Jul 2015 #154

and I truly hope heaven05 Jul 2015 #157

Well, if it's any consolation, your "distant hope" of 50+ years is the same hope senz Jul 2015 #179

He never said they were AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #55

Read the OP. boston bean Jul 2015 #57

Your interpretation of what he said is crap AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #62

Ah, nope... I created no strawman. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #64

Where did you read Bernie feels we have overcome racism because a black president was elected? Enthusiast Jul 2015 #66

Here you go: boston bean Jul 2015 #72

The country overcame racism to elect Obama. That is a fact. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #87

No that is not what he said, you are moving around sentence parts boston bean Jul 2015 #95

We both know what Bernie meant. I have repeated his actual meaning. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #102

I don't need to twist myself into knots in trying to read the simple statement. boston bean Jul 2015 #105

Nah, you're just willfully misinterpreting what he said. TiberiusB Jul 2015 #146

We fight against Racism/Sexism/Homophobia... AOR Jul 2015 #110

It is not I who focuses on one more than the other. boston bean Jul 2015 #111

I'm not really talking about Hillary vs Bernie... AOR Jul 2015 #120

And.... boston bean Jul 2015 #126

This is what Sanders is saying Boston Bean... AOR Jul 2015 #130

Bernie's an intelligent man. He would never say, senz Jul 2015 #123

Sanders thinks racism is over? Hmmm, interesting...completely false, but interesting... TiberiusB Jul 2015 #132

Bernie would never say ... zentrum Jul 2015 #135

False choice fallacy kenfrequed Jul 2015 #170

Actually, it is. Fawke Em Jul 2015 #184

What would disappoint them? Demit Jul 2015 #29

People who are making no attempt to understand that most people of color uponit7771 Jul 2015 #67

The ones who aren't part of the 48 million Americans living in poverty need to stop playing victim. ClassWarriorKY Jul 2015 #73

Now that's BS nt heaven05 Jul 2015 #86

Complete bullshit, but some folks cant see that, and they may sincerely believe what randys1 Jul 2015 #189

If you're going for a strength in numbers argument then you should be worried bettyellen Jul 2015 #88

This is false on its face uponit7771 Jul 2015 #148

the post I replied to said "people who value social issues" would be disappointed. Demit Jul 2015 #118

Except he isn't AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #51

Of course he is, and denying that might make you feel better here at DU but it sure as HELL randys1 Jul 2015 #190

It isn't an either/or proposition AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #193

Good. There are 48 million people in this country living in poverty. ClassWarriorKY Jul 2015 #68

If a person is disallowed legal protections due to sexual orientation, they don't get to "play uppityperson Jul 2015 #74

Economic issues didn't take a backseat because of those court battles. ClassWarriorKY Jul 2015 #78

Who is saying economics should take a "backseat to their pet issues"? uppityperson Jul 2015 #83

Pet issues? Wow, like denying civil rights or murdering Black kids for jaywalking? randys1 Jul 2015 #191

please, leave MLK out of your heaven05 Jul 2015 #192

If you had a dollar for each time a white person (assume that poster is white) misuses randys1 Jul 2015 #199

hah!!! heaven05 Jul 2015 #203

Amen!! uponit7771 Jul 2015 #71

Do you have any evidence to back up your terrible accusation? rhett o rick Jul 2015 #134

Umm, yeah, the whole article, starting with "I'm not a liberal". DanTex Jul 2015 #187

"The whole article" isn't very specific. "I'm not a liberal" doesn't mean a thing rhett o rick Jul 2015 #198

It's a question of priorities, not a question of stances. DanTex Jul 2015 #201

In 2007 HRC said she preferred being called a progressive than a liberal. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #204

I call bullshit. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #165

Missing the point, AGAIN. Do you want Bernie in the WH in 2 yrs, yes or no? randys1 Jul 2015 #195

Uhm... right kenfrequed Jul 2015 #200

"I�m not a liberal." BumRushDaShow Jul 2015 #8

I think that was flamingdem Jul 2015 #12

He fits the definition Mnpaul Jul 2015 #49

^^^ THIS. MH1 Jul 2015 #14

Now watch what you say.... Marty McGraw Jul 2015 #65

In 2007 HRC said she preferred being called a progressive than a liberal. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #202

Do you see a "Hillary" avatar or signature in my profile? BumRushDaShow Jul 2015 #205

Apparently I misunderstood your comment. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #207

Whatever. I'm a liberal, progressive, environmentalist, non-interventionist, anarchist, etc. cheapdate Jul 2015 #11

Indeed-- same here. I would like to hear Sanders' definition of what a liberal is. Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #23

Well, one thing I've found is that among my leftist friends cheapdate Jul 2015 #108

yes, thanks Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #131

Bernie's votes against the Brady Bill and for the PLCAA were certainly not liberal nor progressive. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #13

then there is this safeinOhio Jul 2015 #37

Bernie has a D- rating with the NRA. A passing grade, no? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #109

Sanders voted against the Brady bill and voted to deny Amerians the right to suit gun manufaturers. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #127

LOL! I can't think of a word that describes Sanders less than "pandering." Demit Jul 2015 #38

What "conviction" would lead you to vote against the Brady Bill? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #116

Well, I didn't know either so I looked it up for you. Demit Jul 2015 #119

Seriously, you're linking to Daily Caller? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #124

If there's wrong information in those sources, please correct me. Demit Jul 2015 #140

So it's "belligerent" to point out you cited the Daily Caller? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #141

No, it's because you are becoming increasingly unpleasant. Demit Jul 2015 #142

This is the Primaries forum, not the Bernie Sanders Group. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #143

No, he's not a liberal. He's a democratic socialist. To the left of liberals. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #15

Ok, so I have to redefine everything now? haikugal Jul 2015 #22

He's never been a Democrat either..... BooScout Jul 2015 #20

Clinton would never do that, right? haikugal Jul 2015 #24

Right, like carpetbagging. A means to an end. thesquanderer Jul 2015 #54

Actually, he gave his reasons jeff47 Jul 2015 #160

Right. Like I said, a means to an end. It's not a criticism. (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2015 #162

Yes he is. Just of a different era. Dawgs Jul 2015 #26

No he isn't.... BooScout Jul 2015 #32

That's a feature, not a bug. Maedhros Jul 2015 #90

If they are so impotent then why..... BooScout Jul 2015 #122

Simple. We have a flawed system. Dawgs Jul 2015 #156

Very true... I'm sorry, but Democrats don't leave social justice out of the equation. boston bean Jul 2015 #28

I don't think Bernie leaves it out either. nt haikugal Jul 2015 #89

He tells you his focus. Are you calling Bernie a liar? nt boston bean Jul 2015 #92

I have a difference of opinion... haikugal Jul 2015 #98

That is not what Bernie Sanders is saying. boston bean Jul 2015 #100

If he is looking at things from a class perspective he certainly is in agreement with me... haikugal Jul 2015 #104

Even if true, look at his motives, please. Do you see a man who wants to gain power randys1 Jul 2015 #197

Excellent Response Bernie, unfortunately Media Robots never understood the term "Liberal". 2banon Jul 2015 #30

That quote epitomizes Sanders, the career politician. Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #31

Yup, and like any politician, he knows how to pick his battles. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #112

Good post. Very informative. Thanks. Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #113

Won't matter to some, though shenmue Jul 2015 #151

Whatever he calls himself, his views mostly align with mine neverforget Jul 2015 #34

Because labels are everything... L0oniX Jul 2015 #36

Bernie has labeled himself. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #42

You just made my point. Thanks for playing. L0oniX Jul 2015 #44

Ok, your point was what, again? nt boston bean Jul 2015 #46

Let him label himself a Obama Care hater.... See how that makes no difference uponit7771 Jul 2015 #69

Of course. Everyone who wants single payer is an Obama care hater. L0oniX Jul 2015 #163

Red herring, no one is talking about single payer, labels DO matter ... call yourself... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #168

You brought up Obama Care. Bernie is for universal health care. L0oniX Jul 2015 #172

Count me in................... turbinetree Jul 2015 #40

I think Sanders thinks of "liberals" in the sense Phil Ochs did JenniferJuniper Jul 2015 #43

I think he thinks of "liberals" in the sense artislife Jul 2015 #59

"I really don't care what he calls himself, I call him a godsend." kath Jul 2015 #79

Here is what I call him, Anti-Fascist. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #45

Agree! Little Star Jul 2015 #63

He should run on that! Anti-fascism is HUGH right now. n/t Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #114

Fine...if you're running to be leader of the too cool for school club BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #50

I am a life long liberal and Democrat which focus on the working and middle class. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #52

That explains his stand on guns...it's not supposed to be liberal. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #58

He sure votes like one.. DCBob Jul 2015 #60

The terms "liberal" and "progressive" LWolf Jul 2015 #94

Good. IMO, "Liberal" is no longer enough demwing Jul 2015 #97

Progressive populist sounds like the best description yet DFW Jul 2015 #107

He'd better have greater appeal than that, or this will be a fast flameout. Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #115

Thanks for your concern demwing Jul 2015 #149

My pleasure. Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #155

Kick & Recommended. William769 Jul 2015 #129

liberals under the Sanders campaign bus bigtree Jul 2015 #139

I don't think so. LWolf Jul 2015 #180

Nope he's made an academic distinction I make often nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #194

In the words of Carlin, leave symbols to the symbol minded. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #144

You're doing it wrong, Bernie whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #161

he means "liberal" in the narrower sense that the rest of the world uses it not anyone to left of yurbud Jul 2015 #174

Bernie should emphasize "populist"... That term would be very hard for corporatists to try to steal cascadiance Jul 2015 #186