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frazzled

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116. I think it's (semi) relevant in a related way
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

This is not about changing or evolving on policy positions. Everybody does that. These early writings (and they're not the musings of a youth--he was in his thirties) could be used to question character and judgment, not positions. Orgone boxes and belief in an orgasm-cancer relationship were not even close to being mainstream ideas in the early 70s. The ideas of Wilhelm Reich (which date back to the 1930s) were pretty fringe back then, resuscitated for purposes of satire. We probably all remember the orgone box in Woody Allen's Sleeper, but fewer probably remember the Reichian satire in Dušan Makavejev's WR: Mysteries of the Organism. (I remember it well!) For Sanders to have taken any of this seriously at that time suggests someone a little too serious and a little too gullible.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it would be accurate or fair. I'm saying it could be used to raise questions about judgment. So all the attempts to draw parallels to other politicians changing positions over the years are not the point. The point is, enough of us boomers were around in the early 1970s to remember some of these wacky ideas, and some may remember that while they laughed at them, Bernie was taking them seriously. And they may wonder.

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Yeah, this meme got old Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #1
Might help. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #3
So, you got nothin'. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #89
I can't say that Aerows Jul 2015 #97
I've been trying to stay out of these threads Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #104
I would look at that and thank the person for helping me out. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #108
We should just post Hillary's "Marriage Is A Sacred Bond Between A Man And A Woman" video Doctor_J Jul 2015 #83
Sounds like a plan. kath Jul 2015 #96
TOUCHE! nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #99
But Sanders wrote a weird article in the 60's, so it's even. arcane1 Jul 2015 #102
Already done all of that BainsBane Jul 2015 #130
Said BB without a trace of irony in a thread reposting a Sanders meme from the previous day. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #131
I don't have access to the MRA database of "Scientific Research." nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #2
Me neither.. boston bean Jul 2015 #4
I think you have to have lived through that time. raging moderate Jul 2015 #5
and??? That has what to do with orgasms and their effect on cervical cancer? boston bean Jul 2015 #6
Sorry, I can't recall exactly which study said this. raging moderate Jul 2015 #10
And that has nothing to do with cervical cancer. boston bean Jul 2015 #12
"sexual liberation would hold the key to health" has nothing to do with cervical cancer because...? ieoeja Jul 2015 #80
think those were the times they had ciggies' designed/marketed for liberated woman. 'cancer sticks' Sunlei Jul 2015 #68
sure. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #7
Is that the actual study? That is what I am looking for. boston bean Jul 2015 #9
Good luck in your search. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #11
Because if there is a study, you'll have a new found respect for Bernie? nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #100
I respect Bernie. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #101
One source linked it Psychosomatic Medical Journal, Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #103
She's just asking questions Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #42
series? Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #48
no'rly Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #49
It's hugh n/t Aerows Jul 2015 #95
Ah. I see you took a lesson from my hide yesterday.. frylock Jul 2015 #70
Jury Results Gore1FL Jul 2015 #73
wow, this is one touchy forum. Reminds of back in 2008 when we Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #133
You are very good at staying on message artislife Jul 2015 #8
the publication it was in restorefreedom Jul 2015 #13
I'm told it's this one MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #14
1954?? wow! boston bean Jul 2015 #15
So, when the existence of a study is proven, that's not enough either. We merely pivot. merrily Jul 2015 #17
Well, is it really a pivot? boston bean Jul 2015 #18
Yep, it is. Your original point was the existence of the study. merrily Jul 2015 #19
No, it wasn't regarding the existence of the study. I saw there was one. boston bean Jul 2015 #21
You realldfy want to read it? You can, if you make some effort. A good librarian can probably get merrily Jul 2015 #23
You prove that it was first. boston bean Jul 2015 #24
LOL! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #26
Umm, I asked for the article. I got a pay wall. boston bean Jul 2015 #28
LOL! nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #30
You get what you pay for. You want to read it pay for it. Autumn Jul 2015 #37
It's posted for free, see #36. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #43
Blue is such a nice color manny Autumn Jul 2015 #45
Uhm... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #75
You just vote for the ones who fund it, eh? nt boston bean Jul 2015 #77
Fund what??? kenfrequed Jul 2015 #81
WARS, kenfrequed. You have no issue with voting for those who fund WARS. boston bean Jul 2015 #98
"Voting for those who fund WARS" Aerows Jul 2015 #105
I suggest you read this article: boston bean Jul 2015 #110
Keep flinging shit. Someday, some of it might stick. arcane1 Jul 2015 #106
Yeah... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #109
Knocked it Aerows Jul 2015 #113
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #117
Here's the complete article cyberswede Jul 2015 #36
And there it is. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #38
Niether of those links are working. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #47
Try this cyberswede Jul 2015 #52
that link worked, but I can't read the words written.. boston bean Jul 2015 #53
Checkmate! Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #60
could you read it? boston bean Jul 2015 #61
There should be a download button at the top of the page cyberswede Jul 2015 #123
Check your downloads for a pdf Gore1FL Jul 2015 #72
seriously? restorefreedom Jul 2015 #57
Yeah, there was that time when this world was more overtly misogynistic boston bean Jul 2015 #65
You say you didn't read the study or article, but you know what he "felt "? arcane1 Jul 2015 #82
Well, I did read Bernies article. It was a fucking hoot. boston bean Jul 2015 #86
"I don't read the articles" Aerows Jul 2015 #90
i would also think people would be enlightened restorefreedom Jul 2015 #121
You can't resist lying, can you? Vattel Jul 2015 #138
You're trying too hard. arcane1 Jul 2015 #78
Believe me, I'm not trying at all. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #79
Her goal post has a V-8. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #93
They don't just pivot, but also twist, turn, double back, loop around, etc. The phrase that comes to kath Jul 2015 #119
Thank you for finally settling this not pressing non issue from over 40 years ago. merrily Jul 2015 #16
Just doing my part to decrease morbidity and mortality MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #25
Clearly, you are a selfless poster. merrily Jul 2015 #34
I note that there are *two* genders MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #35
LIES! ALL lie!111!!!! I limited nothing. merrily Jul 2015 #44
Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl in 1964. Should we dredge that up, too? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #132
Boston bean you really don't like Bernie! Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #20
I like Bernie. I think that writing was a bit off the wall. boston bean Jul 2015 #22
With all due repect, whether or not you like Bernie is wholly irrelevant. merrily Jul 2015 #27
Not true, it is wholly relevant. As the post I was responding to boston bean Jul 2015 #29
No, it's irrelevant. Trust me. merrily Jul 2015 #31
I should trust you, that it is irrelevant. OK? boston bean Jul 2015 #32
What a load of shit. morningfog Jul 2015 #50
BB the link below is to the article Sanders wrote, I mostly skimmed it but I believe he seaglass Jul 2015 #33
Fascinating. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #58
my eyes are bleeding..... boston bean Jul 2015 #76
Since no one can point to any study Aerows Jul 2015 #39
Shhh... MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #40
I'm derailing my own thread.. OK. boston bean Jul 2015 #41
Even if Bernie were running for Surgeon General, what he wrote in the 60s based on his merrily Jul 2015 #46
I continue to be astounded Aerows Jul 2015 #118
Looks like Seaglass did, just above. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #62
Looks like today is "try and link Bernie to ladies' bits" day! djean111 Jul 2015 #51
bernie is getting a lot more support from women restorefreedom Jul 2015 #59
kicked for op total fail on exhibit. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #54
why this is relevant... BooScout Jul 2015 #55
and I was just told by a bernie support how this thread is an exhibit of a fail. boston bean Jul 2015 #56
If the best anyone can muster is a 40 year old article they didn't research, Gore1FL Jul 2015 #125
Oh, like the Clintons don't have a ton of very messy baggage. djean111 Jul 2015 #64
We read about it every day from the left (suprisingly) and the right... boston bean Jul 2015 #66
I believe this silly stuff is brought up just for sport. Shrug. djean111 Jul 2015 #67
That's politics BainsBane Jul 2015 #74
Sure! And we don't bring up Bill's peccadillos or "being shot at". The GOP will do that. djean111 Jul 2015 #84
Sure "you" have. I have seen references like those several times. Apparently there is nothing out of stevenleser Jul 2015 #94
I think people are trying to give you a bit of your own medicine BainsBane Jul 2015 #112
It was an amateurish assault to be sure n/t Gore1FL Jul 2015 #126
The right is going to use women's health issues against Sanders? frylock Jul 2015 #71
I'm stunned by Aerows Jul 2015 #111
So the OP is playing the role of republican by making up shit to smear a Dem candidate arcane1 Jul 2015 #107
It kind of sounds like artislife Jul 2015 #134
Making up shit? BooScout Jul 2015 #135
The "offense" is the made-up part. arcane1 Jul 2015 #136
I think it's (semi) relevant in a related way frazzled Jul 2015 #116
40 years ago?!! it was all that clean living & easy marijuana that prevented the cancers Sunlei Jul 2015 #63
How fricking juvenile. I hope you're proud of yourself. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #69
That one surrender its pride long ago Doctor_J Jul 2015 #85
So Clinton is allowed to disavow her IWR vote from 2001, and her 2004 "No gay marriage" Doctor_J Jul 2015 #87
Has anyone stopped you from speaking about the IWR or anything else? boston bean Jul 2015 #88
No one has stopped you from speaking about a 40-year-old article either. n/t Gore1FL Jul 2015 #127
I am more interested in learning how Bernie plans to find "common ground" on abortion with the GOP. ieoeja Jul 2015 #91
Bernie supporters have no chance of surviving a general election if they go into Chernobyl mode over stevenleser Jul 2015 #92
Bernie supporters don't have to "survive a general election," only Bernie himself does. We expect Stardust Jul 2015 #114
Oh yes they do. But thanks for confirming you agree that they can't. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #115
I'm in it Aerows Jul 2015 #120
"Every bit of nonsense that could be drudged up about Hillary has been fair game." frylock Jul 2015 #122
Tame is this is the point. It's a make-believe crisis. Gore1FL Jul 2015 #129
Indeed, "relevant" being a key word here. And a lonely one. arcane1 Jul 2015 #137
skinner: "We Hillary supporters need to be better than everyone else." beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #124
Hi Boston Bean. This topic has already been covered Scootaloo Jul 2015 #128
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