2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Sanders no longer links lack of orgasm with cancer, right? [View all]BainsBane
(53,027 posts)and I don't read everything that goes on in there, so I cannot possibly claim there is no name calling, and I didn't. I addressed your assertion that no name calling goes on in the Sanders groups, clearly a false point.
You wish all articles that don't laud Sanders to be buried. Wish away. It's not going to happen, especially not if you expect him to become a serious contender for the nomination.
You claimed the criticism of Sanders was "unprecedented." I pointed out it is not unprecedented in fact it is overshadowed by a deluge of crap about Clinton. That illustrates your outrage to be entirely selective.
You called me a hypocrite for pointing out those facts. You feel attacked because someone on the internet dares to support a different candidate. Too bad. I don't give a shit. MY DEMOCRATIC CHOICE. You get one vote and one vote only. You don't get to control my vote or my thinking, and I will not pretend you are oppressed because someone posted an unflattering thread about Sanders.
I'm one of the many many DUers who thought he nailed it because we're tired of the ridiculous hyperbole and accusations from people who look for reasons to be outraged and who choose to use their voice to pit DUers against each other instead of trying to unite them.
Okay, this is ludicrous. My OP said that we will know who best speaks to the interests of the African American community by how they vote. That is dividing DUers? Discussing the fact that voters make their own decisions? And what are you doing right here but attacking the HRC group, and somehow holding me personally responsible for the actions of random Clinton supporters? How is that uniting? Does failure to support Sanders somehow make one not a DUer? Yet concern for the entire population of America, as opposed to the relatively affluent and far whiter population of DU doesn't? Calling people corporatists and Third Way isn't divisive? Pointing out that voters determine their own interests is? That entire notion that discussing race is divisive is a conservative argument, now gone mainstream among so-called progressives. I find it incredible. America is already divided. It always has been. It was built on division. Now Black people are being killed by police. Their churches being burned and racist massacres take place. But I dare mention AA voters and I'm "dividing" DUers by mentioning someone exists outside this site that might actually matter? I'm sure I divide DUers when I talk about sexism and my experiences with poverty too. All that nasty, "imaginary" stuff that people don't like to think about, as has been repeatedly pointed out to me. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025346527 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025361657
Sorry I don't fit your proscribed box of who and what a DUer is supposed to care about. In fact, it would seem that the happenstance of my birth and the life experiences that came with it makes me something other than a real DUer.
Your memory of that thread is faulty. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026739071
What I said is that black voters themselves will decide who best addresses their issues. That poster you reference then shouted privilege, as I have seen him respond to other members of the subaltern who post something he doesn't like. There was at that point no black poster in that thread. That member came later, after you had agreed with the poster you mention who also shouts "privilege" to members of color on this site, as was the case when a member of the AA group posted that her concerns for racism were not solved by attention to class issues alone. She was "privileged" for being black and middle class, whereas upper-middle class white posters get no such admonition. In another thread he made profane insults to the very AA member he claimed I was interfering with his communication with in my thread. Funny how its always feminists and people of color who are "privileged," despite the fact self-polling shows DUers have high incomes overall (way higher than mine). If we in the subaltern live, we dare not discuss our concerns because it might make our betters feel bad, and lord knows that is more important than poverty, violence, and certainly our right to make our own democratic choices.
Let me be clear: I do not care in the slightest who you or anyone else votes for. Unlike some, I don't feel a need to control how others vote. I consider that their choice entirely. I don't even worry about it. To each her own.
This discussion is enough for me to know I do not wish to have another again. I'm sorry it makes you so angry that I don't support your political hero. You'll just have to cope. Better get used to it because 85% of the Democratic electorate feels the same way.