2016 Postmortem

HooptieWagon

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106. Absolutely.

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:20 PM

Jul 2015

The Third Way uses fear and wedge issues to maintain control on behalf of their wealthy sponsors. As long as we are intimidated to vote for Third Way candidates, they will continue to reward their benefactors and stab the rest of us in the back. It's a battered wife syndrome. Reject Third Way candidates, in the primaries and the general. When they lose elections, their corporate sponsorship will dry up.

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Clinton has absolutely no chance of involving alienated voters [View all] eridani Jul 2015 OP

Bernie is the Real Deal! postulater Jul 2015 #1

It's much easier to "look under the hood" these days than it used to be Fumesucker Jul 2015 #2

Also, the Gore "lying about inventing the Internet" and the Kerry swiftboaing eridani Jul 2015 #4

Lol Cosmocat Jul 2015 #22

The right will make up so many lies, the normal person wont have the energy to fact check randys1 Jul 2015 #101

That pretty much sums it up Cosmocat Jul 2015 #147

So far, the only people attacking Bernie Sanders have been Democrats. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #145

OK Cosmocat Jul 2015 #146

I remember words just like yours when I supported Obama 'fantastical, the country sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #148

More of the same ... Cosmocat Jul 2015 #149

I'm having no problem getting people to support Bernie. He's the easiest sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #152

Last go around on this Cosmocat Jul 2015 #157

What's off putting to people is first, comparing someone who disagreed with you politely sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #158

You can't really call someone lese self-righteous... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #176

Well said. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #185

Remember that Gore and Kerry could only complain to the same MSM who were smearing them eridani Jul 2015 #167

I absolutely agree that Social Media wasn't available to them back then. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #172

I am firmly in Bernie's corner and am in no way a Clintonista. But SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #3

Sanders supporters who are Democrats are used to strategic voting-- eridani Jul 2015 #5

I'm not equivocating. Bernie will get the nod. I'm going to work to see that he does. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #11

The momentum is clearly on Bernie's side. Seeing Hillary's poll numbers crumble this far out does not bode well for her. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #105

That argument though only works on loyal Democratic Party TM99 Jul 2015 #13

Rejection of Hillary is pragmatic, from a long-term goal point-of-view. Maedhros Jul 2015 #76

Absolutely. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #106

Absofuckinlutely Catherina Aug 2015 #192

Same here. I will not 840high Jul 2015 #91

Fabulous! Then prepare to say hello to another president bush. calimary Jul 2015 #159

You're silly. 840high Jul 2015 #162

a vote based on fear restorefreedom Jul 2015 #187

i don't like hillary, but i will vote for her if it's between her and a crazy ass repuke. dionysus Jul 2015 #190

Democrats will agree with you. I am a Dem and a strategic voter--not an alienated one eridani Aug 2015 #197

+1000 n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #193

HRC's corporate quid pro quos will be called in on her Supreme Court appts. Divernan Jul 2015 #17

You can bet on that too madokie Jul 2015 #32

Thank you for that last paragraph tularetom Jul 2015 #61

That's not an argument most voters care about. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #23

It is because of the SC that I am supporting Bernie. He will sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #155

A very interesting post... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #6

Over here, we have Progressive Democrats of America, Democratic Socialists of America eridani Jul 2015 #7

you sound knowledgeable... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #42

The party leadership is dominated by DLC-style politicians jeff47 Jul 2015 #63

It's a good reason to NOT donate to the DCCC and the DSCC... cascadiance Jul 2015 #74

Want to know where I met Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Jul 2015 #99

DCCC is probably worse than DSCC... cascadiance Jul 2015 #102

Yes. Donate to PDA, not the DNC and its affiliates. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #107

Beautiful rundown. Thanks for this post. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #77

Thanks very much for that reply shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #160

"Branch stacking?" n/t eridani Jul 2015 #142

an australian term shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #161

I see. Yess, that happens here eridani Jul 2015 #164

Roger That - Many Citizens See HRC For What She Is - A Patron Of The Oligarchs cantbeserious Jul 2015 #8

There's that, too. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #9

they dont need patrons, they need servents nt HFRN Jul 2015 #151

At our first Fresno for Bernie meeting Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #10

All true. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #12

All Hillary wants is to be President madokie Jul 2015 #34

Nicely put! [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #78

Bernie has a LOT of supporters on Reddit. djean111 Jul 2015 #14

63% of those eligible to vote? liberal N proud Jul 2015 #15

Pretty sure that's a reference to eligible voters who stayed home in the 2014 mid terms Martin Eden Jul 2015 #24

Assumptions based on desires liberal N proud Jul 2015 #25

How would you charaterize voter turnout in the 2014 mid terms? Martin Eden Jul 2015 #29

Mid term participation is always lower than general term participation and dramatically so DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #40

And comparing midterm to midterm, 2014 was lower. jeff47 Jul 2015 #65

Well said BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #137

Candidates for the wealthy and powerful benefit when turnout is low RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #26

An informed & engaged electorate is a threat to the wealthy and powerful Martin Eden Jul 2015 #30

Yes. And anyone who goes against the status quo is immediately branded "unelectable." RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #38

The numer includes registered voters and those eligible to vote but not registered. n/t eridani Jul 2015 #134

Yes, the Kshama Sawant Socialist Alternative crowd, nobody's ever won anything without them... DanTex Jul 2015 #16

I guess we lost the anarcho-socialist vote./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #37

Rahm, is that you? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #39

Truth is never contingent on its spokesperson. It is transcendent and universal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

Right. That's why we are behind Bernie or anyone else willing to carry the flag of Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #80

Nobody's ever gotten a $15 minimum wage without them either shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #44

^^^THIS^^^ eridani Jul 2015 #168

How'd the "who cares about the left" plan work in 2010 and 2014? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #66

We could ask Senator Alison Grimes... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #178

It's the people who will not register and/or vote that are the problem, not socialists n/t eridani Jul 2015 #135

But you'll sure do your best to blame us if Clinton loses the general, won't you? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Jul 2015 #18

This is a good link artislife Jul 2015 #56

In other words your list are people that don't vote for the Democratic Party. Historic NY Jul 2015 #83

I've never voted for the Democratic Party. LWolf Jul 2015 #85

More like people who won't for the big D if Bernie isn't the headliner artislife Jul 2015 #97

Exactly and declaring it... Historic NY Jul 2015 #125

The very people who have lost us so many state legislatures and Congress eridani Jul 2015 #169

I thought it wasn't voting that did that... Historic NY Jul 2015 #170

Yes, and the higher ups don't give a shit about alienated voters. Sanders does n/t eridani Jul 2015 #175

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Super Delegates and state party chairs? frylock Aug 2015 #204

Teachout-Wu ran in the Democratic Party primary and took 30% of the vote from a sitting Governor. Agony Jul 2015 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Jul 2015 #130

Here's the link artislife Jul 2015 #132

yea they are all getting in line for their Trump buttons,,,,,,, geeez Cryptoad Jul 2015 #19

That's some logic Fearless Jul 2015 #21

I don't see it as an attack on Clinton, more description of what the young alienated voters say peacebird Jul 2015 #27

It is not just the young. TM99 Jul 2015 #33

Ah, but I see Gen X as young, LOL, my son is one! :) peacebird Jul 2015 #35

That is certainly fair enough. TM99 Jul 2015 #43

You do realize you are not actually forced to vote for one of the major parties, right? jeff47 Jul 2015 #67

What percentage of eligible voters belongs to this group? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #20

See post #56 nt artislife Jul 2015 #57

It did not provide the percentage. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #58

That is true...but look at who is coming in or not, artislife Jul 2015 #60

Recommended for the truth. mmonk Jul 2015 #28

Unfortunately for this demographic of potential voters Hillary being azurnoir Jul 2015 #31

Bernie bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #36

Bernie's strategy is to win the nomination, not bolster Hillary's effort. Maedhros Jul 2015 #79

If you want to know what doesn't really get you ahead bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #82

I am being pragmatic. Maedhros Jul 2015 #86

Following your logic bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #88

The difference between you and I Maedhros Jul 2015 #90

Rule #1: bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #103

The bottom line is this: Maedhros Jul 2015 #109

How do you achieve this accountability? bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #115

Who said anything about staying home? Maedhros Jul 2015 #118

You're not really able to be reasoned with bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #133

GIven the number of Democrats who WILL vote for Hillary... brooklynite Jul 2015 #45

So do you guys need the indy vote or not? frylock Jul 2015 #73

If they win, including winning via the indy vote, jeff47 Jul 2015 #94

nailed it frylock Jul 2015 #110

Because of course we can win with 35% of the electorate n/t eridani Jul 2015 #182

..plus a share of the moderates (24% liberal, 34% moderate) brooklynite Jul 2015 #183

Did you forget that those are overlapping categories? n/t eridani Jul 2015 #184

Of course, you'll be front and center blaming those people when she loses in the GE.. frylock Aug 2015 #205

Who would I be blaming when Sanders loses the GE? brooklynite Aug 2015 #206

PUMAs? frylock Aug 2015 #207

The same PUMAs who caused Obama to lose in 2008? brooklynite Aug 2015 #208

Yes they will. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #46

You are absolutely correct. 99Forever Jul 2015 #47

Not even George Clinton? OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #49

You're taking me back, brah DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #54

I see what you did there. 99Forever Jul 2015 #55

I think she'll do just fine. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #48

Really? Explain how she attracts alienated voters, then. n/t eridani Jul 2015 #136

This is real. LWolf Jul 2015 #50

Well, either she wins or those same posters scream "You damn liberals cost us the election". jeff47 Jul 2015 #68

That's the way it always works, isn't it? LWolf Jul 2015 #75

Oh boy shenmue Jul 2015 #51

Sounds like-starting to look like fredamae Jul 2015 #52

I have a client who is 67 artislife Jul 2015 #59

Senior and grandkids--true of many issue groups as well as political groups eridani Jul 2015 #143

I Agree fredamae Jul 2015 #144

I'm working on a slow, gentle LWolf Jul 2015 #173

Nice post fredamae Jul 2015 #174

It's not just Clinton. Any status quo nominee is unlikely to pull in alienated voters. winter is coming Jul 2015 #53

Connecting to the lost generations Babel_17 Jul 2015 #62

Excellent analysis. The game has changed, in that it is a game no longer. canoeist52 Jul 2015 #72

Huh, you reminded me of the decisive moment from one of my favorite novels, ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #96

Great book Telcontar Jul 2015 #141

...it is a game no longer. All cards on the table or you lose. snagglepuss Jul 2015 #124

Rec. But the bulk.... the vast majority... of the "alienated voters" are not aligned w. socialist... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #64

I think you'll find the younger the voter, the more they don't give a shit about a label. jeff47 Jul 2015 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Jul 2015 #70

The alienated voter is so miniscule as to who you are referring to, it doesn't matter. William769 Jul 2015 #71

I don't think it is miniscule. Maedhros Jul 2015 #81

I'm not worried in the least. William769 Jul 2015 #84

Meh. The trend across multiple polls show Bernie's support growing and Hillary's shrinking. Maedhros Jul 2015 #87

Polls have consistently shown Senator Sanders has plateaued. William769 Jul 2015 #89

Your understanding of the word "consistent" must differ from mine. Maedhros Jul 2015 #92

I will concede Virginia to you though William769 Jul 2015 #93

Yes - your smilies say so much more than real analysis could. Maedhros Jul 2015 #95

I'm curious of the poll's sampling of the unemployed and underemployed under 30 crowd Babel_17 Jul 2015 #100

Huge crowds don'y mean anything lunamagica Jul 2015 #154

Well, they certainly don't hurt, and they build excitement. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #156

Did any of them sign up to do voter outreach? eridani Jul 2015 #181

Obama had even bigger crowds, as I recall n/t eridani Aug 2015 #196

No. Independant and third parties registration is way up. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #108

2014 non-voters were 63% of the eligible population n/t eridani Jul 2015 #138

For the life of me why are people at DEMOCRATIC underground who VOW to NOT vote randys1 Jul 2015 #104

Correction, they won't vote for Third-Way, corporate Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #111

My beloved party? So you arent a supporter of the Democratic party? randys1 Jul 2015 #112

I support candidates and I support causes. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #113

Swear? LOL Thanks for proving my point though. randys1 Jul 2015 #114

You never made a point to prove. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #116

Yeah, and you can show one post where I said anything REMOTELY close to randys1 Jul 2015 #117

Which means you will vote for whatever Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #120

No, no, not regardless. What I will do is decide between two candidates, the one on randys1 Jul 2015 #121

A president cannot overturn Roe v. Wade Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #123

Of course they can, by who they appoint to the SC... randys1 Jul 2015 #126

And Hillary would nominate some Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #127

which is why i donate to bernie and and trying to find a local campaign to join to work for him randys1 Jul 2015 #128

It's simple. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #129

But what is funny is when unwillingness to compromise gets you further from those ideals. kjones Jul 2015 #150

And I believe voting for the lesser of two evils Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #153

Isn't the ideal of democracy that the onus is on the voters? kjones Jul 2015 #171

The OP was about people who are NOT Democrats n/t eridani Jul 2015 #139

Democrats will vote for the nominee. The OP is about people who are too fucking alienated to VOTE-- eridani Aug 2015 #200

They don't want the alienated, they'd have to do more than bullshit us as they rob and plunder TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #119

Its a reasonable point but she could bring them in.. DCBob Jul 2015 #122

And you know this because..........? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #131

130+ posts a day later, and not a SINGLE one said-- eridani Jul 2015 #140

Still <crickets> n/t eridani Jul 2015 #163

Hillary is gonna get GOP women to cross over. The soccer moms will love her. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #165

Maybe the ones over 60. But this has nothing to do with the OP, which was about eridani Jul 2015 #166

But what about the grey alien voters? longship Jul 2015 #179

A couple of days and ~180 posts later-- eridani Jul 2015 #180

I wonder whatvthe stats are on the OWS peeps? nc4bo Jul 2015 #186

OWS trends younger and less likely to be party affiliated eridani Jul 2015 #189

Recommend. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #188

Some alienated voters I have personally met eridani Aug 2015 #191

Lol, I didn't realize this was an old thread until now Catherina Aug 2015 #194

LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #195

It cracks me up too for the total truth Catherina Aug 2015 #198

Waiting to see what other dirty tricks they'll use to make it happen. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #201

I revisitied it because the issue is important. If turnout is like 2014 WE ARE FUCKED!! eridani Aug 2015 #199

Absolutely. The only chance for a Democratic win is Bernie Catherina Aug 2015 #202

They might be interested in O'Malley, whose positions I like. However, he lacks fire in the belly eridani Aug 2015 #203

Informational kick, because there is so little discussion of how to appeal to-- eridani Jan 2016 #209