2016 Postmortem

fredamae

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144. I Agree

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:57 AM

Jul 2015

"Been There and Done That"!

Which is why, now that I am "grandma" I take the time to learn for them....we talk, we debate and make our voting decisions together (Oregon: Vote By Mail IS Wonderful)
I didn't have that time back then. I had three kids
So, I Always voted-but in retrospect..I made some horribly bad choices/decisions simply because I did Not have time to stay current.

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Clinton has absolutely no chance of involving alienated voters [View all] eridani Jul 2015 OP

Bernie is the Real Deal! postulater Jul 2015 #1

It's much easier to "look under the hood" these days than it used to be Fumesucker Jul 2015 #2

Also, the Gore "lying about inventing the Internet" and the Kerry swiftboaing eridani Jul 2015 #4

Lol Cosmocat Jul 2015 #22

The right will make up so many lies, the normal person wont have the energy to fact check randys1 Jul 2015 #101

That pretty much sums it up Cosmocat Jul 2015 #147

So far, the only people attacking Bernie Sanders have been Democrats. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #145

OK Cosmocat Jul 2015 #146

I remember words just like yours when I supported Obama 'fantastical, the country sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #148

More of the same ... Cosmocat Jul 2015 #149

I'm having no problem getting people to support Bernie. He's the easiest sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #152

Last go around on this Cosmocat Jul 2015 #157

What's off putting to people is first, comparing someone who disagreed with you politely sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #158

You can't really call someone lese self-righteous... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #176

Well said. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #185

Remember that Gore and Kerry could only complain to the same MSM who were smearing them eridani Jul 2015 #167

I absolutely agree that Social Media wasn't available to them back then. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #172

I am firmly in Bernie's corner and am in no way a Clintonista. But SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #3

Sanders supporters who are Democrats are used to strategic voting-- eridani Jul 2015 #5

I'm not equivocating. Bernie will get the nod. I'm going to work to see that he does. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #11

The momentum is clearly on Bernie's side. Seeing Hillary's poll numbers crumble this far out does not bode well for her. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #105

That argument though only works on loyal Democratic Party TM99 Jul 2015 #13

Rejection of Hillary is pragmatic, from a long-term goal point-of-view. Maedhros Jul 2015 #76

Absolutely. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #106

Absofuckinlutely Catherina Aug 2015 #192

Same here. I will not 840high Jul 2015 #91

Fabulous! Then prepare to say hello to another president bush. calimary Jul 2015 #159

You're silly. 840high Jul 2015 #162

a vote based on fear restorefreedom Jul 2015 #187

i don't like hillary, but i will vote for her if it's between her and a crazy ass repuke. dionysus Jul 2015 #190

Democrats will agree with you. I am a Dem and a strategic voter--not an alienated one eridani Aug 2015 #197

+1000 n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #193

HRC's corporate quid pro quos will be called in on her Supreme Court appts. Divernan Jul 2015 #17

You can bet on that too madokie Jul 2015 #32

Thank you for that last paragraph tularetom Jul 2015 #61

That's not an argument most voters care about. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #23

It is because of the SC that I am supporting Bernie. He will sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #155

A very interesting post... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #6

Over here, we have Progressive Democrats of America, Democratic Socialists of America eridani Jul 2015 #7

you sound knowledgeable... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #42

The party leadership is dominated by DLC-style politicians jeff47 Jul 2015 #63

It's a good reason to NOT donate to the DCCC and the DSCC... cascadiance Jul 2015 #74

Want to know where I met Bernie Sanders? brooklynite Jul 2015 #99

DCCC is probably worse than DSCC... cascadiance Jul 2015 #102

Yes. Donate to PDA, not the DNC and its affiliates. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #107

Beautiful rundown. Thanks for this post. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #77

Thanks very much for that reply shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #160

"Branch stacking?" n/t eridani Jul 2015 #142

an australian term shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #161

I see. Yess, that happens here eridani Jul 2015 #164

Roger That - Many Citizens See HRC For What She Is - A Patron Of The Oligarchs cantbeserious Jul 2015 #8

There's that, too. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #9

they dont need patrons, they need servents nt HFRN Jul 2015 #151

At our first Fresno for Bernie meeting Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #10

All true. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #12

All Hillary wants is to be President madokie Jul 2015 #34

Nicely put! [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #78

Bernie has a LOT of supporters on Reddit. djean111 Jul 2015 #14

63% of those eligible to vote? liberal N proud Jul 2015 #15

Pretty sure that's a reference to eligible voters who stayed home in the 2014 mid terms Martin Eden Jul 2015 #24

Assumptions based on desires liberal N proud Jul 2015 #25

How would you charaterize voter turnout in the 2014 mid terms? Martin Eden Jul 2015 #29

Mid term participation is always lower than general term participation and dramatically so DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #40

And comparing midterm to midterm, 2014 was lower. jeff47 Jul 2015 #65

Well said BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #137

Candidates for the wealthy and powerful benefit when turnout is low RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #26

An informed & engaged electorate is a threat to the wealthy and powerful Martin Eden Jul 2015 #30

Yes. And anyone who goes against the status quo is immediately branded "unelectable." RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #38

The numer includes registered voters and those eligible to vote but not registered. n/t eridani Jul 2015 #134

Yes, the Kshama Sawant Socialist Alternative crowd, nobody's ever won anything without them... DanTex Jul 2015 #16

I guess we lost the anarcho-socialist vote./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #37

Rahm, is that you? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #39

Truth is never contingent on its spokesperson. It is transcendent and universal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

Right. That's why we are behind Bernie or anyone else willing to carry the flag of Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #80

Nobody's ever gotten a $15 minimum wage without them either shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #44

^^^THIS^^^ eridani Jul 2015 #168

How'd the "who cares about the left" plan work in 2010 and 2014? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #66

We could ask Senator Alison Grimes... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #178

It's the people who will not register and/or vote that are the problem, not socialists n/t eridani Jul 2015 #135

But you'll sure do your best to blame us if Clinton loses the general, won't you? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Jul 2015 #18

This is a good link artislife Jul 2015 #56

In other words your list are people that don't vote for the Democratic Party. Historic NY Jul 2015 #83

I've never voted for the Democratic Party. LWolf Jul 2015 #85

More like people who won't for the big D if Bernie isn't the headliner artislife Jul 2015 #97

Exactly and declaring it... Historic NY Jul 2015 #125

The very people who have lost us so many state legislatures and Congress eridani Jul 2015 #169

I thought it wasn't voting that did that... Historic NY Jul 2015 #170

Yes, and the higher ups don't give a shit about alienated voters. Sanders does n/t eridani Jul 2015 #175

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Super Delegates and state party chairs? frylock Aug 2015 #204

Teachout-Wu ran in the Democratic Party primary and took 30% of the vote from a sitting Governor. Agony Jul 2015 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Alkene Jul 2015 #130

Here's the link artislife Jul 2015 #132

yea they are all getting in line for their Trump buttons,,,,,,, geeez Cryptoad Jul 2015 #19

That's some logic Fearless Jul 2015 #21

I don't see it as an attack on Clinton, more description of what the young alienated voters say peacebird Jul 2015 #27

It is not just the young. TM99 Jul 2015 #33

Ah, but I see Gen X as young, LOL, my son is one! :) peacebird Jul 2015 #35

That is certainly fair enough. TM99 Jul 2015 #43

You do realize you are not actually forced to vote for one of the major parties, right? jeff47 Jul 2015 #67

What percentage of eligible voters belongs to this group? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #20

See post #56 nt artislife Jul 2015 #57

It did not provide the percentage. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #58

That is true...but look at who is coming in or not, artislife Jul 2015 #60

Recommended for the truth. mmonk Jul 2015 #28

Unfortunately for this demographic of potential voters Hillary being azurnoir Jul 2015 #31

Bernie bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #36

Bernie's strategy is to win the nomination, not bolster Hillary's effort. Maedhros Jul 2015 #79

If you want to know what doesn't really get you ahead bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #82

I am being pragmatic. Maedhros Jul 2015 #86

Following your logic bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #88

The difference between you and I Maedhros Jul 2015 #90

Rule #1: bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #103

The bottom line is this: Maedhros Jul 2015 #109

How do you achieve this accountability? bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #115

Who said anything about staying home? Maedhros Jul 2015 #118

You're not really able to be reasoned with bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #133

GIven the number of Democrats who WILL vote for Hillary... brooklynite Jul 2015 #45

So do you guys need the indy vote or not? frylock Jul 2015 #73

If they win, including winning via the indy vote, jeff47 Jul 2015 #94

nailed it frylock Jul 2015 #110

Because of course we can win with 35% of the electorate n/t eridani Jul 2015 #182

..plus a share of the moderates (24% liberal, 34% moderate) brooklynite Jul 2015 #183

Did you forget that those are overlapping categories? n/t eridani Jul 2015 #184

Of course, you'll be front and center blaming those people when she loses in the GE.. frylock Aug 2015 #205

Who would I be blaming when Sanders loses the GE? brooklynite Aug 2015 #206

PUMAs? frylock Aug 2015 #207

The same PUMAs who caused Obama to lose in 2008? brooklynite Aug 2015 #208

Yes they will. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #46

You are absolutely correct. 99Forever Jul 2015 #47

Not even George Clinton? OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #49

You're taking me back, brah DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #54

I see what you did there. 99Forever Jul 2015 #55

I think she'll do just fine. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #48

Really? Explain how she attracts alienated voters, then. n/t eridani Jul 2015 #136

This is real. LWolf Jul 2015 #50

Well, either she wins or those same posters scream "You damn liberals cost us the election". jeff47 Jul 2015 #68

That's the way it always works, isn't it? LWolf Jul 2015 #75

Oh boy shenmue Jul 2015 #51

Sounds like-starting to look like fredamae Jul 2015 #52

I have a client who is 67 artislife Jul 2015 #59

Senior and grandkids--true of many issue groups as well as political groups eridani Jul 2015 #143

I Agree fredamae Jul 2015 #144

I'm working on a slow, gentle LWolf Jul 2015 #173

Nice post fredamae Jul 2015 #174

It's not just Clinton. Any status quo nominee is unlikely to pull in alienated voters. winter is coming Jul 2015 #53

Connecting to the lost generations Babel_17 Jul 2015 #62

Excellent analysis. The game has changed, in that it is a game no longer. canoeist52 Jul 2015 #72

Huh, you reminded me of the decisive moment from one of my favorite novels, ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #96

Great book Telcontar Jul 2015 #141

...it is a game no longer. All cards on the table or you lose. snagglepuss Jul 2015 #124

Rec. But the bulk.... the vast majority... of the "alienated voters" are not aligned w. socialist... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #64

I think you'll find the younger the voter, the more they don't give a shit about a label. jeff47 Jul 2015 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Jul 2015 #70

The alienated voter is so miniscule as to who you are referring to, it doesn't matter. William769 Jul 2015 #71

I don't think it is miniscule. Maedhros Jul 2015 #81

I'm not worried in the least. William769 Jul 2015 #84

Meh. The trend across multiple polls show Bernie's support growing and Hillary's shrinking. Maedhros Jul 2015 #87

Polls have consistently shown Senator Sanders has plateaued. William769 Jul 2015 #89

Your understanding of the word "consistent" must differ from mine. Maedhros Jul 2015 #92

I will concede Virginia to you though William769 Jul 2015 #93

Yes - your smilies say so much more than real analysis could. Maedhros Jul 2015 #95

I'm curious of the poll's sampling of the unemployed and underemployed under 30 crowd Babel_17 Jul 2015 #100

Huge crowds don'y mean anything lunamagica Jul 2015 #154

Well, they certainly don't hurt, and they build excitement. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #156

Did any of them sign up to do voter outreach? eridani Jul 2015 #181

Obama had even bigger crowds, as I recall n/t eridani Aug 2015 #196

No. Independant and third parties registration is way up. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #108

2014 non-voters were 63% of the eligible population n/t eridani Jul 2015 #138

For the life of me why are people at DEMOCRATIC underground who VOW to NOT vote randys1 Jul 2015 #104

Correction, they won't vote for Third-Way, corporate Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #111

My beloved party? So you arent a supporter of the Democratic party? randys1 Jul 2015 #112

I support candidates and I support causes. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #113

Swear? LOL Thanks for proving my point though. randys1 Jul 2015 #114

You never made a point to prove. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #116

Yeah, and you can show one post where I said anything REMOTELY close to randys1 Jul 2015 #117

Which means you will vote for whatever Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #120

No, no, not regardless. What I will do is decide between two candidates, the one on randys1 Jul 2015 #121

A president cannot overturn Roe v. Wade Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #123

Of course they can, by who they appoint to the SC... randys1 Jul 2015 #126

And Hillary would nominate some Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #127

which is why i donate to bernie and and trying to find a local campaign to join to work for him randys1 Jul 2015 #128

It's simple. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #129

But what is funny is when unwillingness to compromise gets you further from those ideals. kjones Jul 2015 #150

And I believe voting for the lesser of two evils Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #153

Isn't the ideal of democracy that the onus is on the voters? kjones Jul 2015 #171

The OP was about people who are NOT Democrats n/t eridani Jul 2015 #139

Democrats will vote for the nominee. The OP is about people who are too fucking alienated to VOTE-- eridani Aug 2015 #200

They don't want the alienated, they'd have to do more than bullshit us as they rob and plunder TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #119

Its a reasonable point but she could bring them in.. DCBob Jul 2015 #122

And you know this because..........? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #131

130+ posts a day later, and not a SINGLE one said-- eridani Jul 2015 #140

Still <crickets> n/t eridani Jul 2015 #163

Hillary is gonna get GOP women to cross over. The soccer moms will love her. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #165

Maybe the ones over 60. But this has nothing to do with the OP, which was about eridani Jul 2015 #166

But what about the grey alien voters? longship Jul 2015 #179

A couple of days and ~180 posts later-- eridani Jul 2015 #180

I wonder whatvthe stats are on the OWS peeps? nc4bo Jul 2015 #186

OWS trends younger and less likely to be party affiliated eridani Jul 2015 #189

Recommend. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #188

Some alienated voters I have personally met eridani Aug 2015 #191

Lol, I didn't realize this was an old thread until now Catherina Aug 2015 #194

LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #195

It cracks me up too for the total truth Catherina Aug 2015 #198

Waiting to see what other dirty tricks they'll use to make it happen. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #201

I revisitied it because the issue is important. If turnout is like 2014 WE ARE FUCKED!! eridani Aug 2015 #199

Absolutely. The only chance for a Democratic win is Bernie Catherina Aug 2015 #202

They might be interested in O'Malley, whose positions I like. However, he lacks fire in the belly eridani Aug 2015 #203

Informational kick, because there is so little discussion of how to appeal to-- eridani Jan 2016 #209