2016 Postmortem

BrotherIvan

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78. Every single appearance has been scrutinized

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:36 PM

Jul 2015

It started in Vermont with his kickoff. Lots and lots of threads about optics. Then New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Maine.

This thread, as I explained above, is that we cannot blame the candidates for the diversity of the primary states. The primary states do not represent the diversity of the the US population. The primary process should be changed to fix that.

It was easy to make those statements when Hillary was in hiding and making very few appearances. Now, she is following the same trail and addressing the same issues. She gave a speech about economics and only mentioned people of color in one sentence. She referred to the high rate of Latino and black youth unemployment, the very same statement that Sanders has been criticized for. But strangely enough, I did not see a single thread talking about that.

Perhaps we all should have waited and let the campaign mature a bit before deciding if a candidate was avoiding people of color. Perhaps we should have let the speeches and policies have a chance to come out before posts like Not Enough, Bernie. Instead, the talking points commenced after a single 45 minute kickoff speech.

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Hillary Clinton addresses white crowd in New Hampshire [View all] BrotherIvan Jul 2015 OP

Lol. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1

And sadly, the Poster that posted ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #57

Why don't you address your post to me? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #66

Brother Ivan ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #73

Well, I guess the truth has finally come out BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #82

Yeah ... okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95

And your ego has blinded you BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #126

It's not my "ego" it's my life's experience ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #166

"I care very much about ALL issues that affect ALL PoC" BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #171

And, this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #208

I and other PoC on this board who have been trying to talk to you are not BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #223

Whoa, 1SBM, I see this sentence from Post 126 and am disgusted at what R B Garr Jul 2015 #203

I couldn't agree more with everything you've said here. Number23 Jul 2015 #209

Not a problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #210

I'm Arab shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #172

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #195

If you're so upset with a so-called "racist campaign" conducted seven years ago..... George II Jul 2015 #129

I think he expected it to look the same as a Sanders rally in the same area. And it does. bravenak Jul 2015 #134

But I didn't see any "Bernie Sanders addresses a white crowd in New Hampshire" posts from him. George II Jul 2015 #139

Other people wrote the posts about Bernie having all white crowds. bravenak Jul 2015 #147

I think you are confused BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #148

No one does. So why do you feel it so important to point it out? George II Jul 2015 #153

herp Desert805 Jul 2015 #176

Then why didn't you say that in the OP, but only when called out on it? George II Jul 2015 #177

If this post is 'F'ed up, then so were all those posts claiming that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #240

Because that was not the point being made in those posts ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #241

I've never seen any explanation as to why there is anything sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #243

Because Jesse Jackson didn't poll poorly with blacks mythology Jul 2015 #257

omg, the anti-intellectualism about his issue is truly stunning. R B Garr Jul 2015 #242

If I may ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #244

You have made excellent points. National cross-over appeal is R B Garr Jul 2015 #247

We are witnessing, denial. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #248

I think you are not aware of the agenda at play here. Most of us are, but thanks sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #245

"Most of us are," I see you make proclamations on a regular basis that R B Garr Jul 2015 #246

That poster continues to miss the point, to the point that I no longer believe it is inadvertent ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #249

Yes! I have noticed that same thing and also believe it is intentional. R B Garr Jul 2015 #250

Nailed it. zappaman Jul 2015 #253

People can be anything they want on the internet....! MADem Jul 2015 #254

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #258

You are a good soul. MADem Jul 2015 #259

This is hilarious, its not about crowd diversity... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #63

OH MY GAWD!!!! A candidate spoke at a nursing home, and the only people in the audience were.... MADem Jul 2015 #256

Looks all white. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #2

Some of us really don't. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #43

Because we remember BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #52

Well said. zentrum Jul 2015 #61

Yes we do. And she and her cheerleaders have yet to apologize or make amends. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #72

Thank you BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #97

The polls say otherwise. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #64

Same polls that had her beating Obama? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #68

2 things: JaneyVee Jul 2015 #71

She started out very strong vs Obama in early AA polling. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #80

Gee, you mean Hillary lost to arguably the greatest campaigner in US history?? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #93

Sanders is picking up where Dean left off... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #105

The polls say otherwise. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #137

if you think Dean is great.... BooScout Jul 2015 #140

i knew Dean was a centrist London Lover Man Jul 2015 #192

Yeah, Clinton over Obama by 10 point, Clinton over Sanders by 30+. Works out just fine to me. George II Jul 2015 #146

Are you being sarcastic? George II Jul 2015 #142

When Sanders supporters asked what you are asking in the body of your post the answer cui bono Jul 2015 #151

"No more white than the crowd Sanders addressed in New Hampshire in May" HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #157

Do you not get sarcasm??? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #159

As a hit post, and when called out on it by more than one person (several, in fact), its...... George II Jul 2015 #167

So you think BrotherIvan is really race baiting? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #169

Nope - that wasn't in his OP, and only appeared once he was called out on it. Nice track covering. George II Jul 2015 #178

It's a response thread, and anyone who reads here Desert805 Jul 2015 #180

Now he's covering his tracks? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #181

Ever see this? George II Jul 2015 #185

If you read all of the posts in this thread and still needed a smilie to clue you in... beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #187

Yawn...you cover up better than Haldermann and Erlichmann. Bye. George II Jul 2015 #194

Yeah, that's what I thought. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #196

Are you trying to be this wrong? Desert805 Jul 2015 #179

I see what you did. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #3

Oh good BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #6

And very nicely done too. Scuba Jul 2015 #41

Does anyone have the jury results? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #44

Oh, we recognize this, not in denial, and yes she marched for Civil Rights Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #4

Personally with Martin Luther King, Jr in 1963? London Lover Man Jul 2015 #15

Well, I think that she was trying to remember something Gman Jul 2015 #58

Yes Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #87

Actually she was still in high school in 1963. But she was a strong advocate for Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #86

Given the composition of New Hampshire, is this a surprise? guillaumeb Jul 2015 #5

No, it's not BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #7

Apparently it's only a surprise when Sanders is the one speaking. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #17

You also remember that similar post about Sanders? eom guillaumeb Jul 2015 #23

+1 historylovr Jul 2015 #26

Badda bing! nt valerief Jul 2015 #49

Except his crowd in AL looked just like his crowds in NH BainsBane Jul 2015 #69

And Madison and everywhere else he has spoken ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #83

He wasn't there BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #100

No, I haven't been told that time and time again BainsBane Jul 2015 #108

Ding ding ding Alittleliberal Jul 2015 #81

There is at least one black couple last photo left center. DCBob Jul 2015 #8

Great! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #11

Don't see it. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #13

Look closer.. they are there. DCBob Jul 2015 #14

MS Paint it. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #16

Im on phone.. expand the image.. they are there. DCBob Jul 2015 #28

Those are two men - one in a suit, other in plaid shirt. Divernan Jul 2015 #101

Nope. Not a single POC Divernan Jul 2015 #22

I clearly see 2 in the bottom photo. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #67

But yet, you can't describe where they are, what they're wearing, or Divernan Jul 2015 #94

Bottom photo, in front of the window on the left, wearing a green shirt. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #98

You said there were 2, now you say there's one. Divernan Jul 2015 #115

And the person next to him. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #133

Are You Guys Seriously Playing "Where's Waldo" In This Thread ??? WillyT Jul 2015 #138

LOL. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #141

Tis the silly season, for sure! Divernan Jul 2015 #149

Exactly my point, London Lover Man Jul 2015 #190

Of course you do. 840high Jul 2015 #216

Less than 1,000 is my guess London Lover Man Jul 2015 #9

Looks like <300. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #30

Perhaps mostly white people live in this area FloridaBlues Jul 2015 #10

Yes, that is correct BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #12

I lived near there and it is probably above 90% white. tymorial Jul 2015 #37

Bingo! whathehell Jul 2015 #53

And she has many other events with diverse crowds JI7 Jul 2015 #18

I barely looked at those photos and still saw poc in every last one of them Number23 Jul 2015 #27

Obama had to campaign hard for the black vote JI7 Jul 2015 #32

I don't expect to see a lot of people of color in New Hampshire or Iowa BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #42

I agree. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #51

I always thought Utah and Delaware should be the first two states yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #132

They're not ver diverse either BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #155

The problem is most diverse areas would be too yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #162

NJ is pretty diverse. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #165

Good ideas BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #184

California is even more expensive, just because of the size. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #202

We are condensed here JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #227

how many times must we do this? restorefreedom Jul 2015 #50

Isn't that a terrorist palm jab in the second pic? corkhead Jul 2015 #19

But it's terrable when bernie sanders speaks to white only crowd Robbins Jul 2015 #20

Not good enough, Hillary! n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #21

Yeah! cui bono Jul 2015 #60

You should have posted a link to the thread. That one's always fun to drag back out into the light. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #96

Bwahahahaha. CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #24

Was this where she was interrupted by an environmental activist yelling at her? Autumn Jul 2015 #25

Suggest the "all white audience" crowd okasha Jul 2015 #29

Can you provide the more appropriate, "truthful" pictures whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #34

Can't do links or pictures on the phone. okasha Jul 2015 #48

You mean they're all in the back? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #36

OMGZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Monday she spoke only about economics and now this?????????? cui bono Jul 2015 #31

Hrumph! They must have bussed them in. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #33

She was in Dover tymorial Jul 2015 #35

Correct BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #38

you must have missed the 'Bernie's bad optics wars' n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #40

Isn't that where the White Cliffs are? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #55

Aye up. PoC make up 6% of NH total population of 2.5M sarge43 Jul 2015 #92

Somewhere I read that sarcasm is a sign of genius. pangaia Jul 2015 #39

If this was anyone but you, BrotherIvan... beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #45

I don't count BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #46

I remember. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #47

I posted that there were an awful lot of white people at one of bernie's speeches and moobu2 Jul 2015 #54

I'm sure if you alert on this one it will be too BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #56

I've never reported a thread moobu2 Jul 2015 #59

Good. cui bono Jul 2015 #62

Brilliant Kalidurga Jul 2015 #65

the thread you're mocking was about a Sanders rally in a town with 70% plus black population bigtree Jul 2015 #70

No, OP is mocking the Hillary supporters poutrage that Sanders drew white people to a NH rally. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #75

you and the op are inventing your own reasons for their criticism bigtree Jul 2015 #88

Thank you. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #114

A voice of reason. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #76

the point about support is lost in the defensiveness bigtree Jul 2015 #99

Every single appearance has been scrutinized BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #78

That scrutiny is called national politics... Get used to it. Agschmid Jul 2015 #79

Ah, we're back to the beginning BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #85

I think you mean "our" candidate. Agschmid Jul 2015 #89

Not likely. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #104

You do understand that all different types of people support candidates... Agschmid Jul 2015 #111

I said nothing about monoliths or people who have come out of the closet so I'm not cui bono Jul 2015 #117

You know exactly what I'm getting at and I'm sick of it. Agschmid Jul 2015 #120

I have absolutely no idea. What are you sick of? cui bono Jul 2015 #122

It was. Agschmid Jul 2015 #127

Yes, but you seem to have misinterpreted it. cui bono Jul 2015 #131

We are. Agschmid Jul 2015 #136

Oh really... cui bono Jul 2015 #143

Really. Agschmid Jul 2015 #144

if you criticized the others, you're being deliberately hypocritical with this post bigtree Jul 2015 #91

This post is not to criticize Hillary BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #107

Oh so it's meta then? Agschmid Jul 2015 #112

back to respond bigtree Jul 2015 #113

I don't understand your first sentence BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #121

I know you don't understand bigtree Jul 2015 #125

Perhaps I am tired of being told what to think BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #130

I've not made either of those criticisms of you bigtree Jul 2015 #156

Look upthread, this isn't new BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #164

hmm bigtree Jul 2015 #175

Sure BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #189

It's called sarcasm. And it is also following a long held DU tradition of copy cat OPs. cui bono Jul 2015 #118

"But they don't look like the rest of America" (when Bernie spoke in NH) PotatoChip Jul 2015 #170

link? bigtree Jul 2015 #183

What town was he in that had a 70% black population? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #198

back to the deflection du jour bigtree Jul 2015 #207

I was seriously asking the question BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #218

back to arguing with your own premise bigtree Jul 2015 #221

It's quite obvious that you have missed more than a few threads BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #224

I was sent this link to share BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #226

Wow, amazing thread LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #235

you obviously didn't take heed of my own response - likely too caught up in your own narrative bigtree Jul 2015 #236

HEY!!!! 96% of the population of New Hampshire is WHITE! What's your point? George II Jul 2015 #74

Which is why Sanders drew white people to his NH rally. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #77

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #84

Never thought race baiting would be acceptable on Democratic Underground George II Jul 2015 #102

Is this performance art? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #109

When have I NOT had a problem with race baiting? You said it, now let's see it, okay? George II Jul 2015 #123

Oh, my bad. You must have missed this epic thread: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #150

Looks like she is winning over some of Bernie's base oberliner Jul 2015 #90

You won! nt artislife Jul 2015 #116

great pic! bbgrunt Jul 2015 #158

haha... cui bono Jul 2015 #119

LOL! bravenak Jul 2015 #161

Moving in on Bernie's turf I see. William769 Jul 2015 #103

Ok... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #106

K&R SamKnause Jul 2015 #110

Well, Brother Ivan, when I attended sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #124

what a bait thread... BooScout Jul 2015 #128

Yeah shenmue Jul 2015 #152

Two more WHOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHes kath Jul 2015 #213

Exactly. Proud anti-intellectualism is as RW as it gets, R B Garr Jul 2015 #234

LOL !!! - DUzy !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #135

No way Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #232

What is this CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #145

It really is as simple as that BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #160

aint that the truth CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #174

There is an assumption that we can't make up our own minds BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #182

makes you think what they think of us when those doors are shut CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #188

I couldn't agree more BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #193

Well said CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #199

Nitpick - you may have misread the graph. it's Asians that have the $67K median income, white's is kath Jul 2015 #211

Yes CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #220

Hey, I love Bernie too. Was just pointing out about the graph. kath Jul 2015 #222

I love the way the poster seemed to emphasized "white people" as if Hillary was addressing demosincebirth Jul 2015 #154

But but but... 99Forever Jul 2015 #163

Hmm, who did I hear this about before? ybbor Jul 2015 #168

This is an ugly post. Pointless really. redstateblues Jul 2015 #173

Not at all pointless ibegurpard Jul 2015 #206

WELL! It turns out there were PoC in the crowd after all. LOL! KittyWampus Jul 2015 #186

lol CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #191

Kitty started her own thread to prove BrotherIvan wrong. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #197

Really OMG CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #200

Thanks for the mention! KittyWampus Jul 2015 #204

Hey, no prob. We all needed a good laugh. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #205

Wow. Just wow. kath Jul 2015 #215

So now we're playing "where's Waldo?"again?? kath Jul 2015 #214

As you so kindly pointed out - 3 people of color. 840high Jul 2015 #217

I only watched a few seconds. Why don't you watch longer and do an actual head count? KittyWampus Jul 2015 #219

EBONY AND IVORY DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #201

bigtree, link for you slipslidingaway Jul 2015 #212

You should reply to bigtree because he can't see your post BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #225

Good photos of Hillary's townhall but riversedge Jul 2015 #228

Hey, it just isn't true that there are no black people in my state. nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #229

Watch the Cspan video Gothmog Jul 2015 #230

She speaks to all segments of society... NCTraveler Jul 2015 #231

This is a grotesquely unfair post MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #233

Anyone got the jury results? Autumn Jul 2015 #237

NH is 94.2% White. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #238

no kidding. Brother Ivan knows this. this is in response to the Hillary supporters m-lekktor Jul 2015 #252

i did miss that thread, if i had seen it, i would probably say something similar. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #255

there goes one of the hillarians poutrages Doctor_J Jul 2015 #239

Idiotic post for one reason matt819 Jul 2015 #251

Agreed BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #260