2016 Postmortem

colsohlibgal

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114. Obama/Hillary

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 10:35 PM

Jul 2015

I didn't expect miracles from Obama but I didn't expect him to bring in the same old Rubin non regulation gang as his financial team. Or collaborate with republicans on another disastrous trade deal worse than the previous ones.

I expected him to go hard after the Wall Street bosses who sanctioned massive and blatant fraud - not one of them spent a day in jail.

This from a man who is on video while running saying we really had to reign in Wall Street.

Hillary is playing it smarter, she's saying good things but is a bit short on any real detail. I just don't trust her to not go neo like her hubby.

Plus she voted for Dubya's illegitimate first strike war. That showed either gullibility or fear of bucking the current.

I trust Bernie to live up to what he's saying more than HRC, he hasn't been collecting $200,000+ checks from speeches to Goldman Sachs Execs.

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Why I cannot support Hillary Clinton [View all] IVoteDFL Jul 2015 OP

And as we all know ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #1

alternatively, we should just accept our crappy lot in life. corkhead Jul 2015 #2

No. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #14

Of course, nobody thinks that, you know. bvf Jul 2015 #46

Um... there were legions of those who DID think that of then-candidate Obama, too. calimary Jul 2015 #295

I lurked back then, joined in 2011. bvf Jul 2015 #303

Perhaps you could show us where the OP said that Bernie is going to right all wrongs? dflprincess Jul 2015 #52

+1 840high Jul 2015 #141

+1+1 C Moon Jul 2015 #178

+1+1 +1 emsimon33 Jul 2015 #197

What makes anyone think Hillary won't? Perseus Jul 2015 #220

lol are you suggesting that anyone who has anything negative to say about HRC is a Republican? IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #224

"rather have Hillary any time than any of the Republican prospects" Bubzer Jul 2015 #228

the money and power in the upper class in this nation has a strangle hold on this country Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #242

Being conscious during the last 30 years. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #265

+1 dflprincess Jul 2015 #292

+2... nt freebrew Jul 2015 #298

+3 . . . nt Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #407

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #301

+100000 J_J_ Jul 2015 #313

"the US and the world did very well during bill's tenure" heaven05 Jul 2015 #274

exactly! J_J_ Jul 2015 #314

+10000 JDPriestly Jul 2015 #405

'The US and the World did very well during Bill Clinton's tenure' passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #322

'The US and the World did very well during Bill Clinton's tenure' AlbertCat Jul 2015 #344

Where did I mention Hillary? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #349

mea culpa AlbertCat Jul 2015 #353

While the economy faired well under B.Clinton, he's the one who got rid of Glass-Steagall cui bono Jul 2015 #360

Yes and thank you IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #225

+1. Especially agree on your point about only lip service during the campaign. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #236

+1+1+1+1 L0oniX Jul 2015 #250

+100 heaven05 Jul 2015 #272

Ironically that is what Bernie said. zeemike Jul 2015 #54

And Obama said, "Yes, WE can." NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #99

Well your right about that, we did not hold his feet to the fire. zeemike Jul 2015 #123

Obama got his "feet held to the fire" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #156

I am curious to to what your activist creds are too. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #201

Please list your plethora of activist achievements, nance Scootaloo Jul 2015 #153

The only important credential ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #154

No, you're snarling at other people for "not pulling their weight." Show us what you've achieved. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #157

Whre was I "snarling at ogther people ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #161

This: Scootaloo Jul 2015 #165

That wasn't "talking down to people". NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #167

Apparently you are now required to disclose your entire life on a website. 7962 Jul 2015 #209

"I marched for ____" or "I organized for ____" or "I helped campaigns" is disclosing your life? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #267

she's built a fan club based on cutesy rhetorical flourishes! from canada! Maven Jul 2015 #297

Jury results Lordquinton Jul 2015 #324

we have DUERS from all over the country. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #341

Maple syrup for everyone! Lordquinton Jul 2015 #350

Mocking and abusive? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #343

Most of the alerts these days make no sense Lordquinton Jul 2015 #348

It's easier to silence people then make your case. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #351

You'd think the death of a loved one... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #361

Me too. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #364

ESPECIALLY after how kind DUers were to her... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #367

Nothing like kicking a person when they're down. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #370

I see Autumn addresses it rather eloquently downthread... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #372

Actually, I was active in my Democratic Club and organized JDPriestly Jul 2015 #186

Obama shitcanned OFA, and people drifted away. eridani Jul 2015 #192

That's the thing about Sanders AlbertCat Jul 2015 #345

There were a few other things that happenned within weeks Rilgin Jul 2015 #202

Well if you're gonna be picky.... tblue Jul 2015 #237

+1 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #271

The War Crimes would have been brutally divisive Babel_17 Jul 2015 #289

The War Crimes would have been brutally divisive, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #346

No argument here, I was disgusted at our letting Iran Contra fade away Babel_17 Jul 2015 #355

Silly ...he was talking to the oligarchy who want trade deals. L0oniX Jul 2015 #251

For MANY of us... freebrew Jul 2015 #300

Well everytime people wanted to hold his feet to the fire we were met with 'because Republicans'. cui bono Jul 2015 #362

Not even worth responding to. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #363

And yet you did. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #365

No. I alerted you to the fact that I wouldn't be. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #368

So if I call you on the phone and tell you I'm not going to call you that means I didn't cui bono Jul 2015 #373

I responded to the fact of your having posted. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #374

Which would be a pretty stupid thing to do! cui bono Jul 2015 #375

What ev. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #376

If you were honest with yourself LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #389

I said the post wasn't worth responding to. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #391

And make sure that real Democrats are elected with him emsimon33 Jul 2015 #198

That is draw to having Bernie as the Nom artislife Jul 2015 #335

This is the key and Bernie knows it! It is time WE have to take an active part in our government. Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #213

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #256

AMEN Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #243

Wow, I thought that? corkhead Jul 2015 #63

Dripping with condescending goodness. 99Forever Jul 2015 #94

And not a scintilla of empathy from her either! Quite a heartless attitude. Divernan Jul 2015 #102

+1000 marym625 Jul 2015 #187

fuckin a frylock Jul 2015 #116

Maybe you should stop thinking passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #109

No, I'm sorry. That argument is no longer good enough. We cannot afford the status quo. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #177

Sanders says that himself on a daily basis--we need a mass movement or-- eridani Jul 2015 #190

A mass movement to get rid of paid off politicians; politicians voting against our well being. DhhD Jul 2015 #212

You REALLY need to stop telling people what they SHOULD think. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #204

That is why we in the lower classes need to work as a team but we need a leader Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #240

NT ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #244

Ruffled YOUR feathers, eh Nance? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #3

I just checked my feathers. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #18

Yet you were the first one to attack the op for having a different opinion and voicing it here. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #21

Well, if you think pointing out the obvious ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #24

Accusing the op of believing that Sanders "will magically change everything overnight" is an attack. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #25

An exactly where ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #26

Sorry, I edited, you accused me and other supporters of worshiping Sanders. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #31

Well, I think "magical thinking" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #33

As a proud atheist/skeptic I don't believe in magic or that Hillary is the best candidate. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #45

By all means ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #50

Where have I heard the phrase Magical thinking before? nt artislife Jul 2015 #62

They said we Obama supporters were guilty of it in 2008. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #85

I remember that too well artislife Jul 2015 #88

Or messiah? frylock Jul 2015 #120

Yep. Recycled right wing bullshit. morningfog Jul 2015 #142

Bernie supporters are not magical thinkers. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #189

and believing the candidate has the power to change nothing.... restorefreedom Jul 2015 #87

I cannot imagine ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #95

the discussion restorefreedom Jul 2015 #104

It's very simple Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #339

So what? n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #340

So what, what? n/t Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #342

Uhm... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #35

I seem to remember hearing the same thing about Obama being the Messiah London Lover Man Jul 2015 #37

Oh, yes, for many he WAS the Messiah ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #61

Yes, they were complaining they were betrayed because they WERE betrayed. Raksha Jul 2015 #249

BS heaven05 Jul 2015 #275

Can you see the US from your house? AlbertCat Jul 2015 #352

If you have a point ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #354

Boy you really didn't get it, did you? AlbertCat Jul 2015 #356

Yeah ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #357

Wow, I remember when it was the repubs who slung around that "messiah" word. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #79

The word isn't just from repubs, but it's always aimed from the right side of the candidate n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #90

Yes! That's where I've heard that before! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #91

It was Hillary's surrogates and supporters who started that meme in '07-'08. hedda_foil Jul 2015 #163

Hopefully it will be just as successful. artislife Jul 2015 #166

You said it, artie! hedda_foil Jul 2015 #170

I'll just bet your feathers got a little ruffled when people referred to Obama as the Messiah.. frylock Jul 2015 #117

Right. Straw men tend to loss people off. The only person who seems to say Bernie can fix it all is AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #241

Perfect Hillary response BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #5

Actually, it was the realistic response. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #9

So a person pours out his heart about his life struggles BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #11

So reality is a BAD thing now? NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #20

No... But It Would Be Nice For Once To Have A Candidate NOT IN BED With The 1% !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #30

And you should know better ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #41

+10000000 J_J_ Jul 2015 #316

Compassion is free BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #47

No BrotherIvan, compassion seems to be in short supply, in fact some people have Autumn Jul 2015 #89

It sucks BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #96

That wasn't a hard, cold dose of reality BrotherIvan Autumn Jul 2015 #100

Antithesis of Bill's "I feel your pain" Divernan Jul 2015 #222

I'm glad people were kind to you when you posted about the pain in your life. Autumn Jul 2015 #86

Thanks for saying what I was thinking, Autumn. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #121

To see such a lack of empathy and contempt for another Autumn Jul 2015 #126

It's evil. QC Jul 2015 #127

Not an ounce of compassion for what the poster is living through. Autumn Jul 2015 #135

3 minutes. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #128

I guess I am shocked Puglover Jul 2015 #231

I posted here about my husband's death ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #327

Yeah right. Autumn Jul 2015 #330

Exactly the reply expected. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #331

How's this then? Your post was just about what I have come to expect. n/t Autumn Jul 2015 #332

I'm sorry you are so disturbed by the facts. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #333

Your results: Sissyk Jul 2015 #336

Thanks for the results. Autumn Jul 2015 #337

Maybe the third time will be the charm. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #369

Your reality. Of course you're 840high Jul 2015 #144

One doesn't have to be "an expert" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #146

It depends on what reality you are talking about. The OP IS the reality for millions sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #320

that's a dumb statement. DesertFlower Jul 2015 #65

Wow, that was kind of a snotty remark tularetom Jul 2015 #13

Ar least we would have a President who would be bringing up Oldenuff Jul 2015 #15

If you believe that there is no difference ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #22

Did I mis the "magical" part in the OP? cause I sure don't think that was in there... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #49

Not magic, but the power of the people IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #64

So you think Hillary will? cui bono Jul 2015 #70

Will what? NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #92

Well, you've certainly won over everyone here bvf Jul 2015 #110

I never claimed to be able to read minds. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #113

Why don't you just tell me what I believe bvf Jul 2015 #118

Your link doesn't work. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #119

Perhaps if you weren't so quick to pounce. bvf Jul 2015 #122

So pointing out the fact ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #125

No, doing so within a mere 10 seconds makes you so. bvf Jul 2015 #132

I had been away from DU ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #136

Delete n/t. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #124

You think THAT response ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #131

What the poster stated isn't the issue. bvf Jul 2015 #138

"What the poster stated isn't the issue." NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #140

So then making that point about Sanders is... well... useless and somewhat hypocritical. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #358

Regardless Hillary Still Stinks As A Democrat billhicks76 Jul 2015 #105

I suppose the appropriate response here would be ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #108

There are quite a number of sad things in this OP artislife Jul 2015 #111

And you know something, artislife? You deserve it. senz Jul 2015 #155

Such nice words.....cheers artislife Jul 2015 #158

Hillary, as a Senator, fought for minimum wage hikes Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #233

Nope, She came out for $12. jeff47 Jul 2015 #273

I support the $12/hr bill, too. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #276

There's a large chasm between "showing support" and supporting $15/hr. jeff47 Jul 2015 #278

I think we learned that with Obama LostinRed Jul 2015 #112

Sadly, if elected, he will most likely be the most ineffective President of our lifetimes.... George II Jul 2015 #134

Thankfully, we don't. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #137

Your argument is that Hilary could pull Republican support? Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #210

Oh I'm sure she could dflprincess Jul 2015 #293

So, what Democrats would not support Bernie if elected? NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #214

"ZERO support of republicans and mixed support from Democrats" So, like President Obama? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #287

Naw, Nance its Clinton who will do all that madokie Jul 2015 #148

I'm a realist. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #150

Not a single democrat I've talked to yet says they'll vote for Hillary madokie Jul 2015 #160

I just find it rather ... "unbelievable" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #164

Well believe it madokie Jul 2015 #168

Yeah, well ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #169

Anything else you'd like to say? madokie Jul 2015 #172

Oh, don't trouble yourself. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #173

Polls are only as good as the pollsters. NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #216

I know two. Dawgs Jul 2015 #219

I'm a democrat. I am voting for Hillary. Laser102 Jul 2015 #307

I didn't realize you lived near me, mybad madokie Jul 2015 #315

At least he will TRY, which is more than we can say for PatrickforO Jul 2015 #176

Bingo IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #218

Nance, that was just nasty. raven mad Jul 2015 #199

NanceGreggs..... democrank Jul 2015 #200

You seem to be the only person who "knows" that. LWolf Jul 2015 #232

It will be a hellva lot better than the present even if he has no magic Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #239

And as we all know ... Jackilope Jul 2015 #248

Who says that this isn't exactly what she has worked for. Especially for women. olegramps Jul 2015 #255

The women of Iraq and Libya are certainly grateful for her help in turning their countries-- eridani Jul 2015 #381

It's not magic. It's the right policy choices. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #261

Maybe you need to listen to Bernie's message. Avalux Jul 2015 #269

I get sarcasm, but this is a little extreme. davidthegnome Jul 2015 #279

Sounds like you are using the OP as a launching pad Babel_17 Jul 2015 #283

Bernie has said again and again... rbnyc Jul 2015 #286

That's what they said Obama would do in 2008 LynneSin Jul 2015 #294

No he won't. Nor has he or his supporters ever claimed that, in fact they and he sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #382

you just made his case restorefreedom Jul 2015 #4

Wow thank you. that is a high honor IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #221

definitely will help in a huge way imo. of course the voters need to hear from bernie restorefreedom Jul 2015 #229

Hillary is going to be our Nominee and our Next President. onehandle Jul 2015 #6

Was that really necessary? nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #16

Theres always that team Hillary sense of entitlement on display... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #28

Well, they likely also have NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #217

I'd hate to think SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #252

Diebold advantage, so that's why they feel they can be so flippant J_J_ Jul 2015 #317

They're not doing their candidate any favors MissDeeds Jul 2015 #211

I'm sure it's gotten bookmarked by many, Babel_17 Jul 2015 #284

Nice. Especially since, if true, she will immediately develop 'amnesia' about any progressive policy peacebird Jul 2015 #32

Well kenfrequed Jul 2015 #38

... Phlem Jul 2015 #68

um, thank you for your edict. magical thyme Jul 2015 #206

You make a good case. What I'd say is, all the reasons you listed are also reasons DanTex Jul 2015 #7

+1 SunSeeker Jul 2015 #149

Of course I think that Hillary is better than the Republican alternatives IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #227

so you think a republican will be better. DesertFlower Jul 2015 #380

I hear you BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #8

Very true lovemydog Jul 2015 #12

Bernie himself might not be able to change everything... But he looks to try to do what he can! cascadiance Jul 2015 #34

Very well said! As usual. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #73

Well said, and amen! historylovr Jul 2015 #175

No more business as usual. K & R! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #10

I understand what you're saying. lovemydog Jul 2015 #17

"I would LOVE to have a woman president, but I NEED Bernie Sanders." HappyPlace Jul 2015 #19

With every respect: You did not say why you cannot support Clinton. You Raine1967 Jul 2015 #23

At the end of the day I think that Hillary is better friends with corporations than people IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #66

I truly appreciate that answer. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #115

I like what I've heard from O'Malley as well IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #260

I'm thinking the same as you Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #245

You should have watched Hillary's town hall today. William769 Jul 2015 #27

Sadly she is speaking to the issues now, but I do not trust her to act on them if elected. She said peacebird Jul 2015 #36

Did you watch the town hall meeting? William769 Jul 2015 #42

The question is: Hillary is now sounding like Elizabeth and Bernie. Why should I trust her? peacebird Jul 2015 #51

So I take it the answer is no. William769 Jul 2015 #55

Assume much? peacebird Jul 2015 #57

You didn't answer me so I had no choice. William769 Jul 2015 #60

Because one town hall makes all the difference in the world!? Phlem Jul 2015 #78

Listening to a speech is not facts. rbnyc Jul 2015 #290

Umm, the OP wasn't talking about Glass Steagall. DanTex Jul 2015 #43

Hi Dantex, appreciate you pointing out something that has no relevence to what I posted. peacebird Jul 2015 #56

You're right, Glass Steagall is irrelevant here. Problem is, you were the one who brought it up. DanTex Jul 2015 #59

What does Hillary do for you that Bernie does not? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #67

Basically, I just don't think he can get elected. DanTex Jul 2015 #82

no Hillary supporter retrowire Jul 2015 #97

"I do not trust her to act on them if elected." SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #253

I promise I will watch it this weekend IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #77

Take care artislife Jul 2015 #107

Talk is cheap. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #81

Interesting how long it took her to discover the bread-and-butter issues. n/t senz Jul 2015 #162

so now Hillary prefers single payer over mandated private insurance? nt magical thyme Jul 2015 #208

As Obama so painfully demonstrated to us, there is a vast gulf between Maedhros Jul 2015 #263

You speak for millions !!! SamKnause Jul 2015 #29

No President is going to magically get anyone a raise. Sancho Jul 2015 #39

A major strength in Bernie's message is election reform. Fixing the Citizens United debacle is Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #72

Maybe... Sancho Jul 2015 #103

Hillary soonsored a bill that every time Congress got a raise so would the minimum wage would Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #40

I find it very strange that anyone thinks a retort of well one man or woman cannot wave a magic wand djean111 Jul 2015 #44

plus, y'know, Honduras, Libya, Pakistan, Syria MisterP Jul 2015 #48

Hillary strikes me as someone who really enjoys foreign military intervention. Maedhros Jul 2015 #264

I am very sorry for all that you and your family are going through. Marie Marie Jul 2015 #53

Hoping the nominee is one who takes abelenkpe Jul 2015 #58

I admit Flatpicker Jul 2015 #69

as a democrat i will DesertFlower Jul 2015 #76

Ok wow I didn't expect so many replies and I have to sleep! IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #71

I like your post a lot Depaysement Jul 2015 #74

K&R! Thank you, IVoteDFL. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #75

in other words HFRN Jul 2015 #80

Your story is like so many udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #83

support is one thing. voting is another. DesertFlower Jul 2015 #84

Yes this is personal. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers Autumn Jul 2015 #93

I don't know why HRC supporters don't get that onecaliberal Jul 2015 #98

This isnt the BU nor is it the HU its the DU but your welcome to support Bernie, meanwhile cstanleytech Jul 2015 #101

All the things we really need won't ever get done unless we have a majority dem Congress. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #106

Obama/Hillary colsohlibgal Jul 2015 #114

Thank you, but will you still here on DEMOCRATIC Underground if Clinton wins the nomination? George II Jul 2015 #129

K&R for pissing off most of the right people. QC Jul 2015 #130

They're rather easily pissed, aren't they? senz Jul 2015 #180

Very long, I'm afraid. QC Jul 2015 #193

Sorry to here of your troubles OP draa Jul 2015 #133

Welcome to DU. 840high Jul 2015 #145

Thanks draa Jul 2015 #151

How is Bernie going to get you the pay you want, when he can't get a single member of Congress to MADem Jul 2015 #139

Bernie's gone straight to the people. And so far, they (we) love him. senz Jul 2015 #159

He's gone straight to the people in red states--- he won't win in a general. MADem Jul 2015 #171

Good Lord. Rather high-handed and condescending, don't you think? senz Jul 2015 #179

Yes, when you started telling me what I could do, that's exactly what you were. MADem Jul 2015 #181

Don't bother, senz. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #182

Thanks, beam me up scottie. I really appreciate it. senz Jul 2015 #183

I wish someone would have warned me. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #184

So Democrats in Congress druidity33 Jul 2015 #203

If they aren't going to vote with him as a super-delegate, why would they vote with him as POTUS? MADem Jul 2015 #223

HRC or BIDEN never ever faux Dem Bernie underthematrix Jul 2015 #143

I too am all in for Bernie. JEB Jul 2015 #147

I am sorry for what you and too many others are going through, IVoteDFL. senz Jul 2015 #152

First I am so sorry about your diagnosis IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #235

Hi, IVoteDFL. senz Jul 2015 #396

Hi Senz IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #400

I'm sorry you're going through so much. historylovr Jul 2015 #174

Thanks. Excellent post. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #185

K&R! marym625 Jul 2015 #188

Look at it this way--she's still better than a Republican eridani Jul 2015 #191

Remember Hillarycare? 6chars Jul 2015 #194

Do you even know what the Hillarycare plan was? Rilgin Jul 2015 #207

Yes, I recall how the insurance industry took out ads supporting it 6chars Jul 2015 #246

research the history Rilgin Jul 2015 #305

not convinced 6chars Jul 2015 #310

both was interested n it at the time Rilgin Jul 2015 #334

I support a single payer option and as far as I know she does not IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #215

She has said that she does not Doctor_J Jul 2015 #308

I'm so sorry about what's going on in your life enigmatic Jul 2015 #195

I agree emsimon33 Jul 2015 #196

beautifully written! ellennelle Jul 2015 #205

Thank you, I will consider sending it along to PBO IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #257

You need a Democratic president more than a Republucan. yardwork Jul 2015 #226

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Jul 2015 #230

If (when) she wins the nomination and you still stand by your title above... George II Jul 2015 #234

Nah I live in MN IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #254

I am a woman and will only vote for Bernie Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #238

Bernie is just on ready to be President: but I am not voting for another white male anyway lewebley3 Jul 2015 #259

even if hillary is the nominee? does that DesertFlower Jul 2015 #378

Hillary is strongly in favor of increasing the minimum wage. lark Jul 2015 #247

Increasing if to what dollar amount per hour? Bernie is $15/hr.. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #262

I will vote for that candidate who best represents my views. Maedhros Jul 2015 #266

it's not a meme. it's the truth. back in '04 DesertFlower Jul 2015 #379

I will not be shamed, badgered or coerced into voting for a candidate that I do not want. Maedhros Jul 2015 #390

Uh...no. jeff47 Jul 2015 #277

Why I cannot support Sanders: WhyI can support Hillary as the leader of America lewebley3 Jul 2015 #258

I hardly think that serving on the US Senate is doing nothing IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #270

Hillary; has been involved in the polices of sharing: that is progressive lewebley3 Jul 2015 #296

If you can't get elected to the Senate in New York... rbnyc Jul 2015 #291

Beautifully stated, very insightful post. senz Jul 2015 #299

Thanks. rbnyc Jul 2015 #377

I cannot support Hillary either. azmom Jul 2015 #268

why I haven't left the fu**ing house yet PatrynXX Jul 2015 #280

I can't add to that, you put things in a perfect nutshell Babel_17 Jul 2015 #281

Can I ask how much you pay in health care? Reter Jul 2015 #282

I'm actually not sure yet IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #384

I cannot support HIllary because of 2008. Hatchling Jul 2015 #285

And for me it was Hillary's own behavior during the 2008 campaign. senz Jul 2015 #309

Oh please, it's called campaigning. Beacool Jul 2015 #398

Campaigning can be classy and honest. senz Jul 2015 #401

Anyone else finding this thread to affirm and validate their support for Sanders? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #288

Yes, this thread goes beyond the empty back-and-forth sniping senz Jul 2015 #302

I'm going to give you some serious life advice taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #304

"Your" baristas? senz Jul 2015 #323

I thought HRC said she'd raise the minimum to at least $12, and up to $15 Babel_17 Jul 2015 #326

Are you actually serious? IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #383

Maybe in your OP, where you said "I NEED Bernie Sanders"? taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #394

Every single working person in this country deserves a living wage IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #399

Unfortunately half the people here have their fingers in their ears Doctor_J Jul 2015 #306

Abortion rights are as close to a litmus test for me as anything I can think of. senz Jul 2015 #311

Bernie has always defended our right to choose. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #319

What's not to love about this guy? senz Jul 2015 #321

Absolutely nothing, senz. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #325

Thanks, beam me up scottie. senz Jul 2015 #397

Thank you for illustrating what these policies are doing to Americans J_J_ Jul 2015 #312

She voted for the illegal Bush war too. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #318

I'm sorry that you have such a hard life... Walk away Jul 2015 #328

Good tacticians picks their battlefields Babel_17 Jul 2015 #329

The Red hour --great clip nt artislife Jul 2015 #338

Well said. Corporatism is killing us. The working people of this country need Bernie. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #347

Cold cold ccccold artislife Jul 2015 #359

Don't approach this board believing everyone is "liberal." WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #366

Good advice nt artislife Jul 2015 #371

Believe me when I say that I am used to it IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #385

Don't envy, get it! artislife Jul 2015 #386

Wonderful! IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #387

One of the things I do to earn extra cash is pet sit artislife Jul 2015 #388

K&R J_J_ Jul 2015 #392

Yeah, because Sanders will wave his magic wand and poof, all will be well with the world. Beacool Jul 2015 #393

Imagine replacing Ginsburg with another Alito taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #395

The op relates a personal tragedy and asks for understanding and that's how you respond? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #402

It's not about a lack of compassion, it's about a reality check. Beacool Jul 2015 #403

Now you're saying the op doesn't know how the government works? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #404

Hey, vote for the candidate of your choice. Beacool Jul 2015 #408

That makes a lot of sense. nt Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #406