2016 Postmortem

JDPriestly

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189. Bernie supporters are not magical thinkers.

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:47 AM

Jul 2015

We support Bernie because of his stances on the issues. He makes it very clear that this election is about the issues. We happen to agree with him on the issues.

Hillary and Bernie differ in very important respects on the issues.

In addition, they differ on how they are running their campaigns. Hillary is taking donations (sometimes in the form os speaking fees) from Wall Street and big corporations.

Bernie is not.

Both candidates claim to oppose Citizens United. Yet Hillary is organizing her campaign around all the money she has raised thanks to Citizens United. Bernie, in contrast, is not running on corporate, Citizens United money.

That is important to many of us.

Those who go for Hillary because she alone has that magical whatever it is (in their view) to win against the motley crew that is running on the Republican ticket are the believers in magic.

Sanders' substance, determination and common sense are what we like about him. His votes in Congress, on the Iraq War, for example, have proven what good, solid judgment he has. Hillary -- not the worst, but not as good as Bernie in that respect.

So we do not back Bernie because we believe in magic but because we believe that Bernie has the moral strength to represent us well and to achieve some if not all of the goals he has set out for himself.

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Why I cannot support Hillary Clinton [View all] IVoteDFL Jul 2015 OP

And as we all know ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #1

alternatively, we should just accept our crappy lot in life. corkhead Jul 2015 #2

No. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #14

Of course, nobody thinks that, you know. bvf Jul 2015 #46

Um... there were legions of those who DID think that of then-candidate Obama, too. calimary Jul 2015 #295

I lurked back then, joined in 2011. bvf Jul 2015 #303

Perhaps you could show us where the OP said that Bernie is going to right all wrongs? dflprincess Jul 2015 #52

+1 840high Jul 2015 #141

+1+1 C Moon Jul 2015 #178

+1+1 +1 emsimon33 Jul 2015 #197

What makes anyone think Hillary won't? Perseus Jul 2015 #220

lol are you suggesting that anyone who has anything negative to say about HRC is a Republican? IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #224

"rather have Hillary any time than any of the Republican prospects" Bubzer Jul 2015 #228

the money and power in the upper class in this nation has a strangle hold on this country Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #242

Being conscious during the last 30 years. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #265

+1 dflprincess Jul 2015 #292

+2... nt freebrew Jul 2015 #298

+3 . . . nt Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #407

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #301

+100000 J_J_ Jul 2015 #313

"the US and the world did very well during bill's tenure" heaven05 Jul 2015 #274

exactly! J_J_ Jul 2015 #314

+10000 JDPriestly Jul 2015 #405

'The US and the World did very well during Bill Clinton's tenure' passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #322

'The US and the World did very well during Bill Clinton's tenure' AlbertCat Jul 2015 #344

Where did I mention Hillary? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #349

mea culpa AlbertCat Jul 2015 #353

While the economy faired well under B.Clinton, he's the one who got rid of Glass-Steagall cui bono Jul 2015 #360

Yes and thank you IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #225

+1. Especially agree on your point about only lip service during the campaign. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #236

+1+1+1+1 L0oniX Jul 2015 #250

+100 heaven05 Jul 2015 #272

Ironically that is what Bernie said. zeemike Jul 2015 #54

And Obama said, "Yes, WE can." NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #99

Well your right about that, we did not hold his feet to the fire. zeemike Jul 2015 #123

Obama got his "feet held to the fire" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #156

I am curious to to what your activist creds are too. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #201

Please list your plethora of activist achievements, nance Scootaloo Jul 2015 #153

The only important credential ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #154

No, you're snarling at other people for "not pulling their weight." Show us what you've achieved. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #157

Whre was I "snarling at ogther people ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #161

This: Scootaloo Jul 2015 #165

That wasn't "talking down to people". NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #167

Apparently you are now required to disclose your entire life on a website. 7962 Jul 2015 #209

"I marched for ____" or "I organized for ____" or "I helped campaigns" is disclosing your life? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #267

she's built a fan club based on cutesy rhetorical flourishes! from canada! Maven Jul 2015 #297

Jury results Lordquinton Jul 2015 #324

we have DUERS from all over the country. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #341

Maple syrup for everyone! Lordquinton Jul 2015 #350

Mocking and abusive? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #343

Most of the alerts these days make no sense Lordquinton Jul 2015 #348

It's easier to silence people then make your case. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #351

You'd think the death of a loved one... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #361

Me too. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #364

ESPECIALLY after how kind DUers were to her... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #367

Nothing like kicking a person when they're down. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #370

I see Autumn addresses it rather eloquently downthread... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #372

Actually, I was active in my Democratic Club and organized JDPriestly Jul 2015 #186

Obama shitcanned OFA, and people drifted away. eridani Jul 2015 #192

That's the thing about Sanders AlbertCat Jul 2015 #345

There were a few other things that happenned within weeks Rilgin Jul 2015 #202

Well if you're gonna be picky.... tblue Jul 2015 #237

+1 LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #271

The War Crimes would have been brutally divisive Babel_17 Jul 2015 #289

The War Crimes would have been brutally divisive, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #346

No argument here, I was disgusted at our letting Iran Contra fade away Babel_17 Jul 2015 #355

Silly ...he was talking to the oligarchy who want trade deals. L0oniX Jul 2015 #251

For MANY of us... freebrew Jul 2015 #300

Well everytime people wanted to hold his feet to the fire we were met with 'because Republicans'. cui bono Jul 2015 #362

Not even worth responding to. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #363

And yet you did. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #365

No. I alerted you to the fact that I wouldn't be. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #368

So if I call you on the phone and tell you I'm not going to call you that means I didn't cui bono Jul 2015 #373

I responded to the fact of your having posted. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #374

Which would be a pretty stupid thing to do! cui bono Jul 2015 #375

What ev. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #376

If you were honest with yourself LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #389

I said the post wasn't worth responding to. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #391

And make sure that real Democrats are elected with him emsimon33 Jul 2015 #198

That is draw to having Bernie as the Nom artislife Jul 2015 #335

This is the key and Bernie knows it! It is time WE have to take an active part in our government. Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #213

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #256

AMEN Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #243

Wow, I thought that? corkhead Jul 2015 #63

Dripping with condescending goodness. 99Forever Jul 2015 #94

And not a scintilla of empathy from her either! Quite a heartless attitude. Divernan Jul 2015 #102

+1000 marym625 Jul 2015 #187

fuckin a frylock Jul 2015 #116

Maybe you should stop thinking passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #109

No, I'm sorry. That argument is no longer good enough. We cannot afford the status quo. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #177

Sanders says that himself on a daily basis--we need a mass movement or-- eridani Jul 2015 #190

A mass movement to get rid of paid off politicians; politicians voting against our well being. DhhD Jul 2015 #212

You REALLY need to stop telling people what they SHOULD think. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #204

That is why we in the lower classes need to work as a team but we need a leader Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #240

NT ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #244

Ruffled YOUR feathers, eh Nance? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #3

I just checked my feathers. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #18

Yet you were the first one to attack the op for having a different opinion and voicing it here. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #21

Well, if you think pointing out the obvious ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #24

Accusing the op of believing that Sanders "will magically change everything overnight" is an attack. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #25

An exactly where ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #26

Sorry, I edited, you accused me and other supporters of worshiping Sanders. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #31

Well, I think "magical thinking" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #33

As a proud atheist/skeptic I don't believe in magic or that Hillary is the best candidate. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #45

By all means ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #50

Where have I heard the phrase Magical thinking before? nt artislife Jul 2015 #62

They said we Obama supporters were guilty of it in 2008. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #85

I remember that too well artislife Jul 2015 #88

Or messiah? frylock Jul 2015 #120

Yep. Recycled right wing bullshit. morningfog Jul 2015 #142

Bernie supporters are not magical thinkers. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #189

and believing the candidate has the power to change nothing.... restorefreedom Jul 2015 #87

I cannot imagine ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #95

the discussion restorefreedom Jul 2015 #104

It's very simple Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #339

So what? n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #340

So what, what? n/t Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #342

Uhm... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #35

I seem to remember hearing the same thing about Obama being the Messiah London Lover Man Jul 2015 #37

Oh, yes, for many he WAS the Messiah ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #61

Yes, they were complaining they were betrayed because they WERE betrayed. Raksha Jul 2015 #249

BS heaven05 Jul 2015 #275

Can you see the US from your house? AlbertCat Jul 2015 #352

If you have a point ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #354

Boy you really didn't get it, did you? AlbertCat Jul 2015 #356

Yeah ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #357

Wow, I remember when it was the repubs who slung around that "messiah" word. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #79

The word isn't just from repubs, but it's always aimed from the right side of the candidate n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #90

Yes! That's where I've heard that before! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #91

It was Hillary's surrogates and supporters who started that meme in '07-'08. hedda_foil Jul 2015 #163

Hopefully it will be just as successful. artislife Jul 2015 #166

You said it, artie! hedda_foil Jul 2015 #170

I'll just bet your feathers got a little ruffled when people referred to Obama as the Messiah.. frylock Jul 2015 #117

Right. Straw men tend to loss people off. The only person who seems to say Bernie can fix it all is AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #241

Perfect Hillary response BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #5

Actually, it was the realistic response. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #9

So a person pours out his heart about his life struggles BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #11

So reality is a BAD thing now? NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #20

No... But It Would Be Nice For Once To Have A Candidate NOT IN BED With The 1% !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #30

And you should know better ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #41

+10000000 J_J_ Jul 2015 #316

Compassion is free BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #47

No BrotherIvan, compassion seems to be in short supply, in fact some people have Autumn Jul 2015 #89

It sucks BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #96

That wasn't a hard, cold dose of reality BrotherIvan Autumn Jul 2015 #100

Antithesis of Bill's "I feel your pain" Divernan Jul 2015 #222

I'm glad people were kind to you when you posted about the pain in your life. Autumn Jul 2015 #86

Thanks for saying what I was thinking, Autumn. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #121

To see such a lack of empathy and contempt for another Autumn Jul 2015 #126

It's evil. QC Jul 2015 #127

Not an ounce of compassion for what the poster is living through. Autumn Jul 2015 #135

3 minutes. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #128

I guess I am shocked Puglover Jul 2015 #231

I posted here about my husband's death ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #327

Yeah right. Autumn Jul 2015 #330

Exactly the reply expected. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #331

How's this then? Your post was just about what I have come to expect. n/t Autumn Jul 2015 #332

I'm sorry you are so disturbed by the facts. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #333

Your results: Sissyk Jul 2015 #336

Thanks for the results. Autumn Jul 2015 #337

Maybe the third time will be the charm. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #369

Your reality. Of course you're 840high Jul 2015 #144

One doesn't have to be "an expert" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #146

It depends on what reality you are talking about. The OP IS the reality for millions sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #320

that's a dumb statement. DesertFlower Jul 2015 #65

Wow, that was kind of a snotty remark tularetom Jul 2015 #13

Ar least we would have a President who would be bringing up Oldenuff Jul 2015 #15

If you believe that there is no difference ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #22

Did I mis the "magical" part in the OP? cause I sure don't think that was in there... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #49

Not magic, but the power of the people IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #64

So you think Hillary will? cui bono Jul 2015 #70

Will what? NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #92

Well, you've certainly won over everyone here bvf Jul 2015 #110

I never claimed to be able to read minds. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #113

Why don't you just tell me what I believe bvf Jul 2015 #118

Your link doesn't work. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #119

Perhaps if you weren't so quick to pounce. bvf Jul 2015 #122

So pointing out the fact ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #125

No, doing so within a mere 10 seconds makes you so. bvf Jul 2015 #132

I had been away from DU ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #136

Delete n/t. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #124

You think THAT response ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #131

What the poster stated isn't the issue. bvf Jul 2015 #138

"What the poster stated isn't the issue." NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #140

So then making that point about Sanders is... well... useless and somewhat hypocritical. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #358

Regardless Hillary Still Stinks As A Democrat billhicks76 Jul 2015 #105

I suppose the appropriate response here would be ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #108

There are quite a number of sad things in this OP artislife Jul 2015 #111

And you know something, artislife? You deserve it. senz Jul 2015 #155

Such nice words.....cheers artislife Jul 2015 #158

Hillary, as a Senator, fought for minimum wage hikes Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #233

Nope, She came out for $12. jeff47 Jul 2015 #273

I support the $12/hr bill, too. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #276

There's a large chasm between "showing support" and supporting $15/hr. jeff47 Jul 2015 #278

I think we learned that with Obama LostinRed Jul 2015 #112

Sadly, if elected, he will most likely be the most ineffective President of our lifetimes.... George II Jul 2015 #134

Thankfully, we don't. n/t NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #137

Your argument is that Hilary could pull Republican support? Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #210

Oh I'm sure she could dflprincess Jul 2015 #293

So, what Democrats would not support Bernie if elected? NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #214

"ZERO support of republicans and mixed support from Democrats" So, like President Obama? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #287

Naw, Nance its Clinton who will do all that madokie Jul 2015 #148

I'm a realist. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #150

Not a single democrat I've talked to yet says they'll vote for Hillary madokie Jul 2015 #160

I just find it rather ... "unbelievable" ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #164

Well believe it madokie Jul 2015 #168

Yeah, well ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #169

Anything else you'd like to say? madokie Jul 2015 #172

Oh, don't trouble yourself. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #173

Polls are only as good as the pollsters. NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #216

I know two. Dawgs Jul 2015 #219

I'm a democrat. I am voting for Hillary. Laser102 Jul 2015 #307

I didn't realize you lived near me, mybad madokie Jul 2015 #315

At least he will TRY, which is more than we can say for PatrickforO Jul 2015 #176

Bingo IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #218

Nance, that was just nasty. raven mad Jul 2015 #199

NanceGreggs..... democrank Jul 2015 #200

You seem to be the only person who "knows" that. LWolf Jul 2015 #232

It will be a hellva lot better than the present even if he has no magic Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #239

And as we all know ... Jackilope Jul 2015 #248

Who says that this isn't exactly what she has worked for. Especially for women. olegramps Jul 2015 #255

The women of Iraq and Libya are certainly grateful for her help in turning their countries-- eridani Jul 2015 #381

It's not magic. It's the right policy choices. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #261

Maybe you need to listen to Bernie's message. Avalux Jul 2015 #269

I get sarcasm, but this is a little extreme. davidthegnome Jul 2015 #279

Sounds like you are using the OP as a launching pad Babel_17 Jul 2015 #283

Bernie has said again and again... rbnyc Jul 2015 #286

That's what they said Obama would do in 2008 LynneSin Jul 2015 #294

No he won't. Nor has he or his supporters ever claimed that, in fact they and he sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #382

you just made his case restorefreedom Jul 2015 #4

Wow thank you. that is a high honor IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #221

definitely will help in a huge way imo. of course the voters need to hear from bernie restorefreedom Jul 2015 #229

Hillary is going to be our Nominee and our Next President. onehandle Jul 2015 #6

Was that really necessary? nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #16

Theres always that team Hillary sense of entitlement on display... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #28

Well, they likely also have NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #217

I'd hate to think SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #252

Diebold advantage, so that's why they feel they can be so flippant J_J_ Jul 2015 #317

They're not doing their candidate any favors MissDeeds Jul 2015 #211

I'm sure it's gotten bookmarked by many, Babel_17 Jul 2015 #284

Nice. Especially since, if true, she will immediately develop 'amnesia' about any progressive policy peacebird Jul 2015 #32

Well kenfrequed Jul 2015 #38

... Phlem Jul 2015 #68

um, thank you for your edict. magical thyme Jul 2015 #206

You make a good case. What I'd say is, all the reasons you listed are also reasons DanTex Jul 2015 #7

+1 SunSeeker Jul 2015 #149

Of course I think that Hillary is better than the Republican alternatives IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #227

so you think a republican will be better. DesertFlower Jul 2015 #380

I hear you BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #8

Very true lovemydog Jul 2015 #12

Bernie himself might not be able to change everything... But he looks to try to do what he can! cascadiance Jul 2015 #34

Very well said! As usual. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #73

Well said, and amen! historylovr Jul 2015 #175

No more business as usual. K & R! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #10

I understand what you're saying. lovemydog Jul 2015 #17

"I would LOVE to have a woman president, but I NEED Bernie Sanders." HappyPlace Jul 2015 #19

With every respect: You did not say why you cannot support Clinton. You Raine1967 Jul 2015 #23

At the end of the day I think that Hillary is better friends with corporations than people IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #66

I truly appreciate that answer. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #115

I like what I've heard from O'Malley as well IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #260

I'm thinking the same as you Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #245

You should have watched Hillary's town hall today. William769 Jul 2015 #27

Sadly she is speaking to the issues now, but I do not trust her to act on them if elected. She said peacebird Jul 2015 #36

Did you watch the town hall meeting? William769 Jul 2015 #42

The question is: Hillary is now sounding like Elizabeth and Bernie. Why should I trust her? peacebird Jul 2015 #51

So I take it the answer is no. William769 Jul 2015 #55

Assume much? peacebird Jul 2015 #57

You didn't answer me so I had no choice. William769 Jul 2015 #60

Because one town hall makes all the difference in the world!? Phlem Jul 2015 #78

Listening to a speech is not facts. rbnyc Jul 2015 #290

Umm, the OP wasn't talking about Glass Steagall. DanTex Jul 2015 #43

Hi Dantex, appreciate you pointing out something that has no relevence to what I posted. peacebird Jul 2015 #56

You're right, Glass Steagall is irrelevant here. Problem is, you were the one who brought it up. DanTex Jul 2015 #59

What does Hillary do for you that Bernie does not? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #67

Basically, I just don't think he can get elected. DanTex Jul 2015 #82

no Hillary supporter retrowire Jul 2015 #97

"I do not trust her to act on them if elected." SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #253

I promise I will watch it this weekend IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #77

Take care artislife Jul 2015 #107

Talk is cheap. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #81

Interesting how long it took her to discover the bread-and-butter issues. n/t senz Jul 2015 #162

so now Hillary prefers single payer over mandated private insurance? nt magical thyme Jul 2015 #208

As Obama so painfully demonstrated to us, there is a vast gulf between Maedhros Jul 2015 #263

You speak for millions !!! SamKnause Jul 2015 #29

No President is going to magically get anyone a raise. Sancho Jul 2015 #39

A major strength in Bernie's message is election reform. Fixing the Citizens United debacle is Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #72

Maybe... Sancho Jul 2015 #103

Hillary soonsored a bill that every time Congress got a raise so would the minimum wage would Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #40

I find it very strange that anyone thinks a retort of well one man or woman cannot wave a magic wand djean111 Jul 2015 #44

plus, y'know, Honduras, Libya, Pakistan, Syria MisterP Jul 2015 #48

Hillary strikes me as someone who really enjoys foreign military intervention. Maedhros Jul 2015 #264

I am very sorry for all that you and your family are going through. Marie Marie Jul 2015 #53

Hoping the nominee is one who takes abelenkpe Jul 2015 #58

I admit Flatpicker Jul 2015 #69

as a democrat i will DesertFlower Jul 2015 #76

Ok wow I didn't expect so many replies and I have to sleep! IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #71

I like your post a lot Depaysement Jul 2015 #74

K&R! Thank you, IVoteDFL. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #75

in other words HFRN Jul 2015 #80

Your story is like so many udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #83

support is one thing. voting is another. DesertFlower Jul 2015 #84

Yes this is personal. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers Autumn Jul 2015 #93

I don't know why HRC supporters don't get that onecaliberal Jul 2015 #98

This isnt the BU nor is it the HU its the DU but your welcome to support Bernie, meanwhile cstanleytech Jul 2015 #101

All the things we really need won't ever get done unless we have a majority dem Congress. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #106

Obama/Hillary colsohlibgal Jul 2015 #114

Thank you, but will you still here on DEMOCRATIC Underground if Clinton wins the nomination? George II Jul 2015 #129

K&R for pissing off most of the right people. QC Jul 2015 #130

They're rather easily pissed, aren't they? senz Jul 2015 #180

Very long, I'm afraid. QC Jul 2015 #193

Sorry to here of your troubles OP draa Jul 2015 #133

Welcome to DU. 840high Jul 2015 #145

Thanks draa Jul 2015 #151

How is Bernie going to get you the pay you want, when he can't get a single member of Congress to MADem Jul 2015 #139

Bernie's gone straight to the people. And so far, they (we) love him. senz Jul 2015 #159

He's gone straight to the people in red states--- he won't win in a general. MADem Jul 2015 #171

Good Lord. Rather high-handed and condescending, don't you think? senz Jul 2015 #179

Yes, when you started telling me what I could do, that's exactly what you were. MADem Jul 2015 #181

Don't bother, senz. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #182

Thanks, beam me up scottie. I really appreciate it. senz Jul 2015 #183

I wish someone would have warned me. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #184

So Democrats in Congress druidity33 Jul 2015 #203

If they aren't going to vote with him as a super-delegate, why would they vote with him as POTUS? MADem Jul 2015 #223

HRC or BIDEN never ever faux Dem Bernie underthematrix Jul 2015 #143

I too am all in for Bernie. JEB Jul 2015 #147

I am sorry for what you and too many others are going through, IVoteDFL. senz Jul 2015 #152

First I am so sorry about your diagnosis IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #235

Hi, IVoteDFL. senz Jul 2015 #396

Hi Senz IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #400

I'm sorry you're going through so much. historylovr Jul 2015 #174

Thanks. Excellent post. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #185

K&R! marym625 Jul 2015 #188

Look at it this way--she's still better than a Republican eridani Jul 2015 #191

Remember Hillarycare? 6chars Jul 2015 #194

Do you even know what the Hillarycare plan was? Rilgin Jul 2015 #207

Yes, I recall how the insurance industry took out ads supporting it 6chars Jul 2015 #246

research the history Rilgin Jul 2015 #305

not convinced 6chars Jul 2015 #310

both was interested n it at the time Rilgin Jul 2015 #334

I support a single payer option and as far as I know she does not IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #215

She has said that she does not Doctor_J Jul 2015 #308

I'm so sorry about what's going on in your life enigmatic Jul 2015 #195

I agree emsimon33 Jul 2015 #196

beautifully written! ellennelle Jul 2015 #205

Thank you, I will consider sending it along to PBO IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #257

You need a Democratic president more than a Republucan. yardwork Jul 2015 #226

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Jul 2015 #230

If (when) she wins the nomination and you still stand by your title above... George II Jul 2015 #234

Nah I live in MN IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #254

I am a woman and will only vote for Bernie Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #238

Bernie is just on ready to be President: but I am not voting for another white male anyway lewebley3 Jul 2015 #259

even if hillary is the nominee? does that DesertFlower Jul 2015 #378

Hillary is strongly in favor of increasing the minimum wage. lark Jul 2015 #247

Increasing if to what dollar amount per hour? Bernie is $15/hr.. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #262

I will vote for that candidate who best represents my views. Maedhros Jul 2015 #266

it's not a meme. it's the truth. back in '04 DesertFlower Jul 2015 #379

I will not be shamed, badgered or coerced into voting for a candidate that I do not want. Maedhros Jul 2015 #390

Uh...no. jeff47 Jul 2015 #277

Why I cannot support Sanders: WhyI can support Hillary as the leader of America lewebley3 Jul 2015 #258

I hardly think that serving on the US Senate is doing nothing IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #270

Hillary; has been involved in the polices of sharing: that is progressive lewebley3 Jul 2015 #296

If you can't get elected to the Senate in New York... rbnyc Jul 2015 #291

Beautifully stated, very insightful post. senz Jul 2015 #299

Thanks. rbnyc Jul 2015 #377

I cannot support Hillary either. azmom Jul 2015 #268

why I haven't left the fu**ing house yet PatrynXX Jul 2015 #280

I can't add to that, you put things in a perfect nutshell Babel_17 Jul 2015 #281

Can I ask how much you pay in health care? Reter Jul 2015 #282

I'm actually not sure yet IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #384

I cannot support HIllary because of 2008. Hatchling Jul 2015 #285

And for me it was Hillary's own behavior during the 2008 campaign. senz Jul 2015 #309

Oh please, it's called campaigning. Beacool Jul 2015 #398

Campaigning can be classy and honest. senz Jul 2015 #401

Anyone else finding this thread to affirm and validate their support for Sanders? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #288

Yes, this thread goes beyond the empty back-and-forth sniping senz Jul 2015 #302

I'm going to give you some serious life advice taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #304

"Your" baristas? senz Jul 2015 #323

I thought HRC said she'd raise the minimum to at least $12, and up to $15 Babel_17 Jul 2015 #326

Are you actually serious? IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #383

Maybe in your OP, where you said "I NEED Bernie Sanders"? taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #394

Every single working person in this country deserves a living wage IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #399

Unfortunately half the people here have their fingers in their ears Doctor_J Jul 2015 #306

Abortion rights are as close to a litmus test for me as anything I can think of. senz Jul 2015 #311

Bernie has always defended our right to choose. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #319

What's not to love about this guy? senz Jul 2015 #321

Absolutely nothing, senz. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #325

Thanks, beam me up scottie. senz Jul 2015 #397

Thank you for illustrating what these policies are doing to Americans J_J_ Jul 2015 #312

She voted for the illegal Bush war too. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #318

I'm sorry that you have such a hard life... Walk away Jul 2015 #328

Good tacticians picks their battlefields Babel_17 Jul 2015 #329

The Red hour --great clip nt artislife Jul 2015 #338

Well said. Corporatism is killing us. The working people of this country need Bernie. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #347

Cold cold ccccold artislife Jul 2015 #359

Don't approach this board believing everyone is "liberal." WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #366

Good advice nt artislife Jul 2015 #371

Believe me when I say that I am used to it IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #385

Don't envy, get it! artislife Jul 2015 #386

Wonderful! IVoteDFL Jul 2015 #387

One of the things I do to earn extra cash is pet sit artislife Jul 2015 #388

K&R J_J_ Jul 2015 #392

Yeah, because Sanders will wave his magic wand and poof, all will be well with the world. Beacool Jul 2015 #393

Imagine replacing Ginsburg with another Alito taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #395

The op relates a personal tragedy and asks for understanding and that's how you respond? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #402

It's not about a lack of compassion, it's about a reality check. Beacool Jul 2015 #403

Now you're saying the op doesn't know how the government works? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #404

Hey, vote for the candidate of your choice. Beacool Jul 2015 #408

That makes a lot of sense. nt Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #406