2016 Postmortem

Vattel

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93. I don't see the disagreement between Coates and Sanders that you do.

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:12 AM

Jul 2015

Obviously Sanders doesn't believe that racism is dead and neither does Coates. One thing I really like about Coates is that he recognizes the huge role that structural neglect in the inner city continues to have in disadvantaging blacks. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think any of the candidates are talking enough about the need to radically invest in poor inner city neighborhoods.

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We have overcome Racism, so says SCOTUS and Sanders. Ta-Nehisi Coates says no. [View all] sheshe2 Jul 2015 OP

... shenmue Jul 2015 #1

Thank you shenmue. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #5

You're welcome shenmue Jul 2015 #6

I think if you swap the word "overcome" with the word "UNCOVERED," we are closer to the damn mark! MADem Jul 2015 #2

Nailed it, MAdem. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #3

I believe this is a misrepresentation of his statement Trajan Jul 2015 #4

well put. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #7

Distorted. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #9

i think bernie recognizes restorefreedom Jul 2015 #11

I posted his words. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #8

And what do you believe he meant by these words, sheshe2? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #34

She meant that she thinks Bernie is a bubble headed idiot! Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #37

Now now, I want to hear what Sheseh2 thinks Scootaloo Jul 2015 #38

Ridiculing me was uncalled for. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #60

When someone makes a decision to deliberately misinterpret..... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #39

Deliberately misinterpret?!? Gee, ya think? kath Jul 2015 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author kath Jul 2015 #49

Huge +1! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #70

This poster has a history of telling lies about Sanders, and exploiting race in the process arcane1 Jul 2015 #155

posts like these have motivated me to defend Bernie virtualobserver Jul 2015 #157

Agreed, it's depressing, but it makes me want to work harder for the Truth. arcane1 Jul 2015 #159

what part of the country do you live in? n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #161

California n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #162

Texas, myself virtualobserver Jul 2015 #163

That's where we need people the most! arcane1 Jul 2015 #164

I think he does not have a clue sheshe2 Jul 2015 #46

What do you think he meant by what he said, sheshe2? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #47

Hey Scoot. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #62

Where did you answer? Which post? kath Jul 2015 #63

It's bullshit. And you didn't answer. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #102

You have been called out on this bullshit previously. TM99 Jul 2015 #45

Fucking AMEN BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #76

+1bazillion! marym625 Jul 2015 #135

+1000 blackspade Jul 2015 #150

+1000 arcane1 Jul 2015 #158

Agree & know in fact how Sanders often says we have made great strides to overcome racsim, bigotry, appalachiablue Jul 2015 #64

What a thoughtful and interesting post. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #79

A second attempt to paint Sanders as uncaring on race despite evidence to the contrary, all to appalachiablue Jul 2015 #127

It is extremely insulting, yes. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #128

Thats so nice Scottie, just doing what I can. ~ To return to the poster, who wants appalachiablue Jul 2015 #133

I don't think the author would want to be used in such a way. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #134

Well-said arcane1 Jul 2015 #160

I saw no shred of an "accusation" in the OP. Did I misread it? George II Jul 2015 #103

Yes, but it's a helpful canard for certain people trying to push a certain candidate. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #115

A dishonest criticism of Sanders? On DU? arcane1 Jul 2015 #123

How do you know he didn't complete his statement? George II Jul 2015 #130

I've had enough of your nonsense Trajan Jul 2015 #131

OOOOOEWWWWeee.. He's "had enough of your nonsense"! Cha Jul 2015 #138

It was a deliberate lie. Just like their hidden post about militias arcane1 Jul 2015 #153

Guess Coates was right. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #10

Deflecting... kath Jul 2015 #51

No, of course, you're not "deflecting", she. Right on point. Cha Jul 2015 #140

Thanks you are right, not deflecting, Cha. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #142

This post makes me want to post negative stuff about Hillary Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #12

Right, because nothing negative about Hillary is being posted in GD-P... stevenleser Jul 2015 #13

Hey~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #14

We get it. Bernie is a racist. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #17

And the ref calls it...illegal substitution on the field... stevenleser Jul 2015 #19

OMG! sheshe2 Jul 2015 #28

LOL nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #36

We get it. Bernie is a racist. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #40

Upon further review, the refs initial call stands. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #42

We get it. Bernie is a racist. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #54

Refer to Refs decision in post #19 nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #56

We need a new ref. A ref is supposed to be neutral. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #58

You report, and let us think we decided. You're my favorite Fox News personality. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #94

The fallacy ref throws two flags on you here, ad hominem and ergo decedo stevenleser Jul 2015 #96

Nice photos, Steve. Thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #97

You earned 'em, you might as well enjoy 'em. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #98

Besides, Bernie's been on Fox more than I have. I guess this means you wont vote for him now? stevenleser Jul 2015 #104

Your smiley has a little tic. Get that looked at. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #106

Bernie's a guest, just like me, just a more frequent one. Guess you will have to think of something stevenleser Jul 2015 #108

That's right, Steve. I have problems velco-ing my shoes in the morning. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #110

That would not surprise me. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #111

All the good will you have generated over the years here Trajan Jul 2015 #146

I should care about this one sided opinion why exactly? You say nothing about the mean spiritedness stevenleser Jul 2015 #147

This is getting boring but it will get your post count up George II Jul 2015 #105

Odd behavior isn't it? Insisting someone said what they clearly didn't say. On a forum where all stevenleser Jul 2015 #107

The odd behavior is the deliberate misinterpretation of Bernie's words virtualobserver Jul 2015 #113

Nope. I didn't opine on that one way or the other in my posts here. See my #13 above stevenleser Jul 2015 #114

Yes, because someone with 23,000+ posts needs to pad their count frylock Jul 2015 #124

Bueno! Cha Jul 2015 #139

lol KMOD Jul 2015 #32

Maybe you could post some positive Hillary stuff. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #35

deflection Vattel Jul 2015 #90

Of what? nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #100

Totally. NOTHING negative about Hillary is being posted ANYWHERE here!!! calimary Jul 2015 #121

In Nov '08, I knew Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #149

Actually it was a quote. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #16

Do you not understand the concept that WE as a nation had jumped from being Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #27

racism and bigotry are still alive and well KMOD Jul 2015 #41

We see examples of racism, violent and deadly racism, almost daily. George II Jul 2015 #109

No. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #43

Why did he not just say that? Because he is assuming we are intelligent enough to get it. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #53

Thank you for injecting some reason into the discussion. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #73

It would be nice if he took it more seriously. KMOD Jul 2015 #80

This is right thank you Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #57

Me too Enthusiast Jul 2015 #72

We get it. You think Bernie is a racist. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #15

No, you don't get it, LA. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #20

There are several POC DU members that support Bernie. You are ignoring their position. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #31

There are only several AfAm sheshe2 Jul 2015 #61

What she just said BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #77

+1 Ignorance and arrogance are such bad companions. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #122

Who is the poster talking about? Puglover Jul 2015 #88

+1000 marym625 Jul 2015 #95

So if we don't post in the clubhouse, TM99 Jul 2015 #91

Apparently. Bernie not caring about race 2.0- more of the preposterous, offensive and appalachiablue Jul 2015 #126

here we go again frylock Jul 2015 #18

Bernie has issues w/framing some of his ideas. But in the quote you refer to- KittyWampus Jul 2015 #21

Kitty. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #24

Okay, my interpretation of his quote is different. In any case, interesting article. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #26

We have made progress toward overcoming racism but still have a ways to go. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #29

"You assume what he meant, and are interpreting it to what you believe it means. " frylock Jul 2015 #116

this is how i see it also , my criticism of Sanders is more on campaign strategy/framing etc JI7 Jul 2015 #48

I don't think Bernie has any issues with framing his ideas. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #65

Ding ding ding ding kath Jul 2015 #67

It is pretty obvious, isn't it? nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #68

It's very obvious to me. Thank you. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #74

Not to mention that he actually said "we are far from eradicating racism" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #71

Yes he would, it is right out of his play book. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #78

Here's a link to the thread: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #81

ty nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #82

+1 Bernie's an excellent communicator and a powerful, effective speaker. It's just scouring his appalachiablue Jul 2015 #136

Can someone please explain to me how... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #22

Cause the OP'er put the name "Sanders" in the thread title. I wish she hadn't�. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #23

Wow I completely overlooked that. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #25

posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #30

Looking forward to later, then. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #66

I guess we live in a post-racism and post-context world. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #33

Pluuus one! nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #75

Whole lot of abyss gazing going on here.. frylock Jul 2015 #125

Only to those who haven't felt the slavery their own color creates. Woulld surely make me move...n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #44

"Sanders Backs Voting Rights Bill " JI7 Jul 2015 #52

Bernie Sanders: "WE ARE FAR FROM ERADICATING RACISM" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #55

"Hard working people...white people" - Hillary Clinton HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #59

Ugh........really. nt nc4bo Jul 2015 #83

Kick and rec zappaman Jul 2015 #69

The comments below The Banter article are interesting. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #84

Mahalo for the heads up on that, Su.. Very Interesting! Cha Jul 2015 #141

John Roberts gutted the Voting Rights Act based on a lie that racism was no longer around Gothmog Jul 2015 #85

Bernie Sanders, June 18, 2015: "We are far from eradicating racism" Scuba Jul 2015 #86

Posted that quote and others in a new thread: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #87

Excellent op as usual she. K&R. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #89

These posts trying to paint Bernie as racist always remind me of Obama's anti gay evangelist filled Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #92

One does not negate the other. What LGBT endured in the period you describe doesnt mean stevenleser Jul 2015 #112

so you think this post is fair to Sanders? Vattel Jul 2015 #118

I try to be cautious about telling discriminated-against minorities what to think about stevenleser Jul 2015 #120

Like your friend I truly believe Bernie's heart is there, he was a member of SNCC randys1 Jul 2015 #129

And you see just in the last few days there has been a change. stevenleser Jul 2015 #148

You evaded my question, which was about a specific post by someone who is white. Vattel Jul 2015 #144

No, I gave two very specific answers about it. Re read what I wrote. Nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #145

I don't see the disagreement between Coates and Sanders that you do. Vattel Jul 2015 #93

I likeTa-Nehisi Coates. I like Bernie Sanders. Why are you trying to put them at odds? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #99

You're using the Daily Banter madokie Jul 2015 #101

that quote of Bernie's isn't exclusive to the Banter bigtree Jul 2015 #117

I actually love the Daily Banter. Cha Jul 2015 #137

thank you heaven05 Jul 2015 #119

Front and center is sheshe2 Jul 2015 #132

Excellent articles. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #143

Giving Senator Sanders equal billing with the Roberts Court is pretty damned low. KeepItReal Jul 2015 #151

The OP also used a twice-banned DU troll to lie about Sanders on race arcane1 Jul 2015 #156

More half truths from a supporter of the chosen candidate of the wealthiest white 1%, Zorra Jul 2015 #152

Why do you keep telling lies? Sanders said no such thing. arcane1 Jul 2015 #154