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2016 Postmortem

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Algernon Moncrieff

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Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:12 PM Jul 2015

WaPo: Bernie Sanders isn’t Barack Obama, and 2016 isn’t 2008 [View all]

Complete article at LINK

It may be tempting to compare the race between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to the epic race between Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama: Sanders, like Obama, has consolidated a good portion of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. Sanders, like Obama, is raising millions from small-dollar donors on the Internet. Sanders, like Obama, is channeling the anger and frustration of some in the party. Then, it was about the Iraq war; now, it’s about Wall Street.

But that’s where the similarities end. From the perspective of someone who worked on his campaign and in his White House, it’s clear that Obama’s race against Clinton is not a useful example. Understanding the dynamics at play in the 2016 primaries requires looking further back at history. And unfortunately for Sanders, history shows that there are only two types of Democratic insurgent candidates: Barack Obama and everyone else.

The current system for selecting nominees in the Democratic Party is less than 50 years old. After the disastrous 1968 campaign and nominating convention in Chicago, the party abandoned the smoke-filled rooms of yore and shifted to a series of primaries and caucuses. The 1972 nomination went to the grass-roots favorite, Sen. George McGovern (S.D.), who used the new rules to edge out establishment picks Hubert Humphrey and Henry “Scoop” Jackson. (McGovern won only Massachusetts and the District of Columbia in the general election against Richard Nixon.) In nearly every election since then, an anti-establishment figure has sought the nomination.

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and 2016 is NOT 1972. nt m-lekktor Jul 2015 #1
But Hillary Clinton is still the same. nt artislife Jul 2015 #2
She is? I thought the accusation around here is that she changes. Which is it? George II Jul 2015 #13
Never, ever changes her loyalty to her zentrum Jul 2015 #24
Well, that's odd. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #14
Bernie's certainly sticking to his guns. Cha Jul 2015 #31
Yes, I understand he is. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #32
Pun intended? MoonRiver Jul 2015 #41
This is at the link, too.. Mahalo Algernon.. Cha Jul 2015 #3
Thanks. I couldn't make the .jpg link work Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 #6
No worries. Cha Jul 2015 #8
Heh! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #15
Actually Hillary is not the same.. she's evolved like a lot of people do over the years.. myself Cha Jul 2015 #4
Obama is one of a kind. Iliyah Jul 2015 #9
That he is, Iliyah! Cha Jul 2015 #10
Exactly, Cha. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #17
Precisely backatcha, she. Hillary has done so much of that and I love her for it. The same Cha Jul 2015 #25
And myself included as well, Cha. calimary Jul 2015 #22
Or even 8 years, calimary.. The reason our country has any dire straights is because of Cha Jul 2015 #29
This is why our country is so totally fucked up, and on the fast track to third world Zorra Jul 2015 #5
Good. And also.... if you don't mind my pointing it out..... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #7
And, p.s., Obama and his team barely pulled that one out. So any way that Bernies stevenleser Jul 2015 #11
Also PBO was leading among African Americans 9-1 not trailing among them 36-1* DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16
Right.. Dan Pfieffer is only President Obama's former senior advisor & current Communications Cha Jul 2015 #30
K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #12
... Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #18
Bernie sure isn't Obama. SoapBox Jul 2015 #19
Thank goodness Bernie Sanders isn't Barack Obama. I could not stand to be tricked again. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #20
Tricked? Agschmid Jul 2015 #33
Uh-huh. Well whatever you call it it won't happen to me again. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #38
yes, what we need is more Scoop Jackson Dems! MisterP Jul 2015 #21
True. There will NEVER be another like Obama. I already miss him and wish he didn't have to leave. freshwest Jul 2015 #23
Historians will look back and say "It's a miracle he got anything done." Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 #26
I agree about Obama. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #36
And the WaPo is not the WaPo of Ben bradlee and Katherine Graham HERVEPA Jul 2015 #27
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #28
The comparison would be unfair, so I agree with him on that davidpdx Jul 2015 #34
None of them are Barack Obama Renew Deal Jul 2015 #35
The long and short of it is that Sanders can't win, but he can help Clinton lose. ucrdem Jul 2015 #37
Maybe people should explain in detail their candidate's great policies and how they will help GoneFishin Jul 2015 #39
Correct Bernie Sanders ISN'T Barack Obama 99Forever Jul 2015 #40
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