2016 Postmortem

zappaman

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107. Of course not.

Reply to sufrommich (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:07 PM

Jul 2015

The OP just made that up.

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Bernie Spends 0 on Polling, Hillary Spends $900k. Bernie Doesn't Need Polling [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2015 OP

I`ve never understood this polling business. democrank Jul 2015 #1

That's not what campaigns use internal polls for. sufrommich Jul 2015 #4

Well you just said the same thing. zeemike Jul 2015 #12

There's a structural science to running a national sufrommich Jul 2015 #13

Oh I know it's true. zeemike Jul 2015 #24

One person's "manipulative and controlling" is another person's "responsive to my concerns and MADem Jul 2015 #51

And if all you want it talk that is all you will get. zeemike Jul 2015 #65

No--it's about targeting the message to the audience, and there's nothing wrong with that. MADem Jul 2015 #69

It's not the talk that matters it is the actions. zeemike Jul 2015 #83

That is true--people who talk and talk and talk about what they see as "wrong," but who have no path MADem Jul 2015 #84

No there is nothing wrong with polling, it's a tool. zeemike Jul 2015 #90

You do know that internal polls are generally not released or published? MADem Jul 2015 #93

It has nothing to do with evil motives. zeemike Jul 2015 #99

So now, responding to voter concerns is "marketing." MADem Jul 2015 #101

So being rude to you is expressing my ideas which conflict with yours? zeemike Jul 2015 #109

You're not being rude to ME. Not in the slightest! MADem Jul 2015 #113

Did you object when Obama used polling? Frances Jul 2015 #102

I don't want a president that agrees with me on every issue. zeemike Jul 2015 #105

Sen Sanders has been saying the same message over and over for years. It doesn't matter rhett o rick Jul 2015 #152

If "it doesn't matter to him who his audience is" then he'll have trouble in the big wide world. MADem Jul 2015 #153

When you tell the truth, it doesn't matter who your audience is. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #163

If your "truth" is "guns are good" and "the F-35 is a swell airplane" then YES, it DOES matter. nt MADem Jul 2015 #164

Faulty logic davidpdx Jul 2015 #172

But Vermont IS homogenous. I think you'd do well to pull the string on the conversation. MADem Jul 2015 #176

I grew up in a fairly homogeneous area davidpdx Jul 2015 #182

Sorry, can't do that. There's always a way, but it's often a difficult path. And the older one MADem Jul 2015 #184

Thanks, I knew you wouldn't answer davidpdx Jul 2015 #187

Don't ask questions that can't be answered, then. That kind of repartee is terribly lame. MADem Jul 2015 #188

No, it could be answered davidpdx Jul 2015 #190

I answered it--you just didn't like the answer. MADem Jul 2015 #191

This is naive in the extreme. Arkana Jul 2015 #62

Yes I know, I am too idealistic. zeemike Jul 2015 #67

Please explain how speaking to one's audience Arkana Jul 2015 #68

OK I will try. zeemike Jul 2015 #76

Just speaking for myself.... daleanime Jul 2015 #72

Well I give you credit for at least knowing yourself LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #116

Well I believe the unexamined life is not worth living. zeemike Jul 2015 #117

I agree with you. the_sly_pig Jul 2015 #169

It's nice to have a response with agreement...thanks. zeemike Jul 2015 #174

Exactly right they use polls to measure positive and negative responses to their message. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #18

Here's a reason to use polling... brooklynite Jul 2015 #29

I sometimes feel like this when I read GD/P: sufrommich Jul 2015 #35

That encapsulates a certain segment perfectly. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #49

Love that!! redstateblues Jul 2015 #70

I agree-modern campaign organizations use a host of tools to get to voters Gothmog Jul 2015 #86

+a million tammywammy Jul 2015 #95

Nailed it. zappaman Jul 2015 #106

But....but....but!!! MADem Jul 2015 #156

I find it stupefying how a Hillary Clinton supporter would dismiss social media davidpdx Jul 2015 #173

No one is dismissing it, but it ain't ALL that. MADem Jul 2015 #175

Yes for older people, but it was getting out younger people in 2008 davidpdx Jul 2015 #181

I wasn't "mocking social media." I was mocking the POV that it's the be-all and end-all, and MADem Jul 2015 #185

Yes, you were davidpdx Jul 2015 #186

No, I wasn't. Anyone can read what I wrote. MADem Jul 2015 #189

Talk about twisted-pretzel logic davidpdx Jul 2015 #192

The topic of this thread is about internal polling for the 2016 elections. MADem Jul 2015 #193

And we've never seen THAT happen before, have we? MADem Jul 2015 #59

bla,bla haydukelives Jul 2015 #159

a lot of Bernie's supporters... quickesst Jul 2015 #6

The Clinton campaign isn't paying for the polls we see in the media, sufrommich Jul 2015 #8

I wondered about that quickesst Jul 2015 #22

Your difficulty PATRICK Jul 2015 #40

You rarely see the true internal polls done by the candidates Gothmog Jul 2015 #87

Of course not. zappaman Jul 2015 #107

I've yet to see a poll that favors Sanders. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #46

well said quickesst Jul 2015 #61

You think an elected representative has no need to know what Americans think? (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #7

Yes but they might not win. Polling is about winning. When polls showed supporting same-sex marriage PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #44

And why did the American people change their minds on this issue? eridani Jul 2015 #150

Exactly. They changed public opinion by their activeness. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #151

That's a shame. It was the right thing to do but polls caused them not to it. Too bad sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #179

Candidates, when elected, represent 100% if their constituency, not just those who voted... George II Jul 2015 #60

Not true. There are different ways to express what your policies are, pnwmom Jul 2015 #140

You've got to know what the score is Gman Jul 2015 #2

He is very serious about winning this race. He does not need to know sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #121

It's not about changing the message. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #129

Polling could let him know whether people are accurately HEARING his message. pnwmom Jul 2015 #141

There is a limit to his issues Gman Jul 2015 #146

Bernie's views are the views of most Americans. daybranch Jul 2015 #3

That's true. Bernie doesn't need polling. onehandle Jul 2015 #5

Crap like this makes me worry that Bernie ... Adrahil Jul 2015 #9

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2015 #88

Hillary doesn't need polls. She's got her orders from this country's Overloads and will.. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #10

"overloads" is actually a good term for them MisterP Jul 2015 #110

they actually require the polling to make the case for how messages are crafted nashville_brook Jul 2015 #132

This is yet another reason to be concerned about Bernie as our nominee. DCBob Jul 2015 #11

Because he doesn't have to stick his finger in the wind to know where he stands? 99Forever Jul 2015 #14

No.. but he needs to know whats going on in the minds of the electorate... DCBob Jul 2015 #16

That's the difference between Bernie and Hillary. 99Forever Jul 2015 #20

I think he knows Vermont-type people very well, but beyond that, I dont think so. DCBob Jul 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #27

Ignorance is bliss. DCBob Jul 2015 #28

Ahhh, did I penetrate your DC bubble and touch a nerve? 99Forever Jul 2015 #31

DC bubble?? DCBob Jul 2015 #37

You seriously think you are going to order me around? 99Forever Jul 2015 #38

This^^^^ ybbor Jul 2015 #56

Wait Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #80

+1,000! MADem Jul 2015 #115

+1 Well said. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #97

It's too bad when all they have are personal insults. Cha Jul 2015 #71

I guess you don't know about our Brunches with Bernie every Friday.. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #66

Flying blind? When his crowds keep on getting larger and SheilaT Jul 2015 #42

So plez be specific. On which issues do you think he isn't in tune with the public? nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #180

And we have exhibit A. Adrahil Jul 2015 #30

Polls are propaganda tools, nothing more, nothing less. 99Forever Jul 2015 #33

And more proof. Adrahil Jul 2015 #39

Another major difference between Bernie and Hillary. 99Forever Jul 2015 #41

Yeah, and he has a unicorn horn too! nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #52

You tell us... Agschmid Jul 2015 #55

Bernie doesn't need "advisors"? zappaman Jul 2015 #108

There you are again. I love it when you kick my threads! sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #155

Agreed Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #47

Yeah, Bernie doesn't need things like "polls" Arkana Jul 2015 #63

Well 12, 000 people in a RED STATE tonight, don't agree with you! Looks like sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #160

Ron Paul pulled crowds that size too. Arkana Jul 2015 #161

No, he didn't but Barack Obama did. En Garde Jul 2015 #168

Actually he did. zappaman Jul 2015 #170

By your own source, Ron Paul never drew 10,000 and over -- much less two weeks in a row. En Garde Jul 2015 #171

I don't think he doesn't believe in polling. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #19

His supporters claim he doesn't need polling. DCBob Jul 2015 #21

Well it fits a narrative, but I don't see it as a bad thing bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #26

And for some reason, being honest somehow implies Arkana Jul 2015 #64

It musta been .... MAGIC!!!!! MADem Jul 2015 #154

He doesn't need to spend any money on polling because moobu2 Jul 2015 #15

So basically you're saying, the fix is already in the software? NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #135

In the software? ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #167

Establishment relics are unable to address changes on the go FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #17

This right here.. frylock Jul 2015 #112

Maybe that explains why he's losing so badly. DanTex Jul 2015 #23

Right? It seems like some WANT to lose the White House. Polling is a normal part of politics. If Metric System Jul 2015 #34

Bernie is not an idiot Stuckinthebush Jul 2015 #36

At this point PATRICK Jul 2015 #43

Running mate? No way. Hillary will go younger, and west. MADem Jul 2015 #162

On the same one where not caring is a winning strategy, I guess? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #144

Some people have no respect for the sacred principle... RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #32

That could explain why Bernie isn't included in some polls hootinholler Jul 2015 #45

Newest meme wafting through Facebook this morning artislife Jul 2015 #48

X'er here too... London Lover Man Jul 2015 #120

I'm a boomer Dem_in_Nebr. Jul 2015 #133

I'm an old pre-boomer geezer, Paka Jul 2015 #166

Those hedge fund titans know how to influence public opinion. Hillary is good for business. En Garde Jul 2015 #50

The sage pair of advice ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #53

Random statistics analysis or demographic analysis....or money, who needs those to win the WH? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #54

Candidates ALWAYS run their own internal polls, but.... George II Jul 2015 #57

Two Clintons in hand are better than one Bernie in the bush...it is as simple as that. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #58

I'm sure Bernie will use polling later in the campaign cycle. bluedigger Jul 2015 #73

Kicking and feeling the Bern! marym625 Jul 2015 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author JI7 Jul 2015 #75

And notice he still leads DU polls and pro Sanders threads get more recs JI7 Jul 2015 #77

Is this for real? Agschmid Jul 2015 #85

No. I'm 99% sure that poster was joking. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #94

Okay cause I literally can't at this point... Agschmid Jul 2015 #96

Yes, exactly. He doesn't need polls at this point, he knows he has to get his name sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #139

Actually he does poll iandhr Jul 2015 #78

Sanders is smart. He sees now that there are polls on du and other JI7 Jul 2015 #81

polling is for jocks olddots Jul 2015 #79

Hillary isn't afraid of the results, she is polling higher than the GOP and other candidates running Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #82

As a voter, I have never based a vote on polls, and I never will. LWolf Jul 2015 #89

The political naivete is strong with this one. Really strong. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #91

We're talking about someone who claimed Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #119

Par for the course zappaman Jul 2015 #123

I forgot about that one... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #137

Yeah that was a memorable one. zappaman Jul 2015 #138

You ain't seen nothin yet! zappaman Jul 2015 #148

a politican who doesn't poll is like a teacher who doesn't evaluate his or her class dsc Jul 2015 #92

Polling is vital Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #98

How will he know what positions to take today? pa28 Jul 2015 #100

That could be the difference between $45 million, $15 million or $2 million. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #103

So? zappaman Jul 2015 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #114

Sanders may be wise enough to save money on polling this early BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #118

^This!^ SoapBox Jul 2015 #127

“There go my people, I must find out where they are going so I can lead them.” Babel_17 Jul 2015 #122

With and army of advisors and pollsters and technicians, Clinton can't answer simple question whereisjustice Jul 2015 #124

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #125

This thread really exposes the people who have little knowledge of how campaigns work. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #126

Apparently internal polling is now a bad thing. zappaman Jul 2015 #128

"He doesn't need pollling" is the happy twin of "He doesn't need SUPERDELEGATES!" MADem Jul 2015 #158

Well, you could twist that to say Clinton is a job provider. valerief Jul 2015 #130

Polls aren't necessary when you know you have no chance at the nomination. tritsofme Jul 2015 #131

Bernie doesn't want polling Sheepshank Jul 2015 #134

As you say, a poll can "let a candidate know if their messaging is clear and understood." pnwmom Jul 2015 #142

Well I can only surmise.... Sheepshank Jul 2015 #149

Bernie also spends next to nothing on staff & consultants 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #136

He doesn't have to spend money on staff the way Hillary does, we are all so willing sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #147

Well, he had BETTER start thinking about staff and organization. Adrahil Jul 2015 #183

He might be saving money not doing polls now, but if he runs in the General he needs to do them. pnwmom Jul 2015 #143

As a result of Clinton's polling silenttigersong Jul 2015 #145

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #178

$300,000 a MONTH??? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #157

Good thing she has all that money, Paka Jul 2015 #165

MSM = Misanthropic Sycophant Monsters, speech coaches, smoke & mirror experts, Monsanto, on and on . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #177