2016 Postmortem

PatrickforO

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105. Sorry Don Viejo, I think you've got it wrong. What is really happening is the good guys (us) are

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:43 AM

Jul 2015

falling once again for the old divide and conquer strategy. You know, the one that's been used against working people by big money for centuries.

Since the RootNet debacle, I'd say it's working pretty good.

I mean, most Americans are boiling with anger over a bunch of issues - racism, poverty, crushing student loan debt, privatization of prisons, low minimum wage, health care, sucky employers that have no idea what family friendly even means, womens' reproductive rights and the right to access abortions, wars that won't end, domestic spying, police brutality, youth unemployment, high incarceration rates, 'free' trade agreements that cost America millions of jobs, union busting, pension rip offs, wealth inequality, women not earning as much as men, crumbling roads and bridges...

And we have a candidate, Bernie Sanders, who is out there talking about this stuff. In fact, he's the ONLY one we've had talking about this stuff since the Kennedys, and that was clear back in 1960 and then tragically in 1968.

So now we have this massive internecine battle on here about how Bernie isn't talking enough about racism...

So I'm not gonna vote for him, you know.

Bottom line, the big capitalists that have been picking all our pockets and pitting us against each other for centuries now must be real proud of us. Getting a good chuckle. Because once again, we're letting ourselves get divided so that we can continue to be conquered and exploited - nickel and dimed for everything until about 400 people on earth have ALL the money and ALL of us are their slaves.

Cause that's what they want. It really is. Slave labor for their factories, docile workers who are dumb enough to allow what SHOULD be their unflagging dislike of the billionaires and capitalists be diverted to hatred and mistrust of each other.

If we allow this to happen, knowing better, then we will truly deserve the neoliberal capitalist hell hole this earth will become.

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White progressives get a taste of anger & frustration as #BlackLivesMatter activists upstage Bernie [View all] DonViejo Jul 2015 OP

Watch the videos. madfloridian Jul 2015 #1

The videos support the account in the OP. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #2

He said if they didn't want him there it was OK. Skwmom Jul 2015 #34

lol Vattel Jul 2015 #46

Here's What Bernie Really Said over the din of the Protesters in Answer! KoKo Jul 2015 #47

Duplicate Post......Delete KoKo Jul 2015 #49

I can remember a few months ago when Sanders supporters were delighted... brooklynite Jul 2015 #3

Uh, the audience liked him just fine. Watch the videos. jeff47 Jul 2015 #11

You can hear them clapping nt artislife Jul 2015 #22

Conspiracy theories for 100, Alex... brooklynite Jul 2015 #28

And there's about 10x more posts saying she benefited without causing it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #35

They Loved Bernie's replies...and they even "paused out" of their chants to listen! KoKo Jul 2015 #58

You missed watching the above Video from the Netroots Conference re: Bernie KoKo Jul 2015 #56

nope, and that's Americans today, including Duers in growing numbers elehhhhna Jul 2015 #78

The Black Lives Matters demonstration should have been given the respect JDPriestly Jul 2015 #112

Clearly you didn't watch the video. He receied numerous applause. arcane1 Jul 2015 #126

actually my complaint was how they treated O'Malley when they wouldn't let him answer their question magical thyme Jul 2015 #141

Bernie has come full circle in a way. Decades ago he'd be the one causing a stir�. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #4

Good for them. mmonk Jul 2015 #5

While we laugh at the Republicans with their "clowns car" question everything Jul 2015 #6

I wish there was video of this part. I've only seen the part with O'Malley. Black lives matter acts freshwest Jul 2015 #7

what we need is dialogue bigtree Jul 2015 #8

Cannot find a video. All I've been able to find is a Bernie supporter channel with an announcement freshwest Jul 2015 #12

Well...you could look in this very forum... jeff47 Jul 2015 #14

So now they blame Bernie who has worked for people his whole career. madfloridian Jul 2015 #25

They made asses of themselves. Protesting the people who are fighting for them. RiverLover Jul 2015 #9

So what was gained? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #10

I would like to applaud the #BlackLivesMatter activists. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #13

Bursting the bubble of the only two candidates who have actually been talking about their issues. jeff47 Jul 2015 #15

White progressives at the conference were the ones who got their bubbles popped Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #18

So you are saying you're glad "white progressives" got their bubbles popped? madfloridian Jul 2015 #21

That's where the DINOs are at right now Doctor_J Jul 2015 #39

Yes, we can all be equal in abject poverty. jeff47 Jul 2015 #23

What good is being able to buy a hamburger Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #26

You might want to look up who said the quote before claiming they don't get it. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #27

Racial equality has to come first IMO Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #30

No, we need both. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32

No...racial equality has to be prioritized first. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #36

And without economic equality, racial equality is meaningless. jeff47 Jul 2015 #44

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #51

Yes, I think prioritization means we lose on both. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #54

No Democratic candidate AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #99

Well said jeff47... AOR Jul 2015 #68

Bullshit AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #97

But racial equality can only be legislated to a certain point, then racial JDPriestly Jul 2015 #113

Can't eat a hamburger when you're broke, either Scootaloo Jul 2015 #77

Right so handing the economy over to the oligarchs will AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #100

+1 appalachiablue Jul 2015 #122

Weird AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #96

Will you be clapping romanic Jul 2015 #82

Why would anyone in their right mind heckle someone who agrees with them? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #94

I'm thinking Hillary wouldn't run out on them.. she would definitely stay and listen to their Cha Jul 2015 #95

If Hillary was speaking AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #103

Sanders did not run out on them. TM99 Jul 2015 #118

You didn't watch the video, obviously. Sanders didn't "run out" on anyone. arcane1 Jul 2015 #127

Yep all the "white progressives" needed to be brought down a notch or so. madfloridian Jul 2015 #16

I don't think there are any winners today. nt beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #17

I think Bernie could have responded better. Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #19

He tried to speak about it over the pushy host and the loud protestors. madfloridian Jul 2015 #20

The whole thing is just regrettable. Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #24

You missed the VIDEO of Bernie's Answers to the "BLM" HERE: KoKo Jul 2015 #59

When he tried to answer the question they demanded he answer AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #108

I agree with you to an extent. Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #142

Yeah, 'cause shouting down INVITED speakers Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #29

I support the protests by #BLACKLIVESMATTER activists. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #31

Yes, being oppressed via poverty is so much better. jeff47 Jul 2015 #33

They are being shot down in the streets. Me, Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #38

And if you shoot them because they're in "the poor neighborhood" instead jeff47 Jul 2015 #45

They are being shot because they are black. Black means they have much higher unemployment Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #48

And again, if they are shot because they are poor, are they not as dead? jeff47 Jul 2015 #52

They are not being shot because they are poor. They are shot becasue they are black. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #61

Reading. You really need to try it sometime. jeff47 Jul 2015 #124

We are white Sheepshank Jul 2015 #69

You can't get social justice without it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #125

I am black. ariesgem Jul 2015 #131

Uh, both Sanders and O'Malley have been addressing it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #132

Way more die due to lack of educational and economic opportunity than die from being shot Vattel Jul 2015 #50

The lack of education and economic opportunity are due to racism, because they are black. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #62

I think you are missing something here. Vattel Jul 2015 #63

Economic inequality is not the cause of racism. Their economic inequality is a symptom of racism. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #64

I am not sure we really disagree, but maybe we do. Vattel Jul 2015 #67

I think I agree with most of what you say. Thise are big problems that define us as a nation. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #70

I really don't think we should address one first. We need to fight a multi-front war. Vattel Jul 2015 #73

Right...because the modern slave trade... AOR Jul 2015 #74

Your willingness to make up facts Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #110

The "bankruptcy of facts"... AOR Jul 2015 #128

Your economic argument is bullshit. It is white privaledge that caused these problems. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #134

Your response is completely devoid... AOR Jul 2015 #136

We suffer from institutionalized racism. I stand with #BLACKLIVESMATTER and Civil Righs for all. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #137

Do you think the leftists don't ? AOR Jul 2015 #138

Gladly. I think we have more in common than in conflict. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #139

Cheers... AOR Jul 2015 #140

I agree with you on the importance of Black Lives Matter, but do you think JDPriestly Jul 2015 #115

They should have been given a respected place in the agenda of the meetings, JDPriestly Jul 2015 #114

I watched the live stream of that exchange. Bernie DID respond to the protestors, and as he was napi21 Jul 2015 #37

That IS all they want to do Doctor_J Jul 2015 #41

.... 840high Jul 2015 #60

Strange they would attempt to embarrass one who's been fighting for them for 50 years Doctor_J Jul 2015 #40

Sounds to me like Sen Sanders and to a lesser extent O'Malley, made a tactical error tularetom Jul 2015 #42

The response to this breaks down this way: HRC supporters are gloating. The rest of us are appalled. leveymg Jul 2015 #43

Yeah that about sums it up. MoveIt Jul 2015 #123

Wouldn't Bernie be our second nonwhite President? DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #53

Depends on how you define Jews. jeff47 Jul 2015 #57

When JFK was born the Irish weren't entirely "white" (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #66

I know some Jews who don't like to be called white. DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #72

assinine post. bernie did fine. Vattel Jul 2015 #55

first time I've feared a Republican victory since 04 carolinayellowdog Jul 2015 #65

O'Malley handled it like someone ready for the national stage. Bernie? Not so much. He seems to Metric System Jul 2015 #71

A politically foolish move by BLM. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #75

I thought protesting was what they were supposed to do. bravenak Jul 2015 #76

Do You agree with the bullshit 'Bernie and white progressives are racists' meme delrem Jul 2015 #79

No. But I think white progressives have a big fucking blind spot. bravenak Jul 2015 #81

I'm "white", I consider myself "progressive", delrem Jul 2015 #85

bravenak doesn't even like Hillary , it has nothing to do with hillary JI7 Jul 2015 #86

And that's why Hillary and her supporters, not being anywhere close to "progressive", delrem Jul 2015 #88

there are many posts by bravenak critical of Hillary JI7 Jul 2015 #89

So? delrem Jul 2015 #90

you tried to make this out to be some pro hillary thing when it's not about that JI7 Jul 2015 #92

Don't lie. HRC supporters invented it and are all over it. delrem Jul 2015 #102

bravenak does not support or even like hillary JI7 Jul 2015 #104

I know. delrem Jul 2015 #109

I wasn't talking about you in partucular. bravenak Jul 2015 #87

Just about "white progressives" in general. delrem Jul 2015 #91

The ones who don't get that black lives are more important than pretty speeches. Yeah. Them. bravenak Jul 2015 #93

Do you really think (white) progressives (like me) don't get that black lives are more important delrem Jul 2015 #101

I think they have a blind spot and I already said not you in particular. bravenak Jul 2015 #106

I hadn't seen that thread bravenak. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #98

Thank you. This is stressing me out I think. bravenak Jul 2015 #107

This. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #120

We have discussed this already. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #116

I think they are getting attention to their cause very effectively. bravenak Jul 2015 #117

We have to elect a President who takes these problems seriously for once. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #80

Yeah they sure showed them romanic Jul 2015 #83

I am in Phoenix and I want to share my thoughts on this. TM99 Jul 2015 #84

O'Malley wasn't afforded as much time by the protesters to respond as Sanders was bigtree Jul 2015 #111

I blame the moderator TM99 Jul 2015 #119

Sorry Don Viejo, I think you've got it wrong. What is really happening is the good guys (us) are PatrickforO Jul 2015 #105

If the Sander campaign had paid attention to the movement's tweets.... MohRokTah Jul 2015 #121

"At times he plunged on, talking over the protesters as if they weren�t there." NaturalHigh Jul 2015 #129

I think Bernie is just a victim geography RandySF Jul 2015 #130

"White progressives" as a term really bothers me Prism Jul 2015 #133

Very important that white progressives be made angry and frustrated? madfloridian Jul 2015 #135

upstage? Not even close seveneyes Jul 2015 #143