2016 Postmortem

Babel_17

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148. Something like this was going to happen

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:17 AM

Jul 2015

It's happened and can be judged for what it was. That it was more about drowning out the speakers, and not allowing them to talk before the time for answering questions, was not a win for that small group and their advocates. It's been noted that at that venue there were lots of forums for their voices to be raised, and they had access to asking for more if they were inclined to organize it.

We're left with the optics of it not being about their right to be heard, but their asserting a right to drown others out, and take away their chance to speak.

An utter fail by the moderator and the organizers, and I see them as having been more concerned for getting publicity for themselves. And they deliberately engineered that happening by enabling their invited speakers to be the victims of some political theater.

That's a totally uncool thing to do with friendly guests, and I hope it's strongly remembered and bites them in the ass. The media has a sweet tooth for these kinds of attention grabbers who play the game too cute. They will be there for their respective falls from grace.

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When Hillary Clinton Gave a Talk at a Black Church and Insulted BLM [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2015 OP

You think what happened to Bernie at Netroots Nation was a political dirty trick? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #1

Vince Foster and Chris Stevens planned it for Hillary years ago ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #3

Hillary Is An Anathema To Freedom And Goodwill billhicks76 Jul 2015 #107

It doesn't matter who orchestrated it. It's who benefits that should concern us most leveymg Jul 2015 #5

She did not show up at the event because the last time she was there in 2007, they boo'ed her. still_one Jul 2015 #29

And the other person who benefits is....Lincoln Chafee, who didn't show up either? brooklynite Jul 2015 #78

OMG! NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #87

Gotta wipe off my computer screen... calimary Jul 2015 #106

Yes. and to O'Malley. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #6

Who do you think orchestrated this "political dirty trick"? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #17

Don't think you'll get an answer to that one. George II Jul 2015 #61

We will, eventually. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #69

Why play games. You said you know how/why/who. Where is it? George II Jul 2015 #71

And???? When is "eventually"? George II Jul 2015 #108

How about that stupid host? jwirr Jul 2015 #76

This is performance art, right? zappaman Jul 2015 #41

It has to be! This is heading into black helicopter territory. R B Garr Jul 2015 #112

I think Netroots Nation should be avoided by all Liberal Candidates sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #121

"Political dirty trick" zappaman Jul 2015 #2

I expect that reaction, but since I know a whole lot more about this than you, I am sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #7

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #10

I always love it when posters pretend that political strategists don't exist. As if Karl Rove GoneFishin Jul 2015 #23

Yes, and the pretend OUTRAGE now is amusing. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #27

Its's fun to laugh at rightwingers who vote against their own best interests, but the Democratic GoneFishin Jul 2015 #40

DK is Third Way/DLC its founder a Republican who worked for Henry Hyde sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #53

I see many signs that the addage "... and keep your enemies closer " is taken very seriously by the GoneFishin Jul 2015 #72

The aim of of conservadems is to destroy the party or transform it into something abhorrent. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #99

Conservadems! nt artislife Jul 2015 #124

"judging our "friends" by who has a D after their name, rather than their policy stances, is kath Jul 2015 #118

Bernie responded to the situation very well. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #97

He responded horribly. I thought he was Mr. Town Hall. R B Garr Jul 2015 #120

He had just watched part of the way O'Malley was treated. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #131

Well, Hillary wasn't there, so no rational person is blaming her. R B Garr Jul 2015 #143

Sorry, sheshe2 Jul 2015 #130

See my post #131. Black Lives Matter should have been given a time to JDPriestly Jul 2015 #133

Agreed. We need to remember that it wasn't Sanders first rodeo Babel_17 Jul 2015 #149

This morning when I woke up I realized how the crisis giving rise to Black Lives Matter, JDPriestly Jul 2015 #165

Good post, you have me thinking of an article at Salon Babel_17 Jul 2015 #166

Yes. We need to be awakened to compassion, not to dissension. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #167

Which DK partner was indicted and convicted? MH1 Jul 2015 #142

+1 You nailed it a shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #95

Something like this was going to happen Babel_17 Jul 2015 #148

Well if you know a lot more about this than "us", why not share it with "us"? George II Jul 2015 #64

right? I know secret stuff, trust me. uh, no. elehhhhna Jul 2015 #81

Oh, there, there, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #127

I suppose you haven't noticed the "Bernie doesn't care for minorities" meme floated here recently? leveymg Jul 2015 #8

They have, it's a talking point, a Rovian tactic and they know exactly what it is. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #32

It's a Rovian tactic all the way. We know it when we smell it. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #101

Love ya sabrina, but gotta echo Cali_Democrat here... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #4

I am entitled to my opinion, which is based on years of watching and sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #9

Except you stated it as a fact. zappaman Jul 2015 #12

I stated an informed opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #15

And you said you KNOW more than anyone about this. "KNOW" isn't an opinion, but...... George II Jul 2015 #73

Yes, I do. Are you questioning that? I know that the Karl Rove sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #77

So what is it that you've been dancing around and hinting over and over again? George II Jul 2015 #80

Apparently it's only a 'dark secret' to you. But then, maybe you are new to all this. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #85

It must be a "dark secret" to me, since you've said you know more than any of us... George II Jul 2015 #92

This is well-known tactic. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #100

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #110

I got a song that ain't got no melody.. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #114

It's an ongoing tactic attempting to pass off opinions as fact.. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #96

And you nailed it. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #102

Yes you are, but I'd surely like to see something backing it up. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #20

I'd like to see something backing up the Rovian attacks on Bernie. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #38

As would I, and I've been pecking at those people too. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #57

They do NOT 'go silent' no matter how wrong they are proven to be. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #65

+100% Enthusiast Jul 2015 #104

+1 -every day, all day... canoeist52 Jul 2015 #144

It's definitely a talking point. I went to talk to the guy who led that interruption sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #158

Now it is an opinion? sheshe2 Jul 2015 #75

As they say.... George II Jul 2015 #83

They just teasing us, George II~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #84

It was widely known that HRC wouldn't show. Which is why there was no danger she'd be splattered leveymg Jul 2015 #11

If that's the case Bernie has big problems LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #48

This incident makes the internet meme clear. If dirty tricks blow-back at HRC, this will give Bernie leveymg Jul 2015 #62

It's not that she "wouldn't show", it's that she had a previous speaking engagement.... George II Jul 2015 #89

It's absolute nonsense. Hillary hasn't gone to Netroots since 2007 when she was heckled there. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #21

+++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2015 #34

Jesus Christ Enthusiast Jul 2015 #105

+a million tammywammy Jul 2015 #126

"it's totally disrepectful to the demonstrators and dismissive of the anger they feel." Number23 Jul 2015 #136

In 2007, the last time she was at the event she was boo'ed, so it is not surprising that she still_one Jul 2015 #31

So, do Clinton supporters here applaud the courage and honesty of the 2007 booers? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #35

I wish I wasn't too lazy to look up old threads :) arcane1 Jul 2015 #63

Yes, I think some are being teleported now to the scene. R B Garr Jul 2015 #115

so, what you are doing here isn't contributing anything to the BLM cause bigtree Jul 2015 #13

I have watched the despicable attacks on Bernie Sanders, the Rovian implications sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18

We see it. zappaman Jul 2015 #42

I'm sure you do! You never disappoint, I rely on you for confirmation sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #82

... Agschmid Jul 2015 #14

Didn't you pretend to be a Bernie supporter until people called you out sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #22

That's my quote in support of Bernie being taken out of context. I was speaking about BLM chanters GoneFishin Jul 2015 #28

This is woo. And a tad childish. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #16

Woo is the nasty Rovian attacks on Sanders coming from Hillary's sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #24

No, woo is you making that statement with zero evidence to back it up. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #68

No, Woo is exactly what I said it is. Nasty lies coming from sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #74

Wait. You made up a story about Hillary's involvement in this. R B Garr Jul 2015 #90

Yes shenmue Jul 2015 #168

IN the context of speaking at an African American church, All Lives Matter is a blow-off eridani Jul 2015 #19

Yes, and right here on DU, many of her supporters did not get that. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25

Hillary was not going to show up no matter what. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #26

And I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks. I was there and I sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #43

You think they won't confront Hillary? gwheezie Jul 2015 #30

The 'movement' wasn't there. There was a group there and if you have read the emails sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #46

Both Tia Oso and Patrisse Cullors were there. sufrommich Jul 2015 #60

I watched the videos, and it sure looked LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #33

This had nothing to do with Hillary. They boo-ed her the last time she attended in 2007. The still_one Jul 2015 #39

You don't know any more about what happened LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #47

In the videos it sure seemed that way, and you are right I don't know what really happened. Has still_one Jul 2015 #51

I haven't seen anyone yet. LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #66

Bernie doesn't connect with poc, he blows it with black lives matter.... Sheepshank Jul 2015 #36

Your comment confirms my opinion, thank you for that. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49

As does your OP confirm mine. N/T Sheepshank Jul 2015 #52

Your opinion, considering your participation in spreading false sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #56

And as usual you persist in presenting opinion as if it were fact. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #58

What false issues am I spreading regarding Bernie? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #109

Doing threats now? 99Forever Jul 2015 #145

I'm calling out a lie...where is there a threat? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #155

I agree with Hillary, all lives matter, none more than others. Hillary has bren a long time Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #37

Ohmygod. Tone deaf much? "All lives matter"?? Have you not been paying attention? kath Jul 2015 #122

It was cool when HRC said it whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #154

Why would one life matter any more than others? The same complaint the BLM group is complaining Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #164

Oh please... Gman Jul 2015 #44

So is Bernie's and O'Malley's. Bernie supporters have not questioned Hillary's sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #111

Please, there was an OP here last week Gman Jul 2015 #134

That OP was a take off on all the others that were posted here sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #135

"And yes, I can back up everything I am saying here and MORE." zappaman Jul 2015 #45

You have a problem with that statement? Or do you just like to play sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #50

Kick so people can see how funny this is! zappaman Jul 2015 #55

Thanks, now why you don't you go kick my other thread where sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #103

If you can back this up, do it. But you can't, apparently. kwassa Jul 2015 #98

Back what up? Were you around when Netroots Nation began, remember what it used sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #129

Not a surprise. zappaman Jul 2015 #132

QUICK, LOOK OVER HERE! Metric System Jul 2015 #54

"Being the decent person" Bernie is, he WOULD immediately dismiss anyone oasis Jul 2015 #59

"So is it any wonder that if her campaign was made aware of the planned 'demonstration'...... George II Jul 2015 #67

And I thought that the Right were the only ones pushing conspiracy theories. Beacool Jul 2015 #70

For the record, BLM was dissatisfied with that answer from Mr. O'Malley. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #88

Yes. And they were not satisfied with that same answer from HRC. kath Jul 2015 #125

Kicked SoapBox Jul 2015 #79

And sorry, but this looks pretty shallow Gman Jul 2015 #86

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #91

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #113

+ an entire shitload Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #116

I generally like your posts. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #138

That's okay Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #141

Jury results tammywammy Jul 2015 #117

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #123

GD-P has been a source of some SPECTACULAR fail and GLORIOUS flame outs today. Number23 Jul 2015 #137

I'm not sure what you're saying. Hillary was heckled there, so somehow she aligned with her hecklers pnwmom Jul 2015 #93

Go Bernie! JDPriestly Jul 2015 #94

Something is missing here aspirant Jul 2015 #119

I am in Phoenix and I want to share my thoughts on this. TM99 Jul 2015 #128

Thank you. djean111 Jul 2015 #139

+1 dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #146

Nucleus of an article there! But it's perfect as is. Babel_17 Jul 2015 #150

HRC may have not been involved, but I believe some in her organization was. LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #152

Excellent post, thank you. I agree with everything you said. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #163

introducing... quickesst Jul 2015 #140

How's the saying go? Never attribute to malice ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #147

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Jul 2015 #151

Hillary was not invited. That is why she did not show up. And no political campaign Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #153

50 million American households watch RT, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #156

LOL! zappaman Jul 2015 #157

Just the facts Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #161

You sound very upset, Thanks for kicking this thread. And calm down sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #160

Not upset at all. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #162

WOW! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #159