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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
132. Uh, both Sanders and O'Malley have been addressing it.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

Sanders talked about it the previous night. And several other times during this campaign. Heck, Sanders has a lovely speech on the floor of Congress in 1991, when "get tough on crime" was ascendant saying that this was a bad idea and would fuck over PoC. Back when such a stand was politically unpopular.

O'Malley started his time in Baltimore with the same tough-on-crime bullshit, and has since had a change of heart. That he has talked about repeatedly.

In fact, both of their "canned speeches" include it. Both have released specific plans for what they want to do.

You know who hasn't interrupted their canned speech to offer more than platitudes, and has not released anything specific? Clinton. Where's your shouting at her?

You know who could actually do something about it TODAY? Obama, Lynch and everyone else in the Obama administration. Where's your shouting at them?

Many black folks will NEVER achieve "economic justice" with heavy handed police tactics in our cities

You won't get social justice alone. Without economic justice, economic oppression replaces racial oppression. Not to mention racism is being used as a tool by the wealthy to keep poor whites from rebelling against them, so the social justice battle is much, much harder without a simultaneous economic battle.

You wave a magic wand and remove economic oppression. Black people are still being shot and otherwise criminally repressed.

You wave a magic wand and remove racism. You still can't get a decent job. You still can't get decent housing. You still can't get a living wage. Because poverty still takes those away.

We need both. Working on either one alone means we lose on both. Fortunately, we aren't morons and can work on both at the same time.

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Watch the videos. madfloridian Jul 2015 #1
The videos support the account in the OP. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #2
He said if they didn't want him there it was OK. Skwmom Jul 2015 #34
lol Vattel Jul 2015 #46
Here's What Bernie Really Said over the din of the Protesters in Answer! KoKo Jul 2015 #47
Duplicate Post......Delete KoKo Jul 2015 #49
I can remember a few months ago when Sanders supporters were delighted... brooklynite Jul 2015 #3
Uh, the audience liked him just fine. Watch the videos. jeff47 Jul 2015 #11
You can hear them clapping nt artislife Jul 2015 #22
Conspiracy theories for 100, Alex... brooklynite Jul 2015 #28
And there's about 10x more posts saying she benefited without causing it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #35
They Loved Bernie's replies...and they even "paused out" of their chants to listen! KoKo Jul 2015 #58
You missed watching the above Video from the Netroots Conference re: Bernie KoKo Jul 2015 #56
nope, and that's Americans today, including Duers in growing numbers elehhhhna Jul 2015 #78
The Black Lives Matters demonstration should have been given the respect JDPriestly Jul 2015 #112
Clearly you didn't watch the video. He receied numerous applause. arcane1 Jul 2015 #126
actually my complaint was how they treated O'Malley when they wouldn't let him answer their question magical thyme Jul 2015 #141
Bernie has come full circle in a way. Decades ago he'd be the one causing a stir…. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #4
Good for them. mmonk Jul 2015 #5
While we laugh at the Republicans with their "clowns car" question everything Jul 2015 #6
I wish there was video of this part. I've only seen the part with O'Malley. Black lives matter acts freshwest Jul 2015 #7
what we need is dialogue bigtree Jul 2015 #8
Cannot find a video. All I've been able to find is a Bernie supporter channel with an announcement freshwest Jul 2015 #12
Well...you could look in this very forum... jeff47 Jul 2015 #14
So now they blame Bernie who has worked for people his whole career. madfloridian Jul 2015 #25
They made asses of themselves. Protesting the people who are fighting for them. RiverLover Jul 2015 #9
So what was gained? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #10
I would like to applaud the #BlackLivesMatter activists. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #13
Bursting the bubble of the only two candidates who have actually been talking about their issues. jeff47 Jul 2015 #15
White progressives at the conference were the ones who got their bubbles popped Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #18
So you are saying you're glad "white progressives" got their bubbles popped? madfloridian Jul 2015 #21
That's where the DINOs are at right now Doctor_J Jul 2015 #39
Yes, we can all be equal in abject poverty. jeff47 Jul 2015 #23
What good is being able to buy a hamburger Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #26
You might want to look up who said the quote before claiming they don't get it. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #27
Racial equality has to come first IMO Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #30
No, we need both. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32
No...racial equality has to be prioritized first. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #36
And without economic equality, racial equality is meaningless. jeff47 Jul 2015 #44
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #51
Yes, I think prioritization means we lose on both. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #54
No Democratic candidate AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #99
Well said jeff47... AOR Jul 2015 #68
Bullshit AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #97
But racial equality can only be legislated to a certain point, then racial JDPriestly Jul 2015 #113
Can't eat a hamburger when you're broke, either Scootaloo Jul 2015 #77
Right so handing the economy over to the oligarchs will AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #100
+1 appalachiablue Jul 2015 #122
Weird AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #96
Will you be clapping romanic Jul 2015 #82
Why would anyone in their right mind heckle someone who agrees with them? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #94
I'm thinking Hillary wouldn't run out on them.. she would definitely stay and listen to their Cha Jul 2015 #95
If Hillary was speaking AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #103
Sanders did not run out on them. TM99 Jul 2015 #118
You didn't watch the video, obviously. Sanders didn't "run out" on anyone. arcane1 Jul 2015 #127
Yep all the "white progressives" needed to be brought down a notch or so. madfloridian Jul 2015 #16
I don't think there are any winners today. nt beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #17
I think Bernie could have responded better. Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #19
He tried to speak about it over the pushy host and the loud protestors. madfloridian Jul 2015 #20
The whole thing is just regrettable. Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #24
You missed the VIDEO of Bernie's Answers to the "BLM" HERE: KoKo Jul 2015 #59
When he tried to answer the question they demanded he answer AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #108
I agree with you to an extent. Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #142
Yeah, 'cause shouting down INVITED speakers Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #29
I support the protests by #BLACKLIVESMATTER activists. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #31
Yes, being oppressed via poverty is so much better. jeff47 Jul 2015 #33
They are being shot down in the streets. Me, Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #38
And if you shoot them because they're in "the poor neighborhood" instead jeff47 Jul 2015 #45
They are being shot because they are black. Black means they have much higher unemployment Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #48
And again, if they are shot because they are poor, are they not as dead? jeff47 Jul 2015 #52
They are not being shot because they are poor. They are shot becasue they are black. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #61
Reading. You really need to try it sometime. jeff47 Jul 2015 #124
We are white Sheepshank Jul 2015 #69
You can't get social justice without it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #125
I am black. ariesgem Jul 2015 #131
Uh, both Sanders and O'Malley have been addressing it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #132
Way more die due to lack of educational and economic opportunity than die from being shot Vattel Jul 2015 #50
The lack of education and economic opportunity are due to racism, because they are black. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #62
I think you are missing something here. Vattel Jul 2015 #63
Economic inequality is not the cause of racism. Their economic inequality is a symptom of racism. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #64
I am not sure we really disagree, but maybe we do. Vattel Jul 2015 #67
I think I agree with most of what you say. Thise are big problems that define us as a nation. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #70
I really don't think we should address one first. We need to fight a multi-front war. Vattel Jul 2015 #73
Right...because the modern slave trade... AOR Jul 2015 #74
Your willingness to make up facts Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #110
The "bankruptcy of facts"... AOR Jul 2015 #128
Your economic argument is bullshit. It is white privaledge that caused these problems. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #134
Your response is completely devoid... AOR Jul 2015 #136
We suffer from institutionalized racism. I stand with #BLACKLIVESMATTER and Civil Righs for all. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #137
Do you think the leftists don't ? AOR Jul 2015 #138
Gladly. I think we have more in common than in conflict. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #139
Cheers... AOR Jul 2015 #140
I agree with you on the importance of Black Lives Matter, but do you think JDPriestly Jul 2015 #115
They should have been given a respected place in the agenda of the meetings, JDPriestly Jul 2015 #114
I watched the live stream of that exchange. Bernie DID respond to the protestors, and as he was napi21 Jul 2015 #37
That IS all they want to do Doctor_J Jul 2015 #41
.... 840high Jul 2015 #60
Strange they would attempt to embarrass one who's been fighting for them for 50 years Doctor_J Jul 2015 #40
Sounds to me like Sen Sanders and to a lesser extent O'Malley, made a tactical error tularetom Jul 2015 #42
The response to this breaks down this way: HRC supporters are gloating. The rest of us are appalled. leveymg Jul 2015 #43
Yeah that about sums it up. MoveIt Jul 2015 #123
Wouldn't Bernie be our second nonwhite President? DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #53
Depends on how you define Jews. jeff47 Jul 2015 #57
When JFK was born the Irish weren't entirely "white" (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #66
I know some Jews who don't like to be called white. DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #72
assinine post. bernie did fine. Vattel Jul 2015 #55
first time I've feared a Republican victory since 04 carolinayellowdog Jul 2015 #65
O'Malley handled it like someone ready for the national stage. Bernie? Not so much. He seems to Metric System Jul 2015 #71
A politically foolish move by BLM. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #75
I thought protesting was what they were supposed to do. bravenak Jul 2015 #76
Do You agree with the bullshit 'Bernie and white progressives are racists' meme delrem Jul 2015 #79
No. But I think white progressives have a big fucking blind spot. bravenak Jul 2015 #81
I'm "white", I consider myself "progressive", delrem Jul 2015 #85
bravenak doesn't even like Hillary , it has nothing to do with hillary JI7 Jul 2015 #86
And that's why Hillary and her supporters, not being anywhere close to "progressive", delrem Jul 2015 #88
there are many posts by bravenak critical of Hillary JI7 Jul 2015 #89
So? delrem Jul 2015 #90
you tried to make this out to be some pro hillary thing when it's not about that JI7 Jul 2015 #92
Don't lie. HRC supporters invented it and are all over it. delrem Jul 2015 #102
bravenak does not support or even like hillary JI7 Jul 2015 #104
I know. delrem Jul 2015 #109
I wasn't talking about you in partucular. bravenak Jul 2015 #87
Just about "white progressives" in general. delrem Jul 2015 #91
The ones who don't get that black lives are more important than pretty speeches. Yeah. Them. bravenak Jul 2015 #93
Do you really think (white) progressives (like me) don't get that black lives are more important delrem Jul 2015 #101
I think they have a blind spot and I already said not you in particular. bravenak Jul 2015 #106
I hadn't seen that thread bravenak. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #98
Thank you. This is stressing me out I think. bravenak Jul 2015 #107
This. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #120
We have discussed this already. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #116
I think they are getting attention to their cause very effectively. bravenak Jul 2015 #117
We have to elect a President who takes these problems seriously for once. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #80
Yeah they sure showed them romanic Jul 2015 #83
I am in Phoenix and I want to share my thoughts on this. TM99 Jul 2015 #84
O'Malley wasn't afforded as much time by the protesters to respond as Sanders was bigtree Jul 2015 #111
I blame the moderator TM99 Jul 2015 #119
Sorry Don Viejo, I think you've got it wrong. What is really happening is the good guys (us) are PatrickforO Jul 2015 #105
If the Sander campaign had paid attention to the movement's tweets.... MohRokTah Jul 2015 #121
"At times he plunged on, talking over the protesters as if they weren’t there." NaturalHigh Jul 2015 #129
I think Bernie is just a victim geography RandySF Jul 2015 #130
"White progressives" as a term really bothers me Prism Jul 2015 #133
Very important that white progressives be made angry and frustrated? madfloridian Jul 2015 #135
upstage? Not even close seveneyes Jul 2015 #143
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