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TM99

(8,352 posts)
39. Having been fooled before don't let your fear
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jul 2015

and inability to actually listen to what he has said, to what he has proposed, and to what he has and is doing cause you to be foolish and choose the candidate that will most certainly fool you again.

After all, the Clintons and other New Dems have a long history of campaign lies & rhetoric followed up by broken promises and disastrous governance.

His rally in Phoenix was hugely diverse, and yet that is ignored. That's your first mistake assuming it is just mostly white aspiring middle-class supporters that are attending these.

Your second mistake is divorcing Wall Street, the TPP, from the minimum wage from immigration, equal education, women's equity, etc. Sanders does not and has not separated those out like you are doing. He does not equate economic and social justice BUT he does say that we can and must work on both at the same time. We can not legislate racism, bigotry, or sexism away. But we can change how we police our cities. We can reduce black youth unemployment and incarceration levels. We can pass a Federal non-discrimination bill that will protect LGBT workers. We can give our young an affordable if not free education like all other nations strive to do.

He speaks to all of the things you list from full support for the Dream Act (remember Clinton wanted to deport the children!), pay equity for women and men, tuition free education for ALL, family rights (yup big LGBT marriage supporter before it became popular!), and reforming our police departments.

Your third and final mistake is the assumption that lots of Americans don't care about the things you listed. In fact, African Americans considered them in the top 5 for the 2014 election.

http://www.blackenterprise.com/news/top-5-political-fights-2014-america-obama-congress/

Education, job creation, and the minimum wage were 3, 4, and 5 respectively. Sanders has supported all of those and continues to do so.

So sorry to burst your bubble but no, social justice was not in the top five. Immigration reform is as much an economic issues as it is a social issue, and Obamacare is about health care.

It is not an either/or but we the people get it that we can do both together at the same time. We also get that since the 1980's for sure, economic equality and security have been ignored so that a very small percentage of Americans have while the rest either have not or struggle to have the basics at all.

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Big time. The clueless supporters are making it worse by being so paternalistic and bitter. bravenak Jul 2015 #1
BINGO! BooScout Jul 2015 #2
I love berniesoblack. bravenak Jul 2015 #3
lol BooScout Jul 2015 #13
This is the gist of it BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #4
He needs their votes more than they need him. bravenak Jul 2015 #6
+1 n/t Triana Jul 2015 #51
Sanders has never said that if you fix economic inequality Vattel Jul 2015 #5
And Hillary skipped the gathering. NealK Jul 2015 #7
Why don't you try being accurate for a change? BooScout Jul 2015 #9
If she had been at that gathering she would have been heckled too. NealK Jul 2015 #16
It's not that he was heckled... BooScout Jul 2015 #20
"To tell mother's whose children are dying in the streets to sit down and be quiet" NealK Jul 2015 #23
Watch the video... BooScout Jul 2015 #31
no he did not AnAzulTexas Jul 2015 #41
he watched them disrespect their own leader, by refusing to let O'Malley answer the question they magical thyme Jul 2015 #37
No shit. That should tell Bernie supporters that maybe sufrommich Jul 2015 #30
Ya think? BooScout Jul 2015 #62
Hillary's "fail" didn't cost her as much... Sancho Jul 2015 #11
"she gets a pass when she makes a mistake" NealK Jul 2015 #14
Primaries bring out candidates weaknesses... Sancho Jul 2015 #8
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #18
Having been fooled before don't let your fear TM99 Jul 2015 #39
Unfortunately I live it... Sancho Jul 2015 #71
I was born in TN, TM99 Jul 2015 #76
Quick question: gregcrawford Jul 2015 #10
Do you honestly not see what you're doing when you sufrommich Jul 2015 #32
What a bullshit line of attack. blackspade Jul 2015 #12
His supporters lecturing black folks on his history is losing him support. bravenak Jul 2015 #15
You're misunderstanding. blackspade Jul 2015 #22
Everybody already knows it. We hear it day after day like a mantra. bravenak Jul 2015 #26
Who is "everybody?" blackspade Jul 2015 #54
We all know it. I got repeated so much this weekend I don't think there anybody who pays attention bravenak Jul 2015 #55
So your point is what? blackspade Jul 2015 #57
Your lectures suck to black people. Even if you are black and lecturing, other black people will bravenak Jul 2015 #58
Who is lecturing here? blackspade Jul 2015 #60
See you around. bravenak Jul 2015 #61
I'll be here. blackspade Jul 2015 #63
More explanatory?? Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #67
You're piling on, why? blackspade Jul 2015 #68
I have a real aversion Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #70
You have not engaged me at all. blackspade Jul 2015 #72
but what about the present??? BooScout Jul 2015 #17
No need for hyperbole. blackspade Jul 2015 #28
If they want answers and dialogue, maybe shouting down candidates at an event... Triana Jul 2015 #47
Sanders and O'Malley have every right to be confronted, it was the mode of attack. Vinca Jul 2015 #19
We can disagree as to the appropriateness of Bernie's response to the ambush, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #21
+1 NealK Jul 2015 #24
+1 n/t Triana Jul 2015 #48
+1000 blackspade Jul 2015 #59
But that doesn't fit the narrative. The narrative MUST be preserved, facts or no facts. arcane1 Jul 2015 #74
Which Hillary elected not to take.... daleanime Jul 2015 #25
This is a despicable OP. bvf Jul 2015 #27
So one of most Liberal magazines in America..... BooScout Jul 2015 #38
Things change. bvf Jul 2015 #44
The New Republic is HARDLY one of the most liberal mags in America. marmar Jul 2015 #56
"(The New Republic is) is one of most Liberal magazines in America" brentspeak Jul 2015 #64
I'm not exactly sure what would be qualified JackInGreen Jul 2015 #29
I have yet to read the article or the subsequent comments; but, will tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33
Or maybe the Hillary people could stop treating civil rights as a test case Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #34
To Clinton, bvf Jul 2015 #36
I disagree that if Bernie or Martin had said "Sandra Bland" raouldukelives Jul 2015 #35
Those who control the economy control the government and by extension the so9ciety itself daybranch Jul 2015 #40
Little by Little . . . Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #42
Oooooh, the #BlackLivesMatter test, shit, I better study. Darb Jul 2015 #43
Much to do about nothing HoosierCowboy Jul 2015 #45
They're smacking O'Malley too, what's your insight into that? Darb Jul 2015 #46
BLM is now the status quo? MoonRiver Jul 2015 #50
Ya know it's a funny thing about this post. imthevicar Jul 2015 #49
Failed their "test"? That was more like a "pop quiz" ! John Poet Jul 2015 #52
Ummmmmm the Bern introduced the 'test' into the conversation BooScout Jul 2015 #66
Well, somebody failed HassleCat Jul 2015 #53
It's more like their supporters did artislife Jul 2015 #65
Bernie Sanders sees racism as a symptom of income inequality. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #69
Yep. Little Star Jul 2015 #73
And which of the two can an elected official have a greater impact on? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #78
Let me know if Clinton ever shows up to take it herself Scootaloo Jul 2015 #75
The candidate of "hardworking people, white people"? n/t eridani Jul 2015 #79
Good on Tia Oso and #BlackLivesMatter Activists! Cha Jul 2015 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #80
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