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Sancho

(9,179 posts)
71. Unfortunately I live it...
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015

I grew up in SC, and have taught in southern schools for decades. I have lived in FL now for many years along side immigrants (I have two over at the house today). No one cares if a rally is diverse. Bernie needs to be invited to visit 20 black churches in the South and tour with them. Hillary was with Reverend Pinkney the day he was shot on a quiet tour of black venues.

Hillary and the Clintons are appreciated because churches and social organizations see them working through the Clinton Foundation. There is no law or bill that will take the place of face-to-face meetings. Of course the Clinton's aren't black, but they have many appearances over the years in the South and also on Univision, so they are popular for several stances - including the first to call for a path to citizenship, the Children's Defense Fund, and many other efforts. The Clinton's don't have any more history of lies and manipulation than Bernie, they are just on a bigger stage and some people buy into the RW memes.

Yes, Wall Street and the TPP are straw men. Breaking up banks won't do anything, the TPP won't cause any more harm than good (if it's ever passed), and a Hillary simply has a plan to entice corporations to raise wages rather than attempt to force them to $15 and have another 20 year stalemate. That's why we have the mess that we have now. Too much focus on Wall Street and money - instead of a focus on justice and people. Bernie hasn't changed his tune in the many years I've listened to him. Almost none of his proposals have a chance of ever becoming law. Too simplistic and radical in most cases.

Hillary's record with people who have been in the field is excellent for children, women, and immigrants. Bernie is either unknown or seen as a distant Democrat who hardly has been on their side. Vermont doesn't have tuition equity (NY does), Bernie's plan for day care included TRACKING children, and there are many other cases where he just didn't get it.

Yes, you can legislate change. Take the attitude of people towards the disabled. It's a complete turn around in my lifetime. Also, the recent LGBT rulings will make it a non-issue in future years. As Hillary said, people need a champion for them, not a rant.

Bernie's not an awful progressive, but he's clearly not in sync with much of my experience with the community of the sunbelt, and the polls have reflected it so far. BTW - the 30 million people I'm talking about don't answer polls, and even then education and jobs are part of social justice. Blacks want EQUAL schools, access to college, equal job opportunity. Just like women should be paid equally for work (Hillary was the first to call for salary transparency and has for decades worked for women's education and immigrant education opportunities.). Those are not economic issues.

If you are black or hispanic or undocumented - even if you have money in the bank - you cannot get into the 95% white University of Florida unless you are a football player. Take my word for it!! You are misunderstanding the poll, probably just like Bernie does. If you get your college degree, you won't get hired or make as much money if you are black, hispanic, or a woman. You may not even get a job at all if you are undocumented - you might get deported (even if you grew up in Fl from the time your parents brought you here at 2 years old).

If you get that job, the real estate agent will steer you into neighborhoods where blacks are allowed, and your home loan will have a high interest rate. You will be stopped and searched in than nice neighborhood if you look out of place.

Social justice, not economic justice is the issue.

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Big time. The clueless supporters are making it worse by being so paternalistic and bitter. bravenak Jul 2015 #1
BINGO! BooScout Jul 2015 #2
I love berniesoblack. bravenak Jul 2015 #3
lol BooScout Jul 2015 #13
This is the gist of it BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #4
He needs their votes more than they need him. bravenak Jul 2015 #6
+1 n/t Triana Jul 2015 #51
Sanders has never said that if you fix economic inequality Vattel Jul 2015 #5
And Hillary skipped the gathering. NealK Jul 2015 #7
Why don't you try being accurate for a change? BooScout Jul 2015 #9
If she had been at that gathering she would have been heckled too. NealK Jul 2015 #16
It's not that he was heckled... BooScout Jul 2015 #20
"To tell mother's whose children are dying in the streets to sit down and be quiet" NealK Jul 2015 #23
Watch the video... BooScout Jul 2015 #31
no he did not AnAzulTexas Jul 2015 #41
he watched them disrespect their own leader, by refusing to let O'Malley answer the question they magical thyme Jul 2015 #37
No shit. That should tell Bernie supporters that maybe sufrommich Jul 2015 #30
Ya think? BooScout Jul 2015 #62
Hillary's "fail" didn't cost her as much... Sancho Jul 2015 #11
"she gets a pass when she makes a mistake" NealK Jul 2015 #14
Primaries bring out candidates weaknesses... Sancho Jul 2015 #8
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #18
Having been fooled before don't let your fear TM99 Jul 2015 #39
Unfortunately I live it... Sancho Jul 2015 #71
I was born in TN, TM99 Jul 2015 #76
Quick question: gregcrawford Jul 2015 #10
Do you honestly not see what you're doing when you sufrommich Jul 2015 #32
What a bullshit line of attack. blackspade Jul 2015 #12
His supporters lecturing black folks on his history is losing him support. bravenak Jul 2015 #15
You're misunderstanding. blackspade Jul 2015 #22
Everybody already knows it. We hear it day after day like a mantra. bravenak Jul 2015 #26
Who is "everybody?" blackspade Jul 2015 #54
We all know it. I got repeated so much this weekend I don't think there anybody who pays attention bravenak Jul 2015 #55
So your point is what? blackspade Jul 2015 #57
Your lectures suck to black people. Even if you are black and lecturing, other black people will bravenak Jul 2015 #58
Who is lecturing here? blackspade Jul 2015 #60
See you around. bravenak Jul 2015 #61
I'll be here. blackspade Jul 2015 #63
More explanatory?? Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #67
You're piling on, why? blackspade Jul 2015 #68
I have a real aversion Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #70
You have not engaged me at all. blackspade Jul 2015 #72
but what about the present??? BooScout Jul 2015 #17
No need for hyperbole. blackspade Jul 2015 #28
If they want answers and dialogue, maybe shouting down candidates at an event... Triana Jul 2015 #47
Sanders and O'Malley have every right to be confronted, it was the mode of attack. Vinca Jul 2015 #19
We can disagree as to the appropriateness of Bernie's response to the ambush, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #21
+1 NealK Jul 2015 #24
+1 n/t Triana Jul 2015 #48
+1000 blackspade Jul 2015 #59
But that doesn't fit the narrative. The narrative MUST be preserved, facts or no facts. arcane1 Jul 2015 #74
Which Hillary elected not to take.... daleanime Jul 2015 #25
This is a despicable OP. bvf Jul 2015 #27
So one of most Liberal magazines in America..... BooScout Jul 2015 #38
Things change. bvf Jul 2015 #44
The New Republic is HARDLY one of the most liberal mags in America. marmar Jul 2015 #56
"(The New Republic is) is one of most Liberal magazines in America" brentspeak Jul 2015 #64
I'm not exactly sure what would be qualified JackInGreen Jul 2015 #29
I have yet to read the article or the subsequent comments; but, will tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33
Or maybe the Hillary people could stop treating civil rights as a test case Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #34
To Clinton, bvf Jul 2015 #36
I disagree that if Bernie or Martin had said "Sandra Bland" raouldukelives Jul 2015 #35
Those who control the economy control the government and by extension the so9ciety itself daybranch Jul 2015 #40
Little by Little . . . Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #42
Oooooh, the #BlackLivesMatter test, shit, I better study. Darb Jul 2015 #43
Much to do about nothing HoosierCowboy Jul 2015 #45
They're smacking O'Malley too, what's your insight into that? Darb Jul 2015 #46
BLM is now the status quo? MoonRiver Jul 2015 #50
Ya know it's a funny thing about this post. imthevicar Jul 2015 #49
Failed their "test"? That was more like a "pop quiz" ! John Poet Jul 2015 #52
Ummmmmm the Bern introduced the 'test' into the conversation BooScout Jul 2015 #66
Well, somebody failed HassleCat Jul 2015 #53
It's more like their supporters did artislife Jul 2015 #65
Bernie Sanders sees racism as a symptom of income inequality. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #69
Yep. Little Star Jul 2015 #73
And which of the two can an elected official have a greater impact on? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #78
Let me know if Clinton ever shows up to take it herself Scootaloo Jul 2015 #75
The candidate of "hardworking people, white people"? n/t eridani Jul 2015 #79
Good on Tia Oso and #BlackLivesMatter Activists! Cha Jul 2015 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #80
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