2016 Postmortem

SunSeeker

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166. It prevents our government from warning Mexico about the murderous activities of these militias.

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:28 PM

Jul 2015

How is that not heinous? Our border patrol are funded by the underlying bill. If they come across some militiamen asshats shooting at immigrants at the border, they should be able to readily warn people on the other side of the border. The amendment says no money can go to such notifications. No money. Even the cost of a toll call to Mexico. Otherwise, you're violating federal law, namely this despicable amendment. There is a reason Loretta Sanchez was outraged by this amendment. You keep trying to deflect and change the subject. Because this amendment is indefensible.

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In every way other than making it a formal announcement she has done so. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #9

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Thank you. chknltl Jul 2015 #95

I mentioned that to the poster as well. SamKnause Jul 2015 #55

O'Malley seems much, much closer to Bernie than is Hillary on this issue. Maedhros Jul 2015 #79

Maybe he's thinking of being Bernie's VP? nt artislife Jul 2015 #80

I'm sure he's in it to win, just like Bernie. Maedhros Jul 2015 #81

I am sure he is in it to win it artislife Jul 2015 #82

I get it. Maedhros Jul 2015 #83

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Real Democrats would support this. L0oniX Jul 2015 #18

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Well, we'll see who is a real dem and who is bought and paid for. I am glad sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #22

Will Hillary join in? L0oniX Jul 2015 #17

I'm wondering, LOoniX! Duval Jul 2015 #21

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I was assured by a Hillary supporter that no, because Hillary knows it's impossible AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #90

Kicked and recommended. n/t Duval Jul 2015 #19

Kay & Arrrrggh! Plucketeer Jul 2015 #23

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Yup! Plucketeer Jul 2015 #29

When will this be up for a vote? This is something that we need to get behind in the same way we jwirr Jul 2015 #26

+1 azmom Jul 2015 #28

I'm latino and this is a big issue for me. The recession azmom Jul 2015 #27

It's a very big issue. I am sorry your family has suffered so much. And the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #35

Are you aware of Bernie's vote enabling the Minuteman militias? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #102

What does that have to do with reinstating Glass Steagall? merrily Jul 2015 #108

The poster said she was a latino supporting Sanders; I wondered if she was aware of his vote. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #139

Okay, so nothing at all to do with this thread. merrily Jul 2015 #144

This thread is about Sanders. The poster brought up latino support for Sanders. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #146

WTF. merrily Jul 2015 #148

I know what the amendment said. I have it in full in post 102 above. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #149

If you know what it said, why do you claim "this" has nothing to do with foreign governments? merrily Jul 2015 #150

This amendment was about pandering to the gun nut, racist GOP base. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #151

Nope. No matter how many times you mischaracterize the amendment, it was not about merrily Jul 2015 #154

Are you seriously saying this amendment was not about legitimizing Minuteman groups? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #157

It's the gun lobby that he's wooing, again. George II Jul 2015 #172

I believe I'll have to stick with Bernie pocoloco Jul 2015 #116

Bernie's vote was not against the Department of Homeland Security. It was for racist militias. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #141

No, it was against funding to notify foreign governments of the activities of Americans inside the merrily Jul 2015 #152

Not just any activities: just "organized volunteer civilian action groups" near Mexico. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #155

Yes, so? You keep repeating the same stuff without any facts or analysis. And the more you do, the merrily Jul 2015 #156

Why do you think they passed this amendment? nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #158

This is what your virtual murder prosecution comes down to? And, I've answered that already. merrily Jul 2015 #159

No, you haven't answered it. And I can understand why. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #163

Oh, please. merrily Jul 2015 #164

It prevents our government from warning Mexico about the murderous activities of these militias. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #166

No, you have not even shown that. And you are again mischaracterizing the amendment, which says merrily Jul 2015 #167

I stated the amendment word for word. I'm not mischaracterizing anything. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #171

No, you just said it prohibited use of ANY money for notifications. It doesn't. merrily Jul 2015 #174

Yes, it prohibits spending on notifications of Minuteman activities. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #175

Nope. Money from one bill. And you still have not explained how that changed a thing. Again, merrily Jul 2015 #176

It's not just any bill, it's the bill funding the whole Department of Homeland Security. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #177

"even if it can't be tied to the Flores murders." It can't, but is that your apology merrily Jul 2015 #178

It did prohibit just any notifications - only notifications about militias along the Mexico border. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #179

Nope. AGAIN, it prohibited use of money from the one bill it amended for notifications. merrily Jul 2015 #180

Prohibiting fed agency use of money for an activity is prohibiting the activity. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #181

"Prohibiting fed agency use of money for an activity is prohibiting the activity." Nope, that is merrily Jul 2015 #182

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