2016 Postmortem

Vattel

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6. I think the swiftboating is coming from many sources.

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:02 AM

Jul 2015

Gutierrez's ridiculous remark about not knowing whether Sanders liked immigrants helped to inspire media idiots like Joan Walsh to jump on the bandwagon. And once Sanders' supporters started to defend his record on race, it was easy for people to then attack them for being insensitive to the concerns being raised.

I also think that some legitimately questioned whether Sanders was giving enough attention to certain issues of race. Immigration issues are hugely important to me, and so early on I naturally wanted to hear a bit more about them. I also felt that all of the candidates were not talking enough about investing in poor urban neighborhoods and otherwise fighting for racial equality in educational and economic opportunity. I certainly have no problem with advising Sanders to focus more on issues of race, and Sanders has recently been talking more about those issues. I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he is by far the best candidate on the race issues. (I think O'Malley has been terrific on immigration issues.)

I am sad that many at DU have been participating in the swiftboating of Sanders. I hope it fails, but politics is an irrational beast that can easily chew up a good candidate.

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Right-wing media and the origins of the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme. [View all] leveymg Jul 2015 OP

As a supporter of Sanders I'd like to believe that explains it el_bryanto Jul 2015 #1

BLM is being played by The National Review Crowd leveymg Jul 2015 #2

Yes but implicit in that argument is that BLM is too dumb to figure things out on their own. el_bryanto Jul 2015 #3

A lot of people have been sucked in by this meme. It's The Blob of the '16 Campaign. leveymg Jul 2015 #4

Your interlocutor's raison d'etre seems to be robbing one group of agency. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #26

I think you know exactly what you've been doing in pushing this meme for the past 2 months. delrem Jul 2015 #40

Six Black Lives Matter Protestors were arrested in Alabama DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

Read the OP. Read DU. delrem Jul 2015 #42

Folks are conflating two separate issues... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #43

YOU conflate the issues. delrem Jul 2015 #44

What is the topic of this thread? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #47

Out of fairness, you have the last word in this conversation. delrem Jul 2015 #49

Peace and best wishes./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #51

It's not a meme that Bernie Sanders is not getting the support of minority communities mythology Jul 2015 #110

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #93

They will also need to figure out that they will be -- or have been -- infiltrated by the police villager Jul 2015 #57

They are being suckered and the "Hill People" are piling on and loving brewens Jul 2015 #28

Thanks for identifying Cooke as well. mmonk Jul 2015 #5

I think the swiftboating is coming from many sources. Vattel Jul 2015 #6

Guittierez followed York and Cooke. I agree, this meme got picked up by others leveymg Jul 2015 #7

Okay, I see your point. Vattel Jul 2015 #8

Nice post. mmonk Jul 2015 #10

That which doesn't break you, makes you stronger. nc4bo Jul 2015 #9

I hope you are right. Vattel Jul 2015 #11

. mmonk Jul 2015 #12

Thanks again! Question: leveymg Jul 2015 #13

We can probably thank Citizens United for that. arcane1 Jul 2015 #14

I have to admit, not from such a wide spectrum. mmonk Jul 2015 #15

Ouch, that is pretty sleezy. blackspade Jul 2015 #16

Exactly the point. Before folks smear another Dem, be aware the meme originated in the GOP. leveymg Jul 2015 #17

This has been up for 6 hours or so and the usual people on DU pushing this meme are absent hootinholler Jul 2015 #18

My pleasure, kind sir. leveymg Jul 2015 #21

They're probably absent because for the last couple sufrommich Jul 2015 #23

Yep. They don't really get it at all. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #111

Back in March of 2015 ... something else happened ... do you know what it was? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #19

Reading comprehension is important leveymg Jul 2015 #20

BLM clearly started to target Democrats before the date you pick. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #25

Here is an interesting OP for you to read and comprehend ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #29

We can walk the cat back even further, here's something related from Aug. 17, 2014 leveymg Jul 2015 #104

Except there is no direct connection from this Bernie to DU or BLM. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #106

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. leveymg Jul 2015 #107

I simply do not see Bernie being smeared. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #108

And Obama handled it spectacularly, as usual - no deer in the headlights look. George II Jul 2015 #54

Maybe, but that's not my point ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #100

Who does the meme most benefit. n/t Skwmom Jul 2015 #22

Easy to tell here: look who's doing the gloating, while the rest of us are just appalled. leveymg Jul 2015 #24

I can tell you who your post and this argument harms the most BainsBane Jul 2015 #53

Lol! bravenak Jul 2015 #27

It's evocative of J Edgar Hoover of accusing Dr. King being a pawn of the communists./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #30

He put it on Kos too I think. Lol! bravenak Jul 2015 #31

I don't want to get a hide but it is repugnant to suggest black folks can't do things on their own. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #32

Well Soros and my avatar and Lee Atwater are planning a coup to install Hillary as Queen. Srsly. bravenak Jul 2015 #33

The sad thing is the young woman who heads BLM said why she did what she did. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #34

Straight up selfish. That's why. I'll be a Targaryan soon and burn them for us. Get me a dragon. bravenak Jul 2015 #35

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #36

Amen. bravenak Jul 2015 #37

It's a mutually exclusive proposition. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #38

Exactly. They say pawn otherwise they might have some work to do. bravenak Jul 2015 #39

Who profits and who gets a pass makes anyone wonder. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #65

I cannot talk to you when you are like this. bravenak Jul 2015 #66

I'm reserving judgment but I will be judging almost surely one way or the other TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #101

I agree completely m-lekktor Jul 2015 #67

It's amazing you can keep a sense of humor in the face of this BainsBane Jul 2015 #48

Can't cry. Be crying till i'm dead. Used to this shit girl. Hell, i've been called nigger by a guy bravenak Jul 2015 #50

Yeah, I suppose you have to be tough as nails BainsBane Jul 2015 #52

my husband scares most of the worst ones away. He's BIG. They be looking sheepish. bravenak Jul 2015 #56

Now we know BainsBane Jul 2015 #59

They miss it so much. bravenak Jul 2015 #60

I blame Obama! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #116

Me too! bravenak Jul 2015 #119

The picnic guy blames Obama! For you: freshwest Jul 2015 #124

Thanks for pointing this out. Recommended. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #45

Black Lives matter is a real leftist movement BainsBane Jul 2015 #46

Says the Hillary Supporter Trajan Jul 2015 #55

Does racial equality and leftist activism mean nothing to you? BainsBane Jul 2015 #58

There trying poorly to make this about Hillary.. having no clue that everyone I know was behind Cha Jul 2015 #94

There is so much fail in this thread okasha Jul 2015 #97

I knew this came from the Right Wing somewhere. Like the man said: Zorra Jul 2015 #61

Here are your right-wing memes BainsBane Jul 2015 #62

I have been here over twelve years and that's the most powerful post I have ever seen. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #63

thank you for that ibegurpard Jul 2015 #64

The only way to stop these horrors is to elect Bernie Sanders. Zorra Jul 2015 #68

Thanks, seems pretty obvious dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #98

Never have so many victims been so misused to benefit the leveymg Jul 2015 #69

I don't think it's all or nothing but i do believe there is an orchestrated effort being made. Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #70

The campaign against Sanders BainsBane Jul 2015 #77

After the birther bullshit and the Rev. Wright "controversy", are you surprised? winter is coming Jul 2015 #82

. . BainsBane Jul 2015 #85

The meme isn't the black people being killed by pigs...we all know this is true. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #86

'God have mercy on us' does not apply to those who allow this to go on. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #118

She is not a meme DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71

No one said, or implied, that she was. You are unethically twisting the OP to suit Zorra Jul 2015 #72

I don't need to be lectured by you. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #73

Sigh. bravenak Jul 2015 #74

It would help if people read Malcolm before appropriating him. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #75

Random quotes fill the need on the internet - MLK Jr. 1962 bravenak Jul 2015 #76

I am tired from all this. I can't imagine how tired you must be... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #78

Hell yeah. Been sleepy for 3 days. bravenak Jul 2015 #79

"But the only way to stop the RIGHT WING meme of black people fighting for our causes is to elect Number23 Jul 2015 #80

Why was Black Lives Matter an organic movement on Saturday and right wing pawns on Sunday? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #81

Exactly! Not that most of these people ever cared about BLM anyway. Number23 Jul 2015 #87

Nor has that anything to do with the OP. delrem Jul 2015 #83

Right-wing media and the origins of the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #84

In every post, you reinforce the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme delrem Jul 2015 #88

I said no such thing. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #92

Every single post of yours contradicts your assertion. delrem Jul 2015 #95

It's not that Bernie doesn't care... MightyMax Jul 2015 #89

You shouldn't have been blocked for that true statement. n/t delrem Jul 2015 #90

Thanks MightyMax Jul 2015 #91

They wasn't why. n/t Autumn Jul 2015 #103

You were repeating the right wing meme without any evidence. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #109

I don't think so. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #96

I rec'd because I believe it's a piece of what's happening dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #99

"If black people can't figure it out" BainsBane Jul 2015 #113

I'm just saying dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #139

Cooke and York a slimy team. Autumn Jul 2015 #102

No surprise there. 99Forever Jul 2015 #105

The Bernie doesn't care about minorities meme began at DU on the same day. Zorra Jul 2015 #112

Yes, that was THE day. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #114

And it's really precious and adorable when you consider that we'd been in the AA forum talking Number23 Jul 2015 #115

You know, with all of the people ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #122

"Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP" 4 Days Before! Cha Jul 2015 #134

That will be ignored BainsBane Jul 2015 #135

You're right, of course.. Cha Jul 2015 #136

And I did that OP after watching them stink up the board with the nastiest attacks for WEEKS Number23 Jul 2015 #137

Oh yes we do. It's so Deep.. they Cha Jul 2015 #138

Yep, and Black Lives Matters BainsBane Jul 2015 #117

Naturally, I already knew your post was coming. Zorra Jul 2015 #120

"Have you seen the recent polls at DU?" NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #132

You're on a firing roll, so ... how about a little gasoline! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #141

Well, as I pointed out to a BS supporter ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #142

Bahahahahaha! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #128

The Great Alerter on this post went down in flames 0-7. Divernan Jul 2015 #121

I fear he suffers much by the fact of my post not being hidden. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #125

And especially because you were vindicated 100%! Divernan Jul 2015 #127

0-7! grasswire Jul 2015 #140

Why are you posting that? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #123

No, just one. But I expect the majority of my posts will be alerted from now on. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #126

Not by me ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #129

No, not by you. If I speak the facts, my post will be hidden. Zorra Jul 2015 #130

I was on a jury for one--I thought it said there had been another ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #131

I can't answer you because my post will be hidden. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #143

No, the hides are reserved BainsBane Jul 2015 #133