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GoCubsGo

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8. But, it's not quite the same in this case.

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:45 PM

Jun 2012

The Dream Act passed with 55 votes out of 100 in the Senate. It got a majority of the votes, but it did not pass. How fucked up is that? When Dumbya bypassed Congress, it was because the stuff he wanted to do wouldn't pass with even a bare majority. President Obama bypassed only the obstructionist assholes in Congress, but not the majority of it.

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You know I hated it when Bush bypassed Congress [View all] SoutherDem Jun 2012 OP

It all boils down to you gotta do what ya gotta do. n/t monmouth Jun 2012 #1

I think that is what Obama concluded siligut Jun 2012 #3

There is a document that forbids him from doing that. We don't elect kings in the United States. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #5

Obama taught Constitutional law siligut Jun 2012 #6

The President had two years with both houses of Congress to do this. Why didn't he? SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #7

Who do you think you are talking to? siligut Jun 2012 #9

Answer my question and I'll answer yours. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #13

He did not have a majority for two years siligut Jun 2012 #18

Why did it take a back seat? I was in favor of the legislation, as were a majority of Democrats in SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #20

I answered your question. nt siligut Jun 2012 #21

And I answered yours. It wasn't politically favorable to do so at the time. Now the President SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #24

He has/had the Hispanic vote siligut Jun 2012 #26

What does the Catholic/Mormon comment have to do with what we're discussing? President Obama SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #28

Latinos tend to be Catholic siligut Jun 2012 #29

Obama believes in the law/Constitution siligut Jun 2012 #25

Thank you for putting that silly lie to rest. I hear it all the time on talk radio, and usually.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #31

We need to change the constitution to allow four terms BamaFanLee Jun 2012 #27

"We don't elect kings" GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #11

Bush Jr tried to do immigration reform and he was stopped in the same manner. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #14

Yes, I think Congress should work "as designed". GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #15

The majority has the option of changing the rules at the beginning of each session. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #16

Yes, I know that. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #19

Absolutely. The Founding Fathers never envisioned the use of a filibuster at all, let alone a 60 SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #22

Lincoln is revered for doing so. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #12

When Lincoln used the executive pen to suspend Habeus Corpus, he was reviled for it. Historians to SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #23

I care more about kids than I care about the abstract concept of law. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #17

"Forbids"? Obviously, you're completely wrong, as he did it. And it's been done before. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #30

I believe that's what they're going to do if the reports are correct. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #32

That's fine. Let's have this debate, but you used the word "forbid", and that's simply not true. nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #33

The US Constitution *does* forbid the President from using executive orders to skirt Congress. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #35

Where in the Constitution is that forbidden? morningfog Jun 2012 #36

When the President writes an executive order that directs a department to *not* enforce a law, then SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #39

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #43

You and I cannot/will not settle this. There's a thread in this very forum where an atty general... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #42

I keep thinking SoFlaJet Jun 2012 #2

Congress doesn't want to do anything high density Jun 2012 #4

But, it's not quite the same in this case. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #8

+1 DCBob Jun 2012 #10

Totally true. joshcryer Jun 2012 #34

Filibuster had nothing to do with it... rayofreason Jun 2012 #37

I am sure no one here will complain... rayofreason Jun 2012 #38

They made the rules GarroHorus Jun 2012 #40

Congress gave Obama the authority under 8 U.S.C. � 1227 aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #41

So after these "temporary stays," they will be rounded up and sent back to their countries? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #44

It happens all the time aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #45

No. This is the first time that a president has issued an executive order to prohibit enforcing AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #46