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71. K & R

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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:06 PM

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'A Moment of Shame' ~ Bernie V Hillary on the DLC/Republican 'Welfare Reform Bill' [View all] sabrina 1 Jul 2015 OP

Bernie is consistent on his policies. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #1

And he has consistently stoop up for minorities. Those who are the most vulnerable sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #2

Bernie has consistenty done nothing for years about pollicies lewebley3 Jul 2015 #136

Maybe you should look up his record Armstead Jul 2015 #162

We all know his record: He is now just entering the fight against the GOP lewebley3 Aug 2015 #217

By his record I also mean his ability to... Armstead Aug 2015 #218

Trump is attracts people: He should never become President! Sander is not a leader! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #224

No, you don't. That's why you claimed "sat in s small state for 73 years doing nothing but talk" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #227

He done nothing on the national stage! and He is pro gun! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #229

Bernie is pro-gun control and was given an F rating by the NRA. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #231

Talking is his record! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #237

"He sat in s small state for 73 years doing nothing but talk" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #173

Home schooling? artislife Aug 2015 #176

That or they get all of their information from HC supporters on DU. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #179

Jesus christ!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #191

Hillary didn't cast a vote. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3

That's true. The average welfare recipient in my county is a white single mom with two kids. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #6

This was a Republican Bill, no self respecting Dem should have sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #9

It was vetoed twice, and the 3rd was veto-proof... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11

Bill wanted it and Hillary wanted it. They supported it, Bill only vetoed it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18

don't hold your breath waiting for a response to your irrefutable truth corkhead Jul 2015 #42

How did Bernie get it right? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #56

Perhaps due to the booming Internet startup craze? Flatulo Jul 2015 #74

Yeah with Mcjobs ~ Cmon! mntleo2 Jul 2015 #113

Well written and informative post, I know it's early but this post gets my vote for post of the day. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #122

Omg, that is one of THE best and most truthful posts I've ever seen on DU. You are a gem sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #129

Way to tell it like it is! d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #138

DURec for the thread, but especially this post by mntleo2 ! bvar22 Jul 2015 #145

F'in brillian post Armstead Jul 2015 #163

This needs to be its own OP artislife Aug 2015 #187

Joining in the chorus: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #188

Monumental post. Thank you and I hope you consider making it an OP. Seattle truly rocks. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #214

^ This right here Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #241

By treating the poor like humans? artislife Aug 2015 #178

Do you feel that way ("This was a Republican Bill, no self respecting Dem should have.... George II Jul 2015 #15

How do you feel about any Democrat voting for or supporting THIS Bill? sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #36

I'll answer your question after you answer mine, fair enough? George II Jul 2015 #40

...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #106

Lol, this illustrates the problem Hillary is going to have with her sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #159

But the face of welfare is often hyped as black mntleo2 Jul 2015 #115

Hillary advertises her term as 1st Lady as part of her political record. So, I went to that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #8

Didn't the unemployment rate drop dramatically afterward? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #10

:facepalm: jeff47 Jul 2015 #21

You're the only one calling them that. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #59

Nope, supporters of welfare reform called them that. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #158

So you are rationalizing it by saying unemployment went down? lol. corkhead Jul 2015 #26

Yes, I am. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #61

Let me ask you, do you think that a Republican bill based on the dog whistling from sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #41

She didn't cast a vote for it no matter how much you want to think she did. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #66

She lobbied for it, she has stated that proudly, but that wasn't my question. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #69

UM, I think the answer is "Whatevr Hillary thinks" Armstead Jul 2015 #165

I'm sure she strongly-opposed it ... nikto Jul 2015 #87

Please read the OP -- And Her own words Armstead Jul 2015 #164

You could get a solid spike in employment numbers... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #108

Bernie wouldn't want to be put in a position of having to defend his wife's tenure as MADem Jul 2015 #53

What happened at Burlington College? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #54

She left in a hurry, there was a bad loan and a ill-thought out expansion plan, the MADem Jul 2015 #82

Did he lobby for any of this? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #88

Who knows? She served as HIS political advisor and Chief of Staff. MADem Jul 2015 #93

Since it came up... Sancho Jul 2015 #118

No surprise... Oilwellian Jul 2015 #141

Just saying. Bernie has not faced a well-funded GOP attack. Sancho Jul 2015 #152

Excuse me--I specifically said I did NOT believe the fraud reports. And I hate to tell you this, MADem Jul 2015 #157

Right wing attacks on the Clintons are just as fraudulent. THIS OP is based on POLICY sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #183

Give it up. You just want to fight. MADem Aug 2015 #186

Is Jane for running for the WH and is Tucker Carlson, who I'm sure will have lots to say sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #190

Hear hear! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #192

I'm so proud that Bernie will not sink to this level and neither will I. But as I pointed out sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #197

Proof I'm right there with you, posted at the same exact time: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #199

Is Bill? No? Well, take your own medicine, there, dear. MADem Aug 2015 #193

I would not, and never have stooped so low as to drag right wing garbage sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #195

Sure, sure, whatever you say....that's why you're constantly fighting with people here. MADem Aug 2015 #196

Fight? You drag a rabid right wing smear monger into a thread about ISSUES sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #198

It's what he does, I posted facts about HC's record on lgbt rights and this is how he responded: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #201

You know I guess it's hard to try to talk about issues when your candidate has been so wrong sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #202

That's why they overreact when someone brings up her record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #205

I have not seen anything like it. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #209

Yep. We need to keep challenging the lies with facts about Bernie's record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #210

I brought facts to a discussion that you don't happen to like. Get over it. MADem Aug 2015 #203

Where does Hillary stand on the Welfare Reform Bill and WHY did she work so hard to get it passed? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #204

Not interested in fighting with you. Darn the bad luck for you!! MADem Aug 2015 #206

The thread is about issues, itsn't about fighting. If you don't want to discuss the issues sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #207

Great advice! See ya! nt MADem Aug 2015 #208

Is BILL? Read the first sentence of this OP and then bask in your hypocrisy. nt MADem Aug 2015 #216

Wait...I thought none of us were supposed to quote them...oh artislife Aug 2015 #180

Since it came up: "Top Feminist: Hillary Clinton Has 'Accomplished Nothing' In Life" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #194

Excellent teaching moment. Thank you. Good for you for not linking to that vile site. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #200

Are you saying that there is anything in the OP that is incorrect? You know that Hillary sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #55

You enjoy the gift of literacy. I said what I said. Shall I repeat? MADem Jul 2015 #83

Of course it's fair. Vattel Jul 2015 #114

You could have addressed me directly, rather than getting in an oblique dig like that. MADem Jul 2015 #155

But it was policy that still effects the poor today. artislife Aug 2015 #181

Good one. Popcorn 51 Jul 2015 #62

I don't mind if he does, so long as she isn't responsible for getting any Republican sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #125

There's a difference though. Bernie wasn't that involved in his wife's career... cascadiance Jul 2015 #68

How do you know? Did you sleep between them? MADem Jul 2015 #79

So true. I doubt she would have half the career in politics artislife Aug 2015 #182

Is Mrs. Sanders running for office? If not this is irrelevant. Indepatriot Jul 2015 #100

Is MR. Clinton? Hmmmmm? If not this is irrelevant! nt MADem Jul 2015 #101

I think a former president is fair game in a discussion of presidential politics. Do you disagree? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #103

I think a Chief of Staff and Political Advisor are fair game in a discussion of presidential MADem Jul 2015 #150

Hey, nice try! TiberiusB Jul 2015 #105

+1 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #107

I'd love to hear a response to this. nt. druidity33 Jul 2015 #116

Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #117

Excellent response, thank you. I really wasn't getting the point of that comment. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #126

Hillary Clinton's advocacy for her husband's horrendous welfare reform bill is the point. The Green Manalishi Jul 2015 #144

The bottom line is this--if you want to bring a spouse's policies into the mix, you'd best make MADem Jul 2015 #151

If we're going to compare apples to apples RichVRichV Jul 2015 #153

And I'm sure you have transcripts of heart-to-heart conversations between HRC and her husband. MADem Jul 2015 #154

Man, I do love the mental gymnastics around DU sometimes... TiberiusB Jul 2015 #160

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #167

Because only a clueless idiot thinks that FLOTUS doesn't have a speechwriter. MADem Aug 2015 #175

She still reads and says the words artislife Aug 2015 #189

One last time... TiberiusB Aug 2015 #212

Oh, please--you're the one struggling with the fact that your candidate MADem Aug 2015 #215

ZOMGWTFBBQ? Rape fantasies! Wargh garble bargle SCREECH! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #230

No, I'm not. Are you asking for the link, or just trying to denigrate? MADem Aug 2015 #232

As lame as posting "RAPE FANTASIES!!1!" in a thread about welfare reform? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #233

Ah--since you didn't answer the question, I'll assume "Just trying to denigrate" is your response. MADem Aug 2015 #235

I know you are but what am I TiberiusB Aug 2015 #239

Plus Sander's wife took a $200,000 parachute to leave, compares to executives on Wall Street getting Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #170

I'm not sure that word means what you think it means TiberiusB Aug 2015 #171

But Sanders is a thousandaire! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #172

Shocking the Sanders would be in on taking a parachute when she left the university, I am surprised Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #174

She was lucky to get that amount because she ruined the place and left just ahead of being fired. MADem Aug 2015 #234

But, but, but, it was a golden parachute. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #238

+1 nt artislife Aug 2015 #184

Did you read the OP and Hillry's quotes? Armstead Jul 2015 #166

Glad to know that Bill hurt more poor whites than poor minorities John Poet Jul 2015 #84

Yes. But the myth excuses and at the same time results in a lot of racism on all kinds of JDPriestly Jul 2015 #112

You packed a lot in there.....well done. artislife Aug 2015 #177

This isn't the only thing, either. Clinton lost me in 1992 when she was assigned to develop PatrickforO Jul 2015 #4

Good post, and you are exactly right. It forced single moms into the workplace sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #44

Hear! Here! Bravo! This point needs it's own OP!!! 2banon Jul 2015 #80

I've been a firm advocate for gun control...Bernie lost me because he's a gun nut... Sancho Jul 2015 #119

And... Dawgs Jul 2015 #128

Nice links PatrickforO Jul 2015 #131

And if his somewhat divrgent position on gun control is so important to you.... Armstead Jul 2015 #168

It has absolutely nothing to do with Welfare reform. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #185

Rich person arrogance: “I agreed that he should sign it and worked hard to round up votes for Zorra Jul 2015 #5

'Spoken like a true Republican' Exactly, that's what I thought when I read that. It made me sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #46

Thanks for this OP, sabrina1. We need to get these facts out to communities Zorra Jul 2015 #140

The ever-popular 'welfare keeps people dependant' meme.. frylock Jul 2015 #96

Reminds one of what they said during the Irish potato famine. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #110

Sanders is consistent. It's just one thing I like about him. Triana Jul 2015 #7

Well things have been turned around now. zeemike Jul 2015 #75

Look at their record? Bernie support the military complex when the pork comes home! Sancho Jul 2015 #120

Another Truth Grenade! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #12

Better a truth Grenade than an -H>Bomb. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #104

And there are so many more truth bombs that will wipe the floor with all the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #135

When people are in pain, they listen, think and act MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #156

But haven't Hill and Bill apologized for this? frylock Jul 2015 #13

No, they haven't. Bill still thinks it was a great thing. I believe he views it as one of sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #48

For the working poor... jalan48 Jul 2015 #14

She does....see: George II Jul 2015 #22

Yeah, if you actually look at her statements, you'll note she never mentions a specific wage. jeff47 Jul 2015 #25

I updated my post seconds after I hit "post my reply"...she did endorse a $15 an hour wage... George II Jul 2015 #29

Nope. Your second quote still doesn't have her actually saying $15/hr. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32

No she hasn't endorsed a national min of $15. She has stated she wants the snagglepuss Jul 2015 #97

I haven't seen where she specically supports $15/hr. Do you know if she has? jalan48 Jul 2015 #30

Once again: George II Jul 2015 #34

Virtually echoed? Why can't she just say it? jalan48 Jul 2015 #47

She did - those are the author's words, not Hillary Clinton's George II Jul 2015 #49

Interesting-this from the Guardian 4 days ago. jalan48 Jul 2015 #51

She has not supported the $15 min wage, she has stated she supports a 'hike'. Unless it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #73

I'm not George, but she never has. jeff47 Jul 2015 #35

Does she still support THIS awful piece of Republican legislation which she did from sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #50

"Hillary Clinton Declines To Support A National $15 Minimum Wage " beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #78

Well, let me give this one more try.... George II Jul 2015 #85

Did you read the link to the Guardian article? It was 4 days ago. jalan48 Jul 2015 #86

Sorry, but no, unfortunately some here are just not willing to accept (or admit) that she supports.. George II Jul 2015 #89

Check it out-it's pretty straight forward. jalan48 Jul 2015 #92

Are you that easily misled? concreteblue Jul 2015 #123

Where does she say 'I am signing on to the $15 minimum wage' that has now become sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #134

"Hillary Clinton, First Lady at the time FULLY SUPPORTED her husband's Welfare Reform Bill" George II Jul 2015 #16

So Newt signed it? Or did Bill? jeff47 Jul 2015 #23

Certainly not true, but I'm not going to change your opinion. George II Jul 2015 #27

Yeah, what's a hurting a few million people compared to overriding a veto. jeff47 Jul 2015 #28

You just don't understand this stuff. George II Jul 2015 #31

No, I do. You just think the suffering is worth it. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #33

Nope. You're just trying to take one piece of legislation and isolating it from..... George II Jul 2015 #38

So, what law did Bill get in return for gutting the safety net? jeff47 Jul 2015 #43

This OP is about one piece of legislation, one that has hurt Minority Women, single mothers sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #76

What's so hard to understand? Did Hillary support this or not? She told us to look sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #58

Bill Clinton signed it and Hillary supported it and admits she even 'rounded up votes sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #52

Did you read any of the links I provided in the OP? Hillary OWNED it, she has applauded it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #149

Hillary embraces DLC/3rd-Way economic barbarism Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #17

Give Hill a chance!!! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #19

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #20

"a system oriented toward dependence to one that encouraged independence" < ? He took one in jtuck004 Jul 2015 #24

When has a First Lady ever spoken out against a bill signed by her husband? pnwmom Jul 2015 #37

Like being responsible for the 2003 and 2008 quotes? jeff47 Jul 2015 #39

How often do First Ladies boast about 'rounding up votes' for their husband's sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #63

Haven't had time to look but what about the Telecommunications Act... cascadiance Jul 2015 #70

That and so many other pieces of legislation that need to be discussed in this campaign sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #81

You are awesome. Tommymac Jul 2015 #94

I agree. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #111

when has a first lady run for president? Doctor_J Jul 2015 #148

Settling For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils Is No Longer The Only Option - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #45

Thanks so much zentrum Jul 2015 #57

No problem when you stick to issues, when you compare the records of candidates, sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #67

Yup. n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #95

His record is good (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #60

K & R SoapBox Jul 2015 #64

Bernie excels on the issues, especially on Civil Rights and no amount of distraction from that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #72

Kick azmom Jul 2015 #65

K & R historylovr Jul 2015 #71

Excellent Post, Sabrina 2banon Jul 2015 #77

This thread rocks! n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #90

Friends nikto Jul 2015 #91

Splendid Spot-on OP Sabrina1. Follow the money. Look at their records. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #98

Thanks for taking a closer look at the issues, Sabrina. senz Jul 2015 #99

Excellent post! fbc Jul 2015 #102

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #109

"Note the 'Pull Up Your Bootstraps, Poor People' lingo there!!" RiverLover Jul 2015 #121

what was his vote on the Telecommunications Act of 1996 stupidicus Jul 2015 #124

He voted no in the House on this bill... cascadiance Jul 2015 #127

Thanks, I was about to post that. His voting record on almost every, single issue of importance sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #132

Yep, I think that's what you get when someone isn't as obligated to campaign donors... cascadiance Jul 2015 #133

I love DeFazio, he has been consistently good on the issues, and on speaking out sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #137

Oh Wyden had some prostate surgery within a month or so of meeting with Paul Ryan.. cascadiance Jul 2015 #143

it's a funny twist on Euthyphro--personality vs. policy: do we back someone only when they pass MisterP Jul 2015 #142

K&R The facts speak for themselves. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #130

K&R NealK Jul 2015 #139

Great piece............. turbinetree Jul 2015 #146

Well-reasoned post. Recommended. <nt> AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #147

Well hell, you did it again. Armstead Jul 2015 #161

+1 Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #240

K & R ...this will only piss off all the right people. L0oniX Jul 2015 #169

YES thank you K& effing R and all that stuff azurnoir Aug 2015 #211

What better way of concern for the welfare of children than providing them a way and means of Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #213

Um it doesn't work that way in the real world Armstead Aug 2015 #219

And for those there are still social nets. Do you think the parents are getting more money by Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #220

Something IS very wrong Armstead Aug 2015 #221

I am working, I do not understand an attempt to degrade me for being willing to work on a job which Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #222

No one is attempting to "degrade" you Armstead Aug 2015 #223

Since you refer to welfare deform, I feel degraded because I am working on a minmum wage job. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #225

If you want to interpet it that way, I can't stop you Armstead Aug 2015 #228

That was an appalling piece of legislation -- a cave-in to the right on the backs of children villager Aug 2015 #226

kick rec Teamster Jeff Aug 2015 #236