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mntleo2

(2,535 posts)
113. Yeah with Mcjobs ~ Cmon!
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 05:39 AM
Jul 2015

I can tell you as a fact, Welfare DeFormed forced mostly single mothers in to permanent abject poverty. Do you know who wrote that bill? Robert Rector from the Heritage Foundation. Do you know why? Let me tell you a little story about Mr Rector and his ilk:

In the early 1990s Mr Rector attended a community meeting in DC where some African American women who were graduates of George Washington University kicked his ass in debate. So he ran home crying and wrote "The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunities Act" (the REAL name of Welfare DeFormed) ~ perhaps the most ironically named bill since it was written and signed into law by some of the most irresponsible white men ever.

After licking his wounds Rector decided the "outrage" was because these women, mostly single African American mothers, had been "using the System" by being on Welfare and attending college and getting a higher education. He had *no* such problem with his rich friends sitting around their pools collecting tax free dividends ~ but these uppity women? This had to be fixed!

Know who those women were? They were women who had fled the Southern countryside from communities where their only hope was to be maids and cooks in "The Big House" for the likes of Rector and his species ~ where Rector thought they belonged. Certainly not Doctors, lawyers and policy makers!

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunities Act forbids the poor and single moms from attending college. Under its mandates and while HRC was in the Senate, she applauded when Rudy Gulillani undermined good unions jobs by replacing them with "welfare to work" participants who worked for less than 50 cents an hour. This spread to other parts of the country and are in affect to this day. She stood by while her own constituents threw waffles at her NYC office because she "waffled" on the policies harming their families and refused to make a stand for these participants to get decent wages and access to college.

And now more than 20 years later and another generation that has grown up under these ghastly conditions, they are still in affect ~ and HRC nor any of her friends have done a thing about it. They do not have a clue about what happened to these people, the only thing they count is how the welfare rolls have dropped ~ they do not want to see where these people went. Well I know where they went ~ into the ghettos, into chronic homelessness, into dead end McJobs, into early deaths from horrid working conditions, their ghettos with polluted environments infesting their children. I know because I have been attending to these things and speaking about them for over 30 years ~ while it falls on deaf ears.

So sure, "Unemployment plummeted". Yeah right. To flood the market with McJobs that did not even pay the rent.

We tried to tell you people that this law was using the poor as canaries in the mine and that the middle class was next ~ were we heard then? Hell no! Now when the upper classes have been kicked in the ass they are whining, "B-b-b-ut I worked haaard!" Like the poor didn't work hard too? God damn bet they did!

Furthermore Rector did not even know what real "work" is nor will these elitists, including HRC ever get it until they humble themselves and realize the truth about what work is and isn't. Often I hear from people that well, "They shouldn't have to support other people's children..."

I ask them, "Then with your thinking, why should our kids support YOU with the Social Security and Medicare they will pay, with your wars they will fight and die in, with your infrastructure, and with YOU when you can no longer care for yourself? With that thinking then our kids should give all that money coming out of their paychecks to US and to hell with you, since we did all the work and sacrifice raising them without any support, right?" They always slink away with that response because they know it is true... whether or not they choose to have children of their own, these kids from the generations that come after them, WILL support them and they know it. Who the hell do they think is doing the hard work to raise these children for their comforts? Casper The Friendly Ghost?

Furthermore those few well paying "jooooobs" went away with a puff of smoke after all of them were exported overseas ~ and now thanks to "The Personal Responsibilities and Work Opportunist Act (Welfare DeFormed) those in poverty do not have a chance in hell to escape their plight ~ and these conditions are pulling the middle class down with them since now all those "McJooooobs" are the only thing there is.

Just ask HRC's Walmart CEO friends from the board she was on about how much they have profited with tax breaks and all the goodies they have enjoyed from the poverty and suffering they impose on their hard working employees whom they lock into their stores and force them to work for free.

Give. Me. A. Break.

Cat in Seattle long time activist of 30+ years for our Social Safety Net and
Board member of POWER, http://www.mamapower.org

Bernie is consistent on his policies. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #1
And he has consistently stoop up for minorities. Those who are the most vulnerable sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #2
Bernie has consistenty done nothing for years about pollicies lewebley3 Jul 2015 #136
Maybe you should look up his record Armstead Jul 2015 #162
We all know his record: He is now just entering the fight against the GOP lewebley3 Aug 2015 #217
By his record I also mean his ability to... Armstead Aug 2015 #218
Trump is attracts people: He should never become President! Sander is not a leader! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #224
No, you don't. That's why you claimed "sat in s small state for 73 years doing nothing but talk" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #227
He done nothing on the national stage! and He is pro gun! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #229
Bernie is pro-gun control and was given an F rating by the NRA. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #231
Talking is his record! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #237
"He sat in s small state for 73 years doing nothing but talk" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #173
Home schooling? artislife Aug 2015 #176
That or they get all of their information from HC supporters on DU. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #179
Jesus christ!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #191
Hillary didn't cast a vote. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3
That's true. The average welfare recipient in my county is a white single mom with two kids. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #6
This was a Republican Bill, no self respecting Dem should have sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #9
It was vetoed twice, and the 3rd was veto-proof... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11
Bill wanted it and Hillary wanted it. They supported it, Bill only vetoed it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18
don't hold your breath waiting for a response to your irrefutable truth corkhead Jul 2015 #42
How did Bernie get it right? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #56
Perhaps due to the booming Internet startup craze? Flatulo Jul 2015 #74
Yeah with Mcjobs ~ Cmon! mntleo2 Jul 2015 #113
Well written and informative post, I know it's early but this post gets my vote for post of the day. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #122
Omg, that is one of THE best and most truthful posts I've ever seen on DU. You are a gem sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #129
Way to tell it like it is! d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #138
DURec for the thread, but especially this post by mntleo2 ! bvar22 Jul 2015 #145
F'in brillian post Armstead Jul 2015 #163
This needs to be its own OP artislife Aug 2015 #187
Joining in the chorus: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #188
Monumental post. Thank you and I hope you consider making it an OP. Seattle truly rocks. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #214
^ This right here Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #241
By treating the poor like humans? artislife Aug 2015 #178
Do you feel that way ("This was a Republican Bill, no self respecting Dem should have.... George II Jul 2015 #15
How do you feel about any Democrat voting for or supporting THIS Bill? sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #36
I'll answer your question after you answer mine, fair enough? George II Jul 2015 #40
...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #106
Lol, this illustrates the problem Hillary is going to have with her sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #159
But the face of welfare is often hyped as black mntleo2 Jul 2015 #115
Hillary advertises her term as 1st Lady as part of her political record. So, I went to that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #8
Didn't the unemployment rate drop dramatically afterward? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #10
:facepalm: jeff47 Jul 2015 #21
You're the only one calling them that. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #59
Nope, supporters of welfare reform called them that. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #158
So you are rationalizing it by saying unemployment went down? lol. corkhead Jul 2015 #26
Yes, I am. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #61
Let me ask you, do you think that a Republican bill based on the dog whistling from sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #41
She didn't cast a vote for it no matter how much you want to think she did. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #66
She lobbied for it, she has stated that proudly, but that wasn't my question. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #69
UM, I think the answer is "Whatevr Hillary thinks" Armstead Jul 2015 #165
I'm sure she strongly-opposed it ... nikto Jul 2015 #87
Please read the OP -- And Her own words Armstead Jul 2015 #164
You could get a solid spike in employment numbers... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #108
Bernie wouldn't want to be put in a position of having to defend his wife's tenure as MADem Jul 2015 #53
What happened at Burlington College? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #54
She left in a hurry, there was a bad loan and a ill-thought out expansion plan, the MADem Jul 2015 #82
Did he lobby for any of this? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #88
Who knows? She served as HIS political advisor and Chief of Staff. MADem Jul 2015 #93
Since it came up... Sancho Jul 2015 #118
No surprise... Oilwellian Jul 2015 #141
Just saying. Bernie has not faced a well-funded GOP attack. Sancho Jul 2015 #152
Excuse me--I specifically said I did NOT believe the fraud reports. And I hate to tell you this, MADem Jul 2015 #157
Right wing attacks on the Clintons are just as fraudulent. THIS OP is based on POLICY sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #183
Give it up. You just want to fight. MADem Aug 2015 #186
Is Jane for running for the WH and is Tucker Carlson, who I'm sure will have lots to say sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #190
Hear hear! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #192
I'm so proud that Bernie will not sink to this level and neither will I. But as I pointed out sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #197
Proof I'm right there with you, posted at the same exact time: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #199
Is Bill? No? Well, take your own medicine, there, dear. MADem Aug 2015 #193
I would not, and never have stooped so low as to drag right wing garbage sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #195
Sure, sure, whatever you say....that's why you're constantly fighting with people here. MADem Aug 2015 #196
Fight? You drag a rabid right wing smear monger into a thread about ISSUES sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #198
It's what he does, I posted facts about HC's record on lgbt rights and this is how he responded: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #201
You know I guess it's hard to try to talk about issues when your candidate has been so wrong sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #202
That's why they overreact when someone brings up her record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #205
I have not seen anything like it. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #209
Yep. We need to keep challenging the lies with facts about Bernie's record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #210
I brought facts to a discussion that you don't happen to like. Get over it. MADem Aug 2015 #203
Where does Hillary stand on the Welfare Reform Bill and WHY did she work so hard to get it passed? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #204
Not interested in fighting with you. Darn the bad luck for you!! MADem Aug 2015 #206
The thread is about issues, itsn't about fighting. If you don't want to discuss the issues sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #207
Great advice! See ya! nt MADem Aug 2015 #208
Is BILL? Read the first sentence of this OP and then bask in your hypocrisy. nt MADem Aug 2015 #216
Wait...I thought none of us were supposed to quote them...oh artislife Aug 2015 #180
Since it came up: "Top Feminist: Hillary Clinton Has 'Accomplished Nothing' In Life" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #194
Excellent teaching moment. Thank you. Good for you for not linking to that vile site. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #200
Are you saying that there is anything in the OP that is incorrect? You know that Hillary sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #55
You enjoy the gift of literacy. I said what I said. Shall I repeat? MADem Jul 2015 #83
Of course it's fair. Vattel Jul 2015 #114
You could have addressed me directly, rather than getting in an oblique dig like that. MADem Jul 2015 #155
But it was policy that still effects the poor today. artislife Aug 2015 #181
Good one. Popcorn 51 Jul 2015 #62
I don't mind if he does, so long as she isn't responsible for getting any Republican sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #125
There's a difference though. Bernie wasn't that involved in his wife's career... cascadiance Jul 2015 #68
How do you know? Did you sleep between them? MADem Jul 2015 #79
So true. I doubt she would have half the career in politics artislife Aug 2015 #182
Is Mrs. Sanders running for office? If not this is irrelevant. Indepatriot Jul 2015 #100
Is MR. Clinton? Hmmmmm? If not this is irrelevant! nt MADem Jul 2015 #101
I think a former president is fair game in a discussion of presidential politics. Do you disagree? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #103
I think a Chief of Staff and Political Advisor are fair game in a discussion of presidential MADem Jul 2015 #150
Hey, nice try! TiberiusB Jul 2015 #105
+1 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #107
I'd love to hear a response to this. nt. druidity33 Jul 2015 #116
Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #117
Excellent response, thank you. I really wasn't getting the point of that comment. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #126
Hillary Clinton's advocacy for her husband's horrendous welfare reform bill is the point. The Green Manalishi Jul 2015 #144
The bottom line is this--if you want to bring a spouse's policies into the mix, you'd best make MADem Jul 2015 #151
If we're going to compare apples to apples RichVRichV Jul 2015 #153
And I'm sure you have transcripts of heart-to-heart conversations between HRC and her husband. MADem Jul 2015 #154
Man, I do love the mental gymnastics around DU sometimes... TiberiusB Jul 2015 #160
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #167
Because only a clueless idiot thinks that FLOTUS doesn't have a speechwriter. MADem Aug 2015 #175
She still reads and says the words artislife Aug 2015 #189
One last time... TiberiusB Aug 2015 #212
Oh, please--you're the one struggling with the fact that your candidate MADem Aug 2015 #215
ZOMGWTFBBQ? Rape fantasies! Wargh garble bargle SCREECH! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #230
No, I'm not. Are you asking for the link, or just trying to denigrate? MADem Aug 2015 #232
As lame as posting "RAPE FANTASIES!!1!" in a thread about welfare reform? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #233
Ah--since you didn't answer the question, I'll assume "Just trying to denigrate" is your response. MADem Aug 2015 #235
I know you are but what am I TiberiusB Aug 2015 #239
Plus Sander's wife took a $200,000 parachute to leave, compares to executives on Wall Street getting Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #170
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means TiberiusB Aug 2015 #171
But Sanders is a thousandaire! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #172
Shocking the Sanders would be in on taking a parachute when she left the university, I am surprised Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #174
She was lucky to get that amount because she ruined the place and left just ahead of being fired. MADem Aug 2015 #234
But, but, but, it was a golden parachute. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #238
+1 nt artislife Aug 2015 #184
Did you read the OP and Hillry's quotes? Armstead Jul 2015 #166
Glad to know that Bill hurt more poor whites than poor minorities John Poet Jul 2015 #84
Yes. But the myth excuses and at the same time results in a lot of racism on all kinds of JDPriestly Jul 2015 #112
You packed a lot in there.....well done. artislife Aug 2015 #177
This isn't the only thing, either. Clinton lost me in 1992 when she was assigned to develop PatrickforO Jul 2015 #4
Good post, and you are exactly right. It forced single moms into the workplace sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #44
Hear! Here! Bravo! This point needs it's own OP!!! 2banon Jul 2015 #80
I've been a firm advocate for gun control...Bernie lost me because he's a gun nut... Sancho Jul 2015 #119
And... Dawgs Jul 2015 #128
Nice links PatrickforO Jul 2015 #131
And if his somewhat divrgent position on gun control is so important to you.... Armstead Jul 2015 #168
It has absolutely nothing to do with Welfare reform. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #185
Rich person arrogance: “I agreed that he should sign it and worked hard to round up votes for Zorra Jul 2015 #5
'Spoken like a true Republican' Exactly, that's what I thought when I read that. It made me sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #46
Thanks for this OP, sabrina1. We need to get these facts out to communities Zorra Jul 2015 #140
The ever-popular 'welfare keeps people dependant' meme.. frylock Jul 2015 #96
Reminds one of what they said during the Irish potato famine. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #110
Sanders is consistent. It's just one thing I like about him. Triana Jul 2015 #7
Well things have been turned around now. zeemike Jul 2015 #75
Look at their record? Bernie support the military complex when the pork comes home! Sancho Jul 2015 #120
Another Truth Grenade! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #12
Better a truth Grenade than an -H>Bomb. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #104
And there are so many more truth bombs that will wipe the floor with all the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #135
When people are in pain, they listen, think and act MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #156
But haven't Hill and Bill apologized for this? frylock Jul 2015 #13
No, they haven't. Bill still thinks it was a great thing. I believe he views it as one of sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #48
For the working poor... jalan48 Jul 2015 #14
She does....see: George II Jul 2015 #22
Yeah, if you actually look at her statements, you'll note she never mentions a specific wage. jeff47 Jul 2015 #25
I updated my post seconds after I hit "post my reply"...she did endorse a $15 an hour wage... George II Jul 2015 #29
Nope. Your second quote still doesn't have her actually saying $15/hr. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32
No she hasn't endorsed a national min of $15. She has stated she wants the snagglepuss Jul 2015 #97
I haven't seen where she specically supports $15/hr. Do you know if she has? jalan48 Jul 2015 #30
Once again: George II Jul 2015 #34
Virtually echoed? Why can't she just say it? jalan48 Jul 2015 #47
She did - those are the author's words, not Hillary Clinton's George II Jul 2015 #49
Interesting-this from the Guardian 4 days ago. jalan48 Jul 2015 #51
She has not supported the $15 min wage, she has stated she supports a 'hike'. Unless it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #73
I'm not George, but she never has. jeff47 Jul 2015 #35
Does she still support THIS awful piece of Republican legislation which she did from sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #50
"Hillary Clinton Declines To Support A National $15 Minimum Wage " beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #78
Well, let me give this one more try.... George II Jul 2015 #85
Did you read the link to the Guardian article? It was 4 days ago. jalan48 Jul 2015 #86
Sorry, but no, unfortunately some here are just not willing to accept (or admit) that she supports.. George II Jul 2015 #89
Check it out-it's pretty straight forward. jalan48 Jul 2015 #92
Are you that easily misled? concreteblue Jul 2015 #123
Where does she say 'I am signing on to the $15 minimum wage' that has now become sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #134
"Hillary Clinton, First Lady at the time FULLY SUPPORTED her husband's Welfare Reform Bill" George II Jul 2015 #16
So Newt signed it? Or did Bill? jeff47 Jul 2015 #23
Certainly not true, but I'm not going to change your opinion. George II Jul 2015 #27
Yeah, what's a hurting a few million people compared to overriding a veto. jeff47 Jul 2015 #28
You just don't understand this stuff. George II Jul 2015 #31
No, I do. You just think the suffering is worth it. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #33
Nope. You're just trying to take one piece of legislation and isolating it from..... George II Jul 2015 #38
So, what law did Bill get in return for gutting the safety net? jeff47 Jul 2015 #43
This OP is about one piece of legislation, one that has hurt Minority Women, single mothers sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #76
What's so hard to understand? Did Hillary support this or not? She told us to look sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #58
Bill Clinton signed it and Hillary supported it and admits she even 'rounded up votes sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #52
Did you read any of the links I provided in the OP? Hillary OWNED it, she has applauded it sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #149
Hillary embraces DLC/3rd-Way economic barbarism Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #17
Give Hill a chance!!! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #19
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #20
"a system oriented toward dependence to one that encouraged independence" < ? He took one in jtuck004 Jul 2015 #24
When has a First Lady ever spoken out against a bill signed by her husband? pnwmom Jul 2015 #37
Like being responsible for the 2003 and 2008 quotes? jeff47 Jul 2015 #39
How often do First Ladies boast about 'rounding up votes' for their husband's sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #63
Haven't had time to look but what about the Telecommunications Act... cascadiance Jul 2015 #70
That and so many other pieces of legislation that need to be discussed in this campaign sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #81
You are awesome. Tommymac Jul 2015 #94
I agree. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #111
when has a first lady run for president? Doctor_J Jul 2015 #148
Settling For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils Is No Longer The Only Option - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #45
Thanks so much zentrum Jul 2015 #57
No problem when you stick to issues, when you compare the records of candidates, sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #67
Yup. n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #95
His record is good (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #60
K & R SoapBox Jul 2015 #64
Bernie excels on the issues, especially on Civil Rights and no amount of distraction from that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #72
Kick azmom Jul 2015 #65
K & R historylovr Jul 2015 #71
Excellent Post, Sabrina 2banon Jul 2015 #77
This thread rocks! n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #90
Friends nikto Jul 2015 #91
Splendid Spot-on OP Sabrina1. Follow the money. Look at their records. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #98
Thanks for taking a closer look at the issues, Sabrina. senz Jul 2015 #99
Excellent post! fbc Jul 2015 #102
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #109
"Note the 'Pull Up Your Bootstraps, Poor People' lingo there!!" RiverLover Jul 2015 #121
what was his vote on the Telecommunications Act of 1996 stupidicus Jul 2015 #124
He voted no in the House on this bill... cascadiance Jul 2015 #127
Thanks, I was about to post that. His voting record on almost every, single issue of importance sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #132
Yep, I think that's what you get when someone isn't as obligated to campaign donors... cascadiance Jul 2015 #133
I love DeFazio, he has been consistently good on the issues, and on speaking out sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #137
Oh Wyden had some prostate surgery within a month or so of meeting with Paul Ryan.. cascadiance Jul 2015 #143
it's a funny twist on Euthyphro--personality vs. policy: do we back someone only when they pass MisterP Jul 2015 #142
K&R The facts speak for themselves. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #130
K&R NealK Jul 2015 #139
Great piece............. turbinetree Jul 2015 #146
Well-reasoned post. Recommended. <nt> AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #147
Well hell, you did it again. Armstead Jul 2015 #161
+1 Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #240
K & R ...this will only piss off all the right people. L0oniX Jul 2015 #169
YES thank you K& effing R and all that stuff azurnoir Aug 2015 #211
What better way of concern for the welfare of children than providing them a way and means of Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #213
Um it doesn't work that way in the real world Armstead Aug 2015 #219
And for those there are still social nets. Do you think the parents are getting more money by Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #220
Something IS very wrong Armstead Aug 2015 #221
I am working, I do not understand an attempt to degrade me for being willing to work on a job which Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #222
No one is attempting to "degrade" you Armstead Aug 2015 #223
Since you refer to welfare deform, I feel degraded because I am working on a minmum wage job. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #225
If you want to interpet it that way, I can't stop you Armstead Aug 2015 #228
That was an appalling piece of legislation -- a cave-in to the right on the backs of children villager Aug 2015 #226
kick rec Teamster Jeff Aug 2015 #236
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