2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Dear white progressives: Stop telling black people how to vote [View all]TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)to believe that is more the exception than the rule. Easily most people have no clear idea what is going on politically even in the broad strokes.
Grimes was and is our sitting Secretary of State and it may have been half or better that didn't know who the fuck she is much less her positions. Then walking two weeks later she is known as that lady who won't say she voted for Obama or not, goodbye over vote from black areas, goodbye staunch partisan Democrats, and goodfuckingbye for sure from the "I can't abide a weasel" Democratic leaner and no black folks aren't super attuned and any of that either. The only thing that can be really said is that when we do vote it is heavily Democratic but there is plenty of not voting among the eligible, and plenty of no insight or opinion on most candidates.
I suspect like me you know and are related to more than the typical level of engaged people but neither math nor observation support it being the general situation even among the minority that actual vote at all.
Make their own decisions? Of course people have free will and most aren't going to be run by remote control but inform themselves in this media environment, pace of life, and misinformation? It doesn't seem like a valid political theory to me, if it were true we wouldn't have a quarter of the mess we have now. People aren't omnipotent and most are a mix of poorly and completely misinformed. Many more feel about politics like I do math and aren't doing any more research than I am doing trig problems.
Also, a situational issue of being on a political discussion board and expecting people to not advocate for candidates is contrary to general human nature like going to a football board and not wanting coaches and players discussed.
Then it is an idea which obviously works to the advantage of the deepest pockets and media and establishment favorites.
Lack of direct advocacy doesn't work for ideas or policy and I see no reason to think it will work for picking officials either.
It is an odd thing to resent in general, I'm thinking not many societies ever have functioned in such a way even hunter/gatherer groups at least where any voting or anything like it was happening and it seems strange thing on a political board, especially in the primaries forum to actually be angry and/or resentful it is happening.
A politics board where people don't discuss politicians during election season on the primary forum? Seems kind of like going to a steakhouse and becoming livid that they sell beef. I just don't see how that is a reasonable expectation.
Righteous anger? Fuck yeah, but that people are advocating their candidate and going to the record, totally normal? Don't be surprised that it doesn't get processed, it is at least out of the box so it might be hard to catch up to where you are.