2016 Postmortem

LordGlenconner

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25. The IBT and OP buried the lede

Reply to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:31 PM

Jul 2015

I suspect purposely so. If anyone is interested Clinton is up by 30 in the h2h portion of the Iowa poll.

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NBC News/Marist Poll results in Iowa and New Hampshire released Sunday [View all] kenn3d Jul 2015 OP

Sanders is the only candidate with a positive in both states. LWolf Jul 2015 #1

if you include Republicans OKNancy Jul 2015 #10

I'll refer you to the title of the article: LWolf Jul 2015 #15

If you include Republicans OKNancy Jul 2015 #21

you got that backwards questionseverything Jul 2015 #16

no... OKNancy Jul 2015 #19

you mean the potential democratic column? questionseverything Jul 2015 #37

The best way to think of these numbers is that the favorable means A Simple Game Jul 2015 #40

+1 is a number I'll give your post. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #47

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #48

Perhaps you're not aware that Republicans vote. Scuba Jul 2015 #72

"All registered voters" include Republicans. nt LWolf Jul 2015 #84

Trump is better known to the masses than Sanders, that is just one fucked up thing the media has going on Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #2

Bernie's only hurdle re winning is increasing his name recognition. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #3

I tend to agree with that. That the celebrity candidate has more name recognition is a red herring....plenty Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #4

People keep looking at election campaign polls. What they should also sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #12

Those in power have been undermining elections, like Attila the Hun undermined Europe, for Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #17

A lot of DUers assume that Hillary is the one who can beat the Republicans. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #56

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #73

You read my mind and expressed my thoughts better than I ever could tularetom Jul 2015 #76

Hillary has had consistently high negatives since '07. We dodged a bullet last time. leveymg Jul 2015 #5

When did "viable" get a new definition? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #7

He now appears to be viable to me. leveymg Jul 2015 #9

MSNBC's analysis of these Marist and the new CNN polls kenn3d Jul 2015 #6

Those numbers include Republicans - Talk about selective figures... lets' look at something else OKNancy Jul 2015 #8

The polls that include Repubs and Independents are the only ones that mean anything leveymg Jul 2015 #11

Do you know the % of registered voters, sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #13

Wasn't the argument, "Hillary can attract the center and independents" though? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #14

the primary... she will have plenty of time to fight against OKNancy Jul 2015 #18

You can't win a general election on a mere plurality of democrats n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #20

And you can't win the Democratic nomination by being consistently behind by 40+ % George II Jul 2015 #27

Welp, looks like we're fucked then. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #29

she's not doing that now? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

In other words, changing the goal posts again... London Lover Man Jul 2015 #31

Wow, voters in those two purple states can't stand Hillary Clinton. Practically in Trump territory geek tragedy Jul 2015 #22

Where do you see that she "can't hold" Iowa or New Hampshire? George II Jul 2015 #26

in the general. There's no way she wins those states at -19 favorable/unfavorable geek tragedy Jul 2015 #28

Then falls back to the tired old pattern "Lesser of the two corporate evils" London Lover Man Jul 2015 #33

And there's no way Sanders is going to win either of those states while sitting on the sidelines.... George II Jul 2015 #34

Obama was never -19 nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #35

The ballot will read: George II Jul 2015 #38

Every Republican not named Trump is doing much better than Clinton nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #39

I bet Hillary doesn't think the unfavorable numbers are useless. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #45

And yet she clobbers Sanders in those states. There was a good article about this I need to find stevenleser Jul 2015 #49

The poll includes all voters George II Jul 2015 #24

Which points exactly to the arguments LWolf Jul 2015 #85

Voters don't vote for "favorability", they vote for the best candidate for President, and.... George II Jul 2015 #86

What's the point in favoring a candidate LWolf Jul 2015 #87

Lifting one or two pages from a 92 page poll doesn't give the entire picture, just a SMALL George II Jul 2015 #90

The IBT and OP buried the lede LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #25

More, since some want to concentrate on "favorable/unfavorable".... George II Jul 2015 #91

Good news for all of us. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #30

Wow ugh vadermike Jul 2015 #32

I think if Bernie is the nominee NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #55

I can live with this! KansDem Jul 2015 #36

And Trump's 60% negative ain't gonna drop below 50%. Go Donald. BlueStreak Jul 2015 #41

A Marxist poll ? No wonder they're reporting Bernie is up. eppur_se_muova Jul 2015 #42

Clinton finished THIRD in Iowa last time. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #43

Oh, cripes! She did that cornpone accent again? No ways! Divernan Jul 2015 #50

Yeah ways Fuddnik Jul 2015 #53

Can you imagine Sanders putting on a southern accent for effect? I shudder to think it. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #51

Polls don't matter.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #44

Cue the... SoapBox Jul 2015 #46

Her handlers must think her best attribute is her absence. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #52

I would have to agree. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #54

Absence from where? brooklynite Jul 2015 #59

Does it occur to anyone but me okasha Jul 2015 #57

Well, you could ask Republicans what appeals about his message, if you winter is coming Jul 2015 #61

He's too conservative for me. okasha Jul 2015 #62

Got a link? I've never seen him claim that economic justice will resolve winter is coming Jul 2015 #63

Don't hold your breath. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #64

Either "he's too far left" didn't work, or they're rotating through talking points. winter is coming Jul 2015 #65

I get dizzy just watching them. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #67

I've looked at his record, thank you. okasha Jul 2015 #66

So you'll repeat an unsubstantiated and dubious claim without backing it up. winter is coming Jul 2015 #68

Despair not. okasha Jul 2015 #69

Just because LEADING the fight to audit the fed isn't liked by Hillary's corporate supporters... cascadiance Jul 2015 #75

Bingo Armstead Jul 2015 #78

Well, he did LEAD the battle okasha Jul 2015 #79

I guess is that worse than advocating the use of privatizing government email resources cascadiance Jul 2015 #93

I suppose you'drather have the Oligarchs contoinue to make those decisions... Armstead Jul 2015 #77

What a silly supposition. okasha Jul 2015 #80

No sillier than your idiotic belief that basic Liberalism is the same as Modern Conservatism Armstead Jul 2015 #83

Go pick a fight with somebody else. okasha Jul 2015 #88

Fine but a suggestion Armstead Jul 2015 #89

Two things. okasha Jul 2015 #92

So then what makes Hillary Clinton so much better than Sanders then in your mind? cascadiance Jul 2015 #94

I think it's political jockeying and strategy. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #81

Or make these efforts look like their scared right wingers not wanting Hillary... cascadiance Jul 2015 #95

At least my conjecture has some polling numbers to substantiate it Sheepshank Jul 2015 #96

Umm.. There was a poll that came out today that shows he's beating three of them now? cascadiance Jul 2015 #97

Yawn ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #58

The poll which counts is primary day. Hillary has never expected coronation and is working hard on Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #60

A Great President For Wall Street To Be Sure colsohlibgal Jul 2015 #70

It is interesting because you bring up defense contractors, perhaps you should check Bernie's votes Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #71

and.....crickets Sheepshank Jul 2015 #82

High negatives this election cycle Babel_17 Jul 2015 #74