2016 Postmortem

LWolf

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87. What's the point in favoring a candidate

Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:45 PM

Jul 2015

if that person is not "the best?" That makes no sense whatsoever.

And, the bottom line? This OP is about all voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, and HRC's net favorability is negative, 2nd only to Trump in both states.

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NBC News/Marist Poll results in Iowa and New Hampshire released Sunday [View all] kenn3d Jul 2015 OP

Sanders is the only candidate with a positive in both states. LWolf Jul 2015 #1

if you include Republicans OKNancy Jul 2015 #10

I'll refer you to the title of the article: LWolf Jul 2015 #15

If you include Republicans OKNancy Jul 2015 #21

you got that backwards questionseverything Jul 2015 #16

no... OKNancy Jul 2015 #19

you mean the potential democratic column? questionseverything Jul 2015 #37

The best way to think of these numbers is that the favorable means A Simple Game Jul 2015 #40

+1 is a number I'll give your post. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #47

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #48

Perhaps you're not aware that Republicans vote. Scuba Jul 2015 #72

"All registered voters" include Republicans. nt LWolf Jul 2015 #84

Trump is better known to the masses than Sanders, that is just one fucked up thing the media has going on Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #2

Bernie's only hurdle re winning is increasing his name recognition. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #3

I tend to agree with that. That the celebrity candidate has more name recognition is a red herring....plenty Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #4

People keep looking at election campaign polls. What they should also sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #12

Those in power have been undermining elections, like Attila the Hun undermined Europe, for Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #17

A lot of DUers assume that Hillary is the one who can beat the Republicans. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #56

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #73

You read my mind and expressed my thoughts better than I ever could tularetom Jul 2015 #76

Hillary has had consistently high negatives since '07. We dodged a bullet last time. leveymg Jul 2015 #5

When did "viable" get a new definition? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #7

He now appears to be viable to me. leveymg Jul 2015 #9

MSNBC's analysis of these Marist and the new CNN polls kenn3d Jul 2015 #6

Those numbers include Republicans - Talk about selective figures... lets' look at something else OKNancy Jul 2015 #8

The polls that include Repubs and Independents are the only ones that mean anything leveymg Jul 2015 #11

Do you know the % of registered voters, sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #13

Wasn't the argument, "Hillary can attract the center and independents" though? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #14

the primary... she will have plenty of time to fight against OKNancy Jul 2015 #18

You can't win a general election on a mere plurality of democrats n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #20

And you can't win the Democratic nomination by being consistently behind by 40+ % George II Jul 2015 #27

Welp, looks like we're fucked then. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #29

she's not doing that now? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

In other words, changing the goal posts again... London Lover Man Jul 2015 #31

Wow, voters in those two purple states can't stand Hillary Clinton. Practically in Trump territory geek tragedy Jul 2015 #22

Where do you see that she "can't hold" Iowa or New Hampshire? George II Jul 2015 #26

in the general. There's no way she wins those states at -19 favorable/unfavorable geek tragedy Jul 2015 #28

Then falls back to the tired old pattern "Lesser of the two corporate evils" London Lover Man Jul 2015 #33

And there's no way Sanders is going to win either of those states while sitting on the sidelines.... George II Jul 2015 #34

Obama was never -19 nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #35

The ballot will read: George II Jul 2015 #38

Every Republican not named Trump is doing much better than Clinton nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #39

I bet Hillary doesn't think the unfavorable numbers are useless. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #45

And yet she clobbers Sanders in those states. There was a good article about this I need to find stevenleser Jul 2015 #49

The poll includes all voters George II Jul 2015 #24

Which points exactly to the arguments LWolf Jul 2015 #85

Voters don't vote for "favorability", they vote for the best candidate for President, and.... George II Jul 2015 #86

What's the point in favoring a candidate LWolf Jul 2015 #87

Lifting one or two pages from a 92 page poll doesn't give the entire picture, just a SMALL George II Jul 2015 #90

The IBT and OP buried the lede LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #25

More, since some want to concentrate on "favorable/unfavorable".... George II Jul 2015 #91

Good news for all of us. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #30

Wow ugh vadermike Jul 2015 #32

I think if Bernie is the nominee NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #55

I can live with this! KansDem Jul 2015 #36

And Trump's 60% negative ain't gonna drop below 50%. Go Donald. BlueStreak Jul 2015 #41

A Marxist poll ? No wonder they're reporting Bernie is up. eppur_se_muova Jul 2015 #42

Clinton finished THIRD in Iowa last time. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #43

Oh, cripes! She did that cornpone accent again? No ways! Divernan Jul 2015 #50

Yeah ways Fuddnik Jul 2015 #53

Can you imagine Sanders putting on a southern accent for effect? I shudder to think it. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #51

Polls don't matter.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #44

Cue the... SoapBox Jul 2015 #46

Her handlers must think her best attribute is her absence. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #52

I would have to agree. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #54

Absence from where? brooklynite Jul 2015 #59

Does it occur to anyone but me okasha Jul 2015 #57

Well, you could ask Republicans what appeals about his message, if you winter is coming Jul 2015 #61

He's too conservative for me. okasha Jul 2015 #62

Got a link? I've never seen him claim that economic justice will resolve winter is coming Jul 2015 #63

Don't hold your breath. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #64

Either "he's too far left" didn't work, or they're rotating through talking points. winter is coming Jul 2015 #65

I get dizzy just watching them. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #67

I've looked at his record, thank you. okasha Jul 2015 #66

So you'll repeat an unsubstantiated and dubious claim without backing it up. winter is coming Jul 2015 #68

Despair not. okasha Jul 2015 #69

Just because LEADING the fight to audit the fed isn't liked by Hillary's corporate supporters... cascadiance Jul 2015 #75

Bingo Armstead Jul 2015 #78

Well, he did LEAD the battle okasha Jul 2015 #79

I guess is that worse than advocating the use of privatizing government email resources cascadiance Jul 2015 #93

I suppose you'drather have the Oligarchs contoinue to make those decisions... Armstead Jul 2015 #77

What a silly supposition. okasha Jul 2015 #80

No sillier than your idiotic belief that basic Liberalism is the same as Modern Conservatism Armstead Jul 2015 #83

Go pick a fight with somebody else. okasha Jul 2015 #88

Fine but a suggestion Armstead Jul 2015 #89

Two things. okasha Jul 2015 #92

So then what makes Hillary Clinton so much better than Sanders then in your mind? cascadiance Jul 2015 #94

I think it's political jockeying and strategy. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #81

Or make these efforts look like their scared right wingers not wanting Hillary... cascadiance Jul 2015 #95

At least my conjecture has some polling numbers to substantiate it Sheepshank Jul 2015 #96

Umm.. There was a poll that came out today that shows he's beating three of them now? cascadiance Jul 2015 #97

Yawn ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #58

The poll which counts is primary day. Hillary has never expected coronation and is working hard on Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #60

A Great President For Wall Street To Be Sure colsohlibgal Jul 2015 #70

It is interesting because you bring up defense contractors, perhaps you should check Bernie's votes Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #71

and.....crickets Sheepshank Jul 2015 #82

High negatives this election cycle Babel_17 Jul 2015 #74