2016 Postmortem

MADem

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6. Shit on your boss who can help you in your general election campaign? Now THAT's a stupid move!

Reply to ram2008 (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:07 PM

Jul 2015

She's smart to keep her mouth shut.

Anyone who says otherwise is rooting for someone else--and that colors their perspective, right there.

There's no point in getting one's intestines in an uproar over something that will be DONE by the time she gets to it.

There's just no point.

That quote won't haunt her--what would haunt her is if she said "I hate it" and the administration decided to go with it, or she said "I love it" and the administration couldn't get it going. Then, the story would be "Ewwwww, cat fight--Clinton and Obama go hammer-n-tongs!! See???? Seeeee??? Oooooh, they're FIGHTING (clickbait clickbait) !!!"

There is No Win to opening her mouth. NONE.

And truth is, most voters don't give as much of a shit about this issue as the members of DU.

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�If it�s undecided when I become president, I will answer your question� [View all] ram2008 Jul 2015 OP

Bernie says: RobertEarl Jul 2015 #1

+1 Go Vols Jul 2015 #173

She's A Pompous, Elitist Conservative billhicks76 Jul 2015 #230

"a Republican who masquerades as a Democrat ... fools people into neutering their opposition" GoneFishin Jul 2015 #250

Democrats Have Been Foolish Since Clinton billhicks76 Jul 2015 #293

What's really funny is, she's the far-and-away frontrunner. TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #2

Because she'll need surrogates to campaign for her in the general when things get down to the wire. MADem Jul 2015 #7

People just don't understand how this works, do they? George II Jul 2015 #39

Obama will campaign for whoever the democratic nominee is ram2008 Jul 2015 #49

How would campaigning for Bernie uphold his legacy? BainsBane Jul 2015 #50

I wouldn't have said that tipping us further into oligarchy is Obama's intended legacy. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #53

No, what you mean is BainsBane Jul 2015 #68

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I got nearly the same exact response when I said this : GoneFishin Jul 2015 #151

I've been on the receiving end of it too. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #184

But she posted with great drama and flourish. You have to give her points for that. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #255

She did the same thing to me and when I responded I was alerted on: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #290

Now you know you're not permitted to address other posters' points in a thread. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #291

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I apologize for misunderstanding BainsBane Jul 2015 #91

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Worsened? BainsBane Jul 2015 #100

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BOOM! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #123

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I was very upset when it first happened. Like I said, azmom Jul 2015 #196

Yes. I will be in a meeting tonight. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #217

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He also commissioned PoC as OFFICERS in the US Military. bvar22 Jul 2015 #265

I didn't know that! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #267

The Tuskegee Airmen who passed flight school and flew the escort P-51s in Europe were all officers. bvar22 Jul 2015 #270

You can have the New Deal without the Jim Crow. bvar22 Jul 2015 #203

And criticizing the Democrats at every turn. George II Jul 2015 #57

Easily... ram2008 Jul 2015 #65

Here's the problem with Bernie not being a Democrat BainsBane Jul 2015 #73

Outstanding post, Bains. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #81

You're putting words in peoples mouths ram2008 Jul 2015 #87

Many here have said it BainsBane Jul 2015 #92

Bernie is not explicitly running against Obama ram2008 Jul 2015 #96

Oh Poo! 1monster Jul 2015 #115

You called? BainsBane Jul 2015 #118

;:o) 1monster Jul 2015 #121

Pooh makes everyone smile BainsBane Jul 2015 #130

You know who DID run against Obama? Hillary. PassingFair Jul 2015 #177

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Lol, nailed it. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #197

Yes! MoonchildCA Jul 2015 #249

That's what she does best, look upthread. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #94

Bernie caucuses with Democrats, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #113

Bernie is pretty much an Obama supporter. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #153

He insisted Obama be primaried in 2012 BainsBane Jul 2015 #175

Bernie makes more promises because he is more determined to get the things he promises JDPriestly Jul 2015 #182

did you mean to come off as insulting to potus as you did? questionseverything Jul 2015 #180

and if the people decide Ted Cruz is the nominee? BainsBane Jul 2015 #258

"you all insist Obama has been a worthless president, accomplished nothing" bvar22 Jul 2015 #205

Amen BainsBane rury Jul 2015 #257

Obama can't run again BainsBane Jul 2015 #260

You mean he hasn't been corrupted by Party "insiders". bvar22 Jul 2015 #266

OMG... 'How would campaigning for Bernie uphold his (Obama's) legacy? WillyT Jul 2015 #88

Try selling that to the Democrats that put him in the WH twice... Historic NY Jul 2015 #179

I am one of those who helped put him in the White House twice, bvar22 Jul 2015 #213

The polls nor the contributions are showing that...... Historic NY Jul 2015 #251

You make a good point. The Conservative Democrats, like the DNC, probably would let rhett o rick Jul 2015 #236

skinner said the same thing. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #66

If Obama can inhabit the same room as the Bushes, I think he can suck it up winter is coming Jul 2015 #90

yes, everyone is so naive....they imagine that you can tell the American people what you believe! virtualobserver Jul 2015 #69

No, it's kind of sad. MADem Jul 2015 #138

Oh yes they do, and that is WHY they are looking for politicians who ARE NOT more sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #149

Of course I understand. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #155

If that's 'how this works,' you should be ashamed of yourself. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #216

You don't understand it, let me help. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #220

So she should be dishonest with the American people if it means that being dishonest JDPriestly Jul 2015 #84

She's not being dishonest--she's letting her former boss do his thing without her interference. MADem Jul 2015 #135

This reminds me of the paragraph in Elizabeth Warren's book in which she describes JDPriestly Jul 2015 #145

Wow! Oh, baby! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #150

The LOYAL thing must be the newest meme. Perhaps I will have better luck with you in this dilemma. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #224

I don't mean to be rude, but haven't you read the papers lately? MADem Jul 2015 #239

Yes it sounds like she is really supporting him. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #253

I enjoy the gift of literacy, and I did read the article. MADem Jul 2015 #256

I like this: A Simple Game Jul 2015 #259

You're working that "rift" hook a bit too hard. This is an ancient article we are discussing, MADem Jul 2015 #262

Yes it is pretty old, almost a year. Sorry I forgot that the use by date for A Simple Game Jul 2015 #272

You're working so very hard to have hurt feelings. MADem Jul 2015 #273

Awww, you didn't have to tell me that it matters not to you, that was obvious when you A Simple Game Jul 2015 #274

I guess you didn't figure out from my last post that we're done! MADem Jul 2015 #275

I liked Dean too, but he didn't implode, he was exploded. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #278

No--he imploded BEFORE he exploded. MADem Jul 2015 #281

Wow that article really got to you, it must have really hit a sore spot, sorry I brought it up. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #286

Tsk tsk--throwing shade like that is beneath you. You shouldn't play that--you lose. nt MADem Jul 2015 #287

Where was all of this loyalty when she was scrambling to his right on arming Syrians? TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #225

Don't get so angry. It's a discussion. You disagree. And I disagree with you. MADem Jul 2015 #235

Craven excuse making and lame rationalizations pretty much sum LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #269

'Vote for Me Now, Ask Questions Later' John Poet Jul 2015 #74

She lacks the courage to be a good president. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #83

Too many "Americans" V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #201

That's a good part of WHY she's still the frontrunner so far. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #161

If anything, she is a politician. With Sen Sanders, what you see is what you get. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #237

She's cruising to get BERNED ! V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #193

Someone elsewhere here bvf Jul 2015 #3

That's a clip that will haunt her for a long time. winter is coming Jul 2015 #4

How arrogant that she assumes she will be president. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #5

They all assume that. murielm99 Jul 2015 #56

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2015 #77

She hasn't earned my vote and never will... cocainecowboy Jul 2015 #63

You might as well vote for the republican. murielm99 Jul 2015 #82

Shit on your boss who can help you in your general election campaign? Now THAT's a stupid move! MADem Jul 2015 #6

Nonetheless, bvf Jul 2015 #9

! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #13

This one's better. bvf Jul 2015 #16

LOL! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #29

Oooo I like to dance a little side step... 1monster Jul 2015 #120

LOL, I was thinking that, too! n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #126

Not buying it. ram2008 Jul 2015 #10

Still trying to play the game customerserviceguy Jul 2015 #160

So the President won't campaign for someone who disagrees with one of his policies? winter is coming Jul 2015 #11

Short answer? YES. Yes, he will NOT campaign. MADem Jul 2015 #15

If that's how politics is played, we're better off going with a candidate not too winter is coming Jul 2015 #20

+1 Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #28

+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #31

+3 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #33

Good grief--surely you don't think it goes down any other way??? MADem Jul 2015 #46

If he winds up winning the nomination (highly unlikely) he'll get even less support..... George II Jul 2015 #55

Yeah, kinda like the Mafia passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #78

+1 JDPriestly Jul 2015 #103

Speaking of shallow, how about someone who spurned the Democratic Party all his life... George II Jul 2015 #41

Shallow...or opportunistic? Inquiring minds want to know! nt MADem Jul 2015 #43

Two Words - Ralph Nader Armstead Jul 2015 #72

Is that why we Democrats lost so badly in 2016? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #158

Which is why she hasn't been highly critical of his foreign policy! ieoeja Jul 2015 #202

Remember you are dealing with Clinton folks SwampG8r Jul 2015 #163

if that is the case and Obama is as petty m-lekktor Jul 2015 #14

It's not a question of "petty." It's a question of rudimentary intelligence. MADem Jul 2015 #21

her negatives are too high for her to be cute. it just highlites her oppositions courage roguevalley Jul 2015 #40

Who's talking about "cute?" This is common sense. MADem Jul 2015 #101

If you want someone without courage... ram2008 Jul 2015 #105

Now that's just baiting snark. Waaah!!! Vote for JEB BUSH!!!! MADem Jul 2015 #112

Maybe Hillary should get new focus testers then ram2008 Jul 2015 #117

She's doing fine, and she's exactly where she needs to be. MADem Jul 2015 #125

6.3 baby! I think a volcano is waking up. Oh joy. :D roguevalley Jul 2015 #246

Do stay safe and well. Get out the cat carrier, if you have one, just in case. MADem Jul 2015 #248

Keystone is not a signature issue for Obama. CanadaexPat Jul 2015 #89

It will be if he comes out for it--she wants to see what way he jumps. MADem Jul 2015 #99

She doesn't want the media to paint her as "pushing" Obama. She understands that leaders gotta MADem Jul 2015 #222

Thanks for bringing some reality to the discussion, MADem. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #22

It's like shovelling sand against the tide. The sexist snark, the "Ewww, I hate Hillary" posts MADem Jul 2015 #35

If a male candidate said he'd only divulge his opinion if elected... Armstead Jul 2015 #76

I think he'd be called pragmatic and thoughtful, weighing all the options, not being hasty or MADem Jul 2015 #102

Hillary, emotional? ram2008 Jul 2015 #107

I have news for you (and you're apparently unclear on the process, from your comments). MADem Jul 2015 #133

I don't think so Armstead Jul 2015 #109

Well, I do. And since you don't understand the constraints that a cabinet official -- or a former MADem Jul 2015 #131

I understand the constraints. But that does not prevent her rom taking a position. Armstead Jul 2015 #162

It does if she MADem Jul 2015 #165

You can say that about any issue. I give Obama a lot more credit than you do. Armstead Jul 2015 #167

It's clear that you want to continue challenging me about this, but I think I've been as clear as I MADem Jul 2015 #229

Well what you say cuts to the heart of the system. And the system is f----ing most of us. Armstead Jul 2015 #231

It's not my job to change the world. I just want to see the best possible candidate, in my view MADem Jul 2015 #233

The bst way to ensure my side loses is for me to run for office Armstead Jul 2015 #238

I drive voters to the polls. Like I said, I'm on the back end of the course. MADem Jul 2015 #240

I suppose this could go on forever but one last point Armstead Jul 2015 #243

I'd love to see new voices in the mix--I just wish they'd get involved where it matters every day, MADem Jul 2015 #261

My view exactly. Voters need to know where azmom Jul 2015 #166

Not by anyone that cares about the environment. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #156

It's a PUMA talking point, everyone who criticizes Hillary is "sexist". beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #128

"reality"? LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2015 #208

"There is No Win to opening her mouth. NONE." Man-oh-man truer words were never spoken. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #23

I'm sure you thought that was clever, because, ya know, you don't like her and stuff. MADem Jul 2015 #30

She can't win Without rallying the base, and this won't do it. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #192

Like Bernie can win without blacks, Hispanics and those women who want to see a woman in the White MADem Jul 2015 #206

Her boss is and her loyalty should be first to the American people. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #226

That happens after she takes the oath. Not before. nt MADem Jul 2015 #234

Now if that's not a Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #8

Oh it's smart ibegurpard Jul 2015 #59

Share? L0oniX Jul 2015 #209

Yeah, that's gonna help her *likeability* ratings. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #12

I think she basically said she is for it... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #17

(Cough.) The Secretary of State executes policy on behalf of, and at the bidding of, the POTUS. MADem Jul 2015 #27

Is that why she redacted the authors names on the impact report, Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #34

She wasn't slaughtering Nazis in the Rose Garden for Obama--the "only following orders" MADem Jul 2015 #42

oh. my. god Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #48

No, she's not, but she's also not Super SECSTATE who shows up at work and says MADem Jul 2015 #129

"Just following orders" is not a good excuse in the case of Secretary Clinton and Keystone XL Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #132

Have the last word, now--it's obvious that you're out of your depth and have no grasp of US history. MADem Jul 2015 #134

Oh boy... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #136

Nazis! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #140

"maybe you need a nap" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #137

If you think that was a meltdown you have a major perspective issue. MADem Jul 2015 #139

Cheers Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #141

More of the double standard from Clinton supporters. Jim Lane Jul 2015 #147

+1 bazillion beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #148

Hillary's answer was, to paraphrase: The XL pipeline. That's Obama's business right now. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #111

And she's right--it IS his business, and he's her former boss, and she will be asking him for help MADem Jul 2015 #116

I gather from you posts that you assume that Hillary favors the pipeline. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #144

No--exact opposite, in fact. MADem Jul 2015 #219

I agree that the pipeline is yesterday. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #228

Once this issue is resolved, it's done. The only people who care, as I have said, are MADem Jul 2015 #232

I like Sanders because he is not taking corporate money and is unafraid to tell the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #244

I don't doubt that the guy means well. MADem Jul 2015 #252

Latinos will vote for Jeb to see Colomba as azmom Jul 2015 #279

Creo que no--es verdad. Completamente. MADem Jul 2015 #280

Not saying they are not making a play for the latino azmom Jul 2015 #282

And, as the link I provided illustrates, they are using "First Hispanic Primera Dama" as a hook. MADem Jul 2015 #283

This is what I have a problem with azmom Jul 2015 #284

Do you want more links? I can give them to you. MADem Jul 2015 #285

Let me try again. azmom Jul 2015 #288

That's what I'm hearing--so it's down to opinion, here. MADem Jul 2015 #289

So all she was was a bureaucratic functionary, rubber stamping documents at Obama's behest? tularetom Jul 2015 #75

She certainly worked with POTUS in crafting policy--even policy she might not have personally MADem Jul 2015 #124

You can't have it both ways tularetom Jul 2015 #169

Sorry--I most certainly CAN. In fact, I am doing just that. MADem Jul 2015 #170

I'll cop to a visceral dislike of Sec Clinton tularetom Jul 2015 #171

I think you need to re-read. MADem Jul 2015 #263

Oh, horrors! okasha Jul 2015 #18

She has no leadership ability ram2008 Jul 2015 #24

+1. Stake a position and live with the consequences. winter is coming Jul 2015 #36

If you really need that explained, okasha Jul 2015 #47

whut? frylock Jul 2015 #70

Wow, they're really getting desperate. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #98

translated DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #104

Aren't gaffes unintentional? WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #52

She only ran the State Department BainsBane Jul 2015 #54

Prevent Defense. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #25

Politics is chess, not football. okasha Jul 2015 #37

then what the hell is Hillary playing? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #142

Politics. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #186

Politics is politics kenfrequed Jul 2015 #157

"Her speech will be her interview." I've never understood that line of thinking. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #19

Sounds like it's Obama's choice. jalan48 Jul 2015 #26

Butter up a POTUS or butter up the electorate? chknltl Jul 2015 #32

That's like when she said we "need to go beyond Dodd/Frank" 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #38

She knows it will cost her votes if she states azmom Jul 2015 #164

sooooo marie antoinette mooseprime Jul 2015 #44

I really did not like that answer. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #51

Is the decision on Keystone Pipeline going to wait until 2017 to get resolved? I Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #58

Bernie's position on this issue is crystal clear ram2008 Jul 2015 #60

"...WHEN I become president,..." ?? Petrushka Jul 2015 #61

Nice! Perfect visuals for this. glinda Jul 2015 #79

I actually like that ibegurpard Jul 2015 #86

I've seen a better version of that .gif fbc Jul 2015 #93

Oh yes! 840high Jul 2015 #143

LOL Petrushka Jul 2015 #146

Become president? That's only a formality... L0oniX Jul 2015 #212

Just a thought ---> Petrushka Jul 2015 #271

I don't vote for surprise packages. nt NCjack Jul 2015 #62

I don't vote for surprise packages. nt NCjack Jul 2015 #64

No where close to an acceptable answer. Moostache Jul 2015 #67

You have got to be kidding. And people want to vote for this? glinda Jul 2015 #80

Can it have anything to do with the 1.6 million azmom Jul 2015 #106

Cool. You become president, I'll decide whether to vote for you. jtuck004 Jul 2015 #110

Saudi's pumping cheap oil has killed it, most likely. joshcryer Jul 2015 #114

i think we just saw her 47% moment restorefreedom Jul 2015 #122

Not Good Enough, Hillary. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #127

Honestly, as bad as XL is, I am more worried about the TPP at the moment. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #152

Not to mention Taxpayers will be on the hook for the ultimate clean ups from spills etc. 2banon Jul 2015 #174

+100% Enthusiast Jul 2015 #178

Trust me..... nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #154

Joe Isuzu -- the Patron Saint of American Politicians... Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #172

Oh, I loved those commercials! SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #183

Me, too. We DESPERATELY need someone with a captioning machine Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #218

It's pretty common for members of an existing cabinet to avoid criticizing a sitting President... Sancho Jul 2015 #159

Is there anybody in her base that supports the pipeline? WDIM Jul 2015 #176

No spine AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #181

She sold it to Wall Street for campaign cash.[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #190

Is that quote going to be posted every day from now on? George II Jul 2015 #187

Just until she states her position. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #194

Or says something even dumber. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #277

I hope so ram2008 Jul 2015 #242

I can't decide which is worse LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #188

+1000 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #198

How clever. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #191

I like Hillary, but I have to say CanonRay Jul 2015 #195

Chicken shit. polichick Jul 2015 #199

Kick and R BeanMusical Jul 2015 #200

"I'm not gonna tell you what I plan to do if you elect me--'cause it's a surprise!" tblue37 Jul 2015 #204

It's a "minimize your losses" approach. My guess is her team feels she would stand to lose more NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #207

Wow - she really did say that. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #210

Don't vote for her in the GE BKH70041 Jul 2015 #211

OK LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #268

... truebluegreen Jul 2015 #214

she cannot risk offending her corporate bosses.... mike_c Jul 2015 #215

What a chicken-shit answer Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #221

+1. Not a good answer to make if you're trying to convince people winter is coming Jul 2015 #227

It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Alkene Jul 2015 #223

I think she'll probably win but I'm really tending not to vote for her. Kablooie Jul 2015 #241

What a pant(suit)load whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #245

She supports it libodem Jul 2015 #247

I would not accept that answer from anybody. Not Bernie, not Elizabeth Warren, JFK or FDR. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #254

Sorry Hillary that is not how it works. We select our candidate on what they think about the issues. jwirr Jul 2015 #264

I just keep coming back to your OP. It really is what is wrong with Autumn Jul 2015 #276

Meanwhile, serious people are hanging from bridges to protest fracking. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #292

K & R L0oniX Jul 2015 #294