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�If it�s undecided when I become president, I will answer your question� [View all] ram2008 Jul 2015 OP

Bernie says: RobertEarl Jul 2015 #1

+1 Go Vols Jul 2015 #173

She's A Pompous, Elitist Conservative billhicks76 Jul 2015 #230

"a Republican who masquerades as a Democrat ... fools people into neutering their opposition" GoneFishin Jul 2015 #250

Democrats Have Been Foolish Since Clinton billhicks76 Jul 2015 #293

What's really funny is, she's the far-and-away frontrunner. TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #2

Because she'll need surrogates to campaign for her in the general when things get down to the wire. MADem Jul 2015 #7

People just don't understand how this works, do they? George II Jul 2015 #39

Obama will campaign for whoever the democratic nominee is ram2008 Jul 2015 #49

How would campaigning for Bernie uphold his legacy? BainsBane Jul 2015 #50

I wouldn't have said that tipping us further into oligarchy is Obama's intended legacy. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #53

No, what you mean is BainsBane Jul 2015 #68

"I wouldn't have said that tipping us further into oligarchy is Obama's intended legacy. n/t" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #71

I got nearly the same exact response when I said this : GoneFishin Jul 2015 #151

I've been on the receiving end of it too. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #184

But she posted with great drama and flourish. You have to give her points for that. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #255

She did the same thing to me and when I responded I was alerted on: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #290

Now you know you're not permitted to address other posters' points in a thread. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #291

That's not even remotely what I said, or meant. winter is coming Jul 2015 #85

I apologize for misunderstanding BainsBane Jul 2015 #91

Structual inequality is not recent, but it has worsened. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #95

Worsened? BainsBane Jul 2015 #100

For the record I'm not white ram2008 Jul 2015 #108

BOOM! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #123

I don't think anyone is hostile to the interests of those who are Not in the middle class JDPriestly Jul 2015 #119

I'm latina, and As I see it, the problems with our movements today, azmom Jul 2015 #168

I agree. But the demonstrations should be supportive of each others' causes. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #189

I was very upset when it first happened. Like I said, azmom Jul 2015 #196

Yes. I will be in a meeting tonight. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #217

While FDR certainly didn't end social injustice MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #97

He also commissioned PoC as OFFICERS in the US Military. bvar22 Jul 2015 #265

I didn't know that! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #267

The Tuskegee Airmen who passed flight school and flew the escort P-51s in Europe were all officers. bvar22 Jul 2015 #270

You can have the New Deal without the Jim Crow. bvar22 Jul 2015 #203

And criticizing the Democrats at every turn. George II Jul 2015 #57

Easily... ram2008 Jul 2015 #65

Here's the problem with Bernie not being a Democrat BainsBane Jul 2015 #73

Outstanding post, Bains. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #81

You're putting words in peoples mouths ram2008 Jul 2015 #87

Many here have said it BainsBane Jul 2015 #92

Bernie is not explicitly running against Obama ram2008 Jul 2015 #96

Oh Poo! 1monster Jul 2015 #115

You called? BainsBane Jul 2015 #118

;:o) 1monster Jul 2015 #121

Pooh makes everyone smile BainsBane Jul 2015 #130

You know who DID run against Obama? Hillary. PassingFair Jul 2015 #177

+1,000,000,000 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #185

Lol, nailed it. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #197

Yes! MoonchildCA Jul 2015 #249

That's what she does best, look upthread. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #94

Bernie caucuses with Democrats, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #113

Bernie is pretty much an Obama supporter. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #153

He insisted Obama be primaried in 2012 BainsBane Jul 2015 #175

Bernie makes more promises because he is more determined to get the things he promises JDPriestly Jul 2015 #182

did you mean to come off as insulting to potus as you did? questionseverything Jul 2015 #180

and if the people decide Ted Cruz is the nominee? BainsBane Jul 2015 #258

"you all insist Obama has been a worthless president, accomplished nothing" bvar22 Jul 2015 #205

Amen BainsBane rury Jul 2015 #257

Obama can't run again BainsBane Jul 2015 #260

You mean he hasn't been corrupted by Party "insiders". bvar22 Jul 2015 #266

OMG... 'How would campaigning for Bernie uphold his (Obama's) legacy? WillyT Jul 2015 #88

Try selling that to the Democrats that put him in the WH twice... Historic NY Jul 2015 #179

I am one of those who helped put him in the White House twice, bvar22 Jul 2015 #213

The polls nor the contributions are showing that...... Historic NY Jul 2015 #251

You make a good point. The Conservative Democrats, like the DNC, probably would let rhett o rick Jul 2015 #236

skinner said the same thing. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #66

If Obama can inhabit the same room as the Bushes, I think he can suck it up winter is coming Jul 2015 #90

yes, everyone is so naive....they imagine that you can tell the American people what you believe! virtualobserver Jul 2015 #69

No, it's kind of sad. MADem Jul 2015 #138

Oh yes they do, and that is WHY they are looking for politicians who ARE NOT more sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #149

Of course I understand. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #155

If that's 'how this works,' you should be ashamed of yourself. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #216

You don't understand it, let me help. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #220

So she should be dishonest with the American people if it means that being dishonest JDPriestly Jul 2015 #84

She's not being dishonest--she's letting her former boss do his thing without her interference. MADem Jul 2015 #135

This reminds me of the paragraph in Elizabeth Warren's book in which she describes JDPriestly Jul 2015 #145

Wow! Oh, baby! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #150

The LOYAL thing must be the newest meme. Perhaps I will have better luck with you in this dilemma. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #224

I don't mean to be rude, but haven't you read the papers lately? MADem Jul 2015 #239

Yes it sounds like she is really supporting him. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #253

I enjoy the gift of literacy, and I did read the article. MADem Jul 2015 #256

I like this: A Simple Game Jul 2015 #259

You're working that "rift" hook a bit too hard. This is an ancient article we are discussing, MADem Jul 2015 #262

Yes it is pretty old, almost a year. Sorry I forgot that the use by date for A Simple Game Jul 2015 #272

You're working so very hard to have hurt feelings. MADem Jul 2015 #273

Awww, you didn't have to tell me that it matters not to you, that was obvious when you A Simple Game Jul 2015 #274

I guess you didn't figure out from my last post that we're done! MADem Jul 2015 #275

I liked Dean too, but he didn't implode, he was exploded. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #278

No--he imploded BEFORE he exploded. MADem Jul 2015 #281

Wow that article really got to you, it must have really hit a sore spot, sorry I brought it up. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #286

Tsk tsk--throwing shade like that is beneath you. You shouldn't play that--you lose. nt MADem Jul 2015 #287

Where was all of this loyalty when she was scrambling to his right on arming Syrians? TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #225

Don't get so angry. It's a discussion. You disagree. And I disagree with you. MADem Jul 2015 #235

Craven excuse making and lame rationalizations pretty much sum LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #269

'Vote for Me Now, Ask Questions Later' John Poet Jul 2015 #74

She lacks the courage to be a good president. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #83

Too many "Americans" V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #201

That's a good part of WHY she's still the frontrunner so far. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #161

If anything, she is a politician. With Sen Sanders, what you see is what you get. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #237

She's cruising to get BERNED ! V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #193

Someone elsewhere here bvf Jul 2015 #3

That's a clip that will haunt her for a long time. winter is coming Jul 2015 #4

How arrogant that she assumes she will be president. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #5

They all assume that. murielm99 Jul 2015 #56

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2015 #77

She hasn't earned my vote and never will... cocainecowboy Jul 2015 #63

You might as well vote for the republican. murielm99 Jul 2015 #82

Shit on your boss who can help you in your general election campaign? Now THAT's a stupid move! MADem Jul 2015 #6

Nonetheless, bvf Jul 2015 #9

! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #13

This one's better. bvf Jul 2015 #16

LOL! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #29

Oooo I like to dance a little side step... 1monster Jul 2015 #120

LOL, I was thinking that, too! n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #126

Not buying it. ram2008 Jul 2015 #10

Still trying to play the game customerserviceguy Jul 2015 #160

So the President won't campaign for someone who disagrees with one of his policies? winter is coming Jul 2015 #11

Short answer? YES. Yes, he will NOT campaign. MADem Jul 2015 #15

If that's how politics is played, we're better off going with a candidate not too winter is coming Jul 2015 #20

+1 Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #28

+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #31

+3 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #33

Good grief--surely you don't think it goes down any other way??? MADem Jul 2015 #46

If he winds up winning the nomination (highly unlikely) he'll get even less support..... George II Jul 2015 #55

Yeah, kinda like the Mafia passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #78

+1 JDPriestly Jul 2015 #103

Speaking of shallow, how about someone who spurned the Democratic Party all his life... George II Jul 2015 #41

Shallow...or opportunistic? Inquiring minds want to know! nt MADem Jul 2015 #43

Two Words - Ralph Nader Armstead Jul 2015 #72

Is that why we Democrats lost so badly in 2016? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #158

Which is why she hasn't been highly critical of his foreign policy! ieoeja Jul 2015 #202

Remember you are dealing with Clinton folks SwampG8r Jul 2015 #163

if that is the case and Obama is as petty m-lekktor Jul 2015 #14

It's not a question of "petty." It's a question of rudimentary intelligence. MADem Jul 2015 #21

her negatives are too high for her to be cute. it just highlites her oppositions courage roguevalley Jul 2015 #40

Who's talking about "cute?" This is common sense. MADem Jul 2015 #101

If you want someone without courage... ram2008 Jul 2015 #105

Now that's just baiting snark. Waaah!!! Vote for JEB BUSH!!!! MADem Jul 2015 #112

Maybe Hillary should get new focus testers then ram2008 Jul 2015 #117

She's doing fine, and she's exactly where she needs to be. MADem Jul 2015 #125

6.3 baby! I think a volcano is waking up. Oh joy. :D roguevalley Jul 2015 #246

Do stay safe and well. Get out the cat carrier, if you have one, just in case. MADem Jul 2015 #248

Keystone is not a signature issue for Obama. CanadaexPat Jul 2015 #89

It will be if he comes out for it--she wants to see what way he jumps. MADem Jul 2015 #99

She doesn't want the media to paint her as "pushing" Obama. She understands that leaders gotta MADem Jul 2015 #222

Thanks for bringing some reality to the discussion, MADem. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #22

It's like shovelling sand against the tide. The sexist snark, the "Ewww, I hate Hillary" posts MADem Jul 2015 #35

If a male candidate said he'd only divulge his opinion if elected... Armstead Jul 2015 #76

I think he'd be called pragmatic and thoughtful, weighing all the options, not being hasty or MADem Jul 2015 #102

Hillary, emotional? ram2008 Jul 2015 #107

I have news for you (and you're apparently unclear on the process, from your comments). MADem Jul 2015 #133

I don't think so Armstead Jul 2015 #109

Well, I do. And since you don't understand the constraints that a cabinet official -- or a former MADem Jul 2015 #131

I understand the constraints. But that does not prevent her rom taking a position. Armstead Jul 2015 #162

It does if she MADem Jul 2015 #165

You can say that about any issue. I give Obama a lot more credit than you do. Armstead Jul 2015 #167

It's clear that you want to continue challenging me about this, but I think I've been as clear as I MADem Jul 2015 #229

Well what you say cuts to the heart of the system. And the system is f----ing most of us. Armstead Jul 2015 #231

It's not my job to change the world. I just want to see the best possible candidate, in my view MADem Jul 2015 #233

The bst way to ensure my side loses is for me to run for office Armstead Jul 2015 #238

I drive voters to the polls. Like I said, I'm on the back end of the course. MADem Jul 2015 #240

I suppose this could go on forever but one last point Armstead Jul 2015 #243

I'd love to see new voices in the mix--I just wish they'd get involved where it matters every day, MADem Jul 2015 #261

My view exactly. Voters need to know where azmom Jul 2015 #166

Not by anyone that cares about the environment. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #156

It's a PUMA talking point, everyone who criticizes Hillary is "sexist". beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #128

"reality"? LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2015 #208

"There is No Win to opening her mouth. NONE." Man-oh-man truer words were never spoken. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #23

I'm sure you thought that was clever, because, ya know, you don't like her and stuff. MADem Jul 2015 #30

She can't win Without rallying the base, and this won't do it. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #192

Like Bernie can win without blacks, Hispanics and those women who want to see a woman in the White MADem Jul 2015 #206

Her boss is and her loyalty should be first to the American people. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #226

That happens after she takes the oath. Not before. nt MADem Jul 2015 #234

Now if that's not a Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #8

Oh it's smart ibegurpard Jul 2015 #59

Share? L0oniX Jul 2015 #209

Yeah, that's gonna help her *likeability* ratings. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #12

I think she basically said she is for it... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #17

(Cough.) The Secretary of State executes policy on behalf of, and at the bidding of, the POTUS. MADem Jul 2015 #27

Is that why she redacted the authors names on the impact report, Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #34

She wasn't slaughtering Nazis in the Rose Garden for Obama--the "only following orders" MADem Jul 2015 #42

oh. my. god Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #48

No, she's not, but she's also not Super SECSTATE who shows up at work and says MADem Jul 2015 #129

"Just following orders" is not a good excuse in the case of Secretary Clinton and Keystone XL Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #132

Have the last word, now--it's obvious that you're out of your depth and have no grasp of US history. MADem Jul 2015 #134

Oh boy... Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #136

Nazis! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #140

"maybe you need a nap" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #137

If you think that was a meltdown you have a major perspective issue. MADem Jul 2015 #139

Cheers Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #141

More of the double standard from Clinton supporters. Jim Lane Jul 2015 #147

+1 bazillion beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #148

Hillary's answer was, to paraphrase: The XL pipeline. That's Obama's business right now. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #111

And she's right--it IS his business, and he's her former boss, and she will be asking him for help MADem Jul 2015 #116

I gather from you posts that you assume that Hillary favors the pipeline. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #144

No--exact opposite, in fact. MADem Jul 2015 #219

I agree that the pipeline is yesterday. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #228

Once this issue is resolved, it's done. The only people who care, as I have said, are MADem Jul 2015 #232

I like Sanders because he is not taking corporate money and is unafraid to tell the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #244

I don't doubt that the guy means well. MADem Jul 2015 #252

Latinos will vote for Jeb to see Colomba as azmom Jul 2015 #279

Creo que no--es verdad. Completamente. MADem Jul 2015 #280

Not saying they are not making a play for the latino azmom Jul 2015 #282

And, as the link I provided illustrates, they are using "First Hispanic Primera Dama" as a hook. MADem Jul 2015 #283

This is what I have a problem with azmom Jul 2015 #284

Do you want more links? I can give them to you. MADem Jul 2015 #285

Let me try again. azmom Jul 2015 #288

That's what I'm hearing--so it's down to opinion, here. MADem Jul 2015 #289

So all she was was a bureaucratic functionary, rubber stamping documents at Obama's behest? tularetom Jul 2015 #75

She certainly worked with POTUS in crafting policy--even policy she might not have personally MADem Jul 2015 #124

You can't have it both ways tularetom Jul 2015 #169

Sorry--I most certainly CAN. In fact, I am doing just that. MADem Jul 2015 #170

I'll cop to a visceral dislike of Sec Clinton tularetom Jul 2015 #171

I think you need to re-read. MADem Jul 2015 #263

Oh, horrors! okasha Jul 2015 #18

She has no leadership ability ram2008 Jul 2015 #24

+1. Stake a position and live with the consequences. winter is coming Jul 2015 #36

If you really need that explained, okasha Jul 2015 #47

whut? frylock Jul 2015 #70

Wow, they're really getting desperate. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #98

translated DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #104

Aren't gaffes unintentional? WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #52

She only ran the State Department BainsBane Jul 2015 #54

Prevent Defense. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #25

Politics is chess, not football. okasha Jul 2015 #37

then what the hell is Hillary playing? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #142

Politics. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #186

Politics is politics kenfrequed Jul 2015 #157

"Her speech will be her interview." I've never understood that line of thinking. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #19

Sounds like it's Obama's choice. jalan48 Jul 2015 #26

Butter up a POTUS or butter up the electorate? chknltl Jul 2015 #32

That's like when she said we "need to go beyond Dodd/Frank" 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #38

She knows it will cost her votes if she states azmom Jul 2015 #164

sooooo marie antoinette mooseprime Jul 2015 #44

I really did not like that answer. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #51

Is the decision on Keystone Pipeline going to wait until 2017 to get resolved? I Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #58

Bernie's position on this issue is crystal clear ram2008 Jul 2015 #60

"...WHEN I become president,..." ?? Petrushka Jul 2015 #61

Nice! Perfect visuals for this. glinda Jul 2015 #79

I actually like that ibegurpard Jul 2015 #86

I've seen a better version of that .gif fbc Jul 2015 #93

Oh yes! 840high Jul 2015 #143

LOL Petrushka Jul 2015 #146

Become president? That's only a formality... L0oniX Jul 2015 #212

Just a thought ---> Petrushka Jul 2015 #271

I don't vote for surprise packages. nt NCjack Jul 2015 #62

I don't vote for surprise packages. nt NCjack Jul 2015 #64

No where close to an acceptable answer. Moostache Jul 2015 #67

You have got to be kidding. And people want to vote for this? glinda Jul 2015 #80

Can it have anything to do with the 1.6 million azmom Jul 2015 #106

Cool. You become president, I'll decide whether to vote for you. jtuck004 Jul 2015 #110

Saudi's pumping cheap oil has killed it, most likely. joshcryer Jul 2015 #114

i think we just saw her 47% moment restorefreedom Jul 2015 #122

Not Good Enough, Hillary. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #127

Honestly, as bad as XL is, I am more worried about the TPP at the moment. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #152

Not to mention Taxpayers will be on the hook for the ultimate clean ups from spills etc. 2banon Jul 2015 #174

+100% Enthusiast Jul 2015 #178

Trust me..... nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #154

Joe Isuzu -- the Patron Saint of American Politicians... Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #172

Oh, I loved those commercials! SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #183

Me, too. We DESPERATELY need someone with a captioning machine Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #218

It's pretty common for members of an existing cabinet to avoid criticizing a sitting President... Sancho Jul 2015 #159

Is there anybody in her base that supports the pipeline? WDIM Jul 2015 #176

No spine AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #181

She sold it to Wall Street for campaign cash.[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #190

Is that quote going to be posted every day from now on? George II Jul 2015 #187

Just until she states her position. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #194

Or says something even dumber. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #277

I hope so ram2008 Jul 2015 #242

I can't decide which is worse LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #188

+1000 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #198

How clever. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #191

I like Hillary, but I have to say CanonRay Jul 2015 #195

Chicken shit. polichick Jul 2015 #199

Kick and R BeanMusical Jul 2015 #200

"I'm not gonna tell you what I plan to do if you elect me--'cause it's a surprise!" tblue37 Jul 2015 #204

It's a "minimize your losses" approach. My guess is her team feels she would stand to lose more NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #207

Wow - she really did say that. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #210

Don't vote for her in the GE BKH70041 Jul 2015 #211

OK LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #268

... truebluegreen Jul 2015 #214

she cannot risk offending her corporate bosses.... mike_c Jul 2015 #215

What a chicken-shit answer Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #221

+1. Not a good answer to make if you're trying to convince people winter is coming Jul 2015 #227

It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Alkene Jul 2015 #223

I think she'll probably win but I'm really tending not to vote for her. Kablooie Jul 2015 #241

What a pant(suit)load whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #245

She supports it libodem Jul 2015 #247

I would not accept that answer from anybody. Not Bernie, not Elizabeth Warren, JFK or FDR. GoneFishin Jul 2015 #254

Sorry Hillary that is not how it works. We select our candidate on what they think about the issues. jwirr Jul 2015 #264

I just keep coming back to your OP. It really is what is wrong with Autumn Jul 2015 #276

Meanwhile, serious people are hanging from bridges to protest fracking. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #292

K & R L0oniX Jul 2015 #294