2016 Postmortem

leveymg

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129. We have conflicting sources, and I can dig out mine if you ask.

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:16 PM

Jul 2015

I distinctly recall the details I mentioned about the identity of who set the system up and the finding that it was configured incorrectly creating a vulnerability. NSA is able to disencrypt all commercial encryption, and so presumably, can the the Chinese and the Russians and perhaps some other foreign states.

Also, a great number of what was originally declared "private" and withheld by Clinton on that basis was later determined to be official matters that should have been turned over to Congressional Committees. The Clinton lawyers then destroyed the remainder. We now find out that some of those emails on the destroyed server may have actually been official and that the method used to separate out the official communications -- a keyword search without human review -- was grossly inadequate.

The Department would only have the "official" email that was turned over by Hillary's lawyers or messages that were to or Cced to DOS staff. She did not systematically cc her email on her own server to the State system, as some do to comply with the law.

The only reliable backup in this case is the NSA, and as I said, they may have been ordered to minimize (NSA-speak for destroy) their intercepted copy.

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I Know I'll Catch Hell For Posting This, But... The HRC E-Mail Story Just Turned Real Serious... [View all] WillyT Jul 2015 OP

... zappaman Jul 2015 #1

So far it is serious only because it could damage her campaign. Vattel Jul 2015 #2

+1,000,000 Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #6

It shouldn't be, though. Fawke Em Jul 2015 #8

HI, Fawke!!! elleng Jul 2015 #12

Hey there! Fawke Em Aug 2015 #133

LOL! elleng Aug 2015 #142

Auditable is the key.[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #46

You can't audit a server after its been destroyed - that's the crime here. leveymg Jul 2015 #84

Maybe, but I really wonder why people didn't read about this... Sancho Jul 2015 #102

The original home server was set up the day she had her Senate confirmation int'w. That one was leveymg Jul 2015 #122

I disagree (and the reports disagree) with some of what you are saying.... Sancho Jul 2015 #125

We have conflicting sources, and I can dig out mine if you ask. leveymg Jul 2015 #129

Possibly. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #134

In the event of a real war, gov't networks wouldn't last any longer than the satellites they rely on leveymg Aug 2015 #138

Yep. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #135

If nothing else, it shows a serious lack of judgment on Hillary's part. Thankfully, we have a viable alternative who's surging in the polls. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #56

His candidacy has stagnated like a retention pond during a drought. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #58

I respectfully disagree...but, I would welcome Joe into the race and be very interested in hearing his views. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #60

There are no American forces in Baghdad n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #111

'Stagnated'? Sounds more like Hillary's campaign John Poet Jul 2015 #115

She has stagnated at 57% of the Democratic primary vote. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #120

Only if you only watch the M$M. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #136

I'd be for that... Adrahil Jul 2015 #73

I'll back you up on that. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #137

Yup! Thumb's up! nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #139

That might be true where you work, cheapdate Jul 2015 #101

I didn't say she broke the law. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #140

Sorry. My mistake. cheapdate Aug 2015 #141

Actually It Looks Like A Fight Between National Intelligence and the State Department... WillyT Jul 2015 #9

Admitting little connection, why link something you admit has little to do with Clinton as if it does? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #55

Because It's Going To be Used To Pound Hillary Clinton WillyT Jul 2015 #65

Please see post #14. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #66

Just helping "them" out in the pounding, if I understand you correctly? Why? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #81

And the Bernistas are so sad, they'll keep hammering on it. ;) Adrahil Jul 2015 #74

Colin Powell too used private emails for his business Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #3

When Powell and the Bush admin used private email, DU was against it arcane1 Jul 2015 #28

+1. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #37

The point is, that the powers that now want Hillary's head on a platter for this Sheepshank Jul 2015 #43

Agreed n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #44

Okay, we can all agree then...Colin Powell, like Hillary, showed extremely poor judgment and should never be President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #59

in the crosshairs? bigtree Jul 2015 #4

Somebody has to say this so I will... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #39

Not so. Some of us are security professionals who are aware of the vulnerabilities Maedhros Jul 2015 #53

We will just have to let Democratic primary voters litigate this.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #61

It's not Democratic primary voters that you should be worried about frylock Jul 2015 #100

Then we just have to let the American voters litigate this. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #121

And when the American voters decide they don't trust her.. frylock Jul 2015 #123

Blaming others is what the weak do. DemocratSinceBirth is anything but weak. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #124

"The HRC E-Mail Story Just Turned Real Serious..." NCTraveler Jul 2015 #5

Link, Please... WillyT Jul 2015 #7

Here: JaneyVee Jul 2015 #13

And I'm sure they read this. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #82

Tons of "concern" NCTraveler Jul 2015 #14

That's a lot of concern! nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #16

Just the tip of the iceberg. I see probably a hundred more of the op voicing their "concern." NCTraveler Jul 2015 #17

To quote Joe Biden our friend thinks "it's a big f---ing deal." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

He's the King of Rerun OPs. My favorite was the 'civil rights don't matter' series.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #94

Link(s) have been posted. MineralMan Jul 2015 #27

Just Goes To Show I Was On Top Of The Story All Along... WillyT Jul 2015 #33

Oh, I'd never suggest that you not post anything. MineralMan Jul 2015 #42

Nah, it just goes to show your insight that "I know I'll catch Hell for this'. However,, I do think still_one Jul 2015 #52

Perfect summation. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #92

Who is denying anything? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #75

What did MM deny. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #83

I don't think this is a worthwhile thing to focus on jfern Jul 2015 #114

I agree they are a problem in regards to good government mmonk Jul 2015 #10

Like her Iraq War vote, this is one more example of her poor judgment. Zorra Jul 2015 #23

There are many who take notice of the reality of this issue mmonk... haikugal Jul 2015 #51

. mmonk Jul 2015 #54

Suddenly you're concerned about the mishandling of classified information, Willy? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #11

That's different, see... MineralMan Jul 2015 #29

Yeah, that doesn't look good. winter is coming Jul 2015 #15

OMG...... BooScout Jul 2015 #18

People that don't like her ibegurpard Jul 2015 #19

Actually people on DU don't like her. By all accounts most Democrats do like her still_one Jul 2015 #47

Something everyone should know.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #20

Good post. Thanks for clarifying. DanTex Jul 2015 #21

That thought had occurred to me during the whole mess. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #79

Yes, we get it by now, you're hoping this will derail her candidacy. DanTex Jul 2015 #22

whether anyone here hopes it or not is irrelevant ibegurpard Jul 2015 #25

Nor Anyone's... WillyT Jul 2015 #31

Selective reading in order to placate your "concern." NCTraveler Jul 2015 #38

Thank you Willy. 840high Jul 2015 #105

Whatever Dan... I Gave The Heads-Up... Do With It What You Will... WillyT Jul 2015 #26

Thanks for the heads up. And also for the last 20 heads ups about the same issue. DanTex Jul 2015 #34

"I Gave The Heads-Up... Do With It What You Will..." NCTraveler Jul 2015 #49

A little from the write up. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #24

Did I hear right Clinton will be testifying in front of Congress in October? WDIM Jul 2015 #30

I expect that to be nothing but GOP theatrics. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #36

That would be really big for her. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #40

AND in the case of Bengahzi Sheepshank Jul 2015 #71

Your concern is duly noted. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #32

FOIA what it's worth, I agree HFRN Jul 2015 #35

Can anyone defend her handling of her communications as PROPER and CORRECT? TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #45

The thing is, there should have been some career govies around to tell the political winter is coming Jul 2015 #57

The people closest to her were allowed to run her business at State, in contrast TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #64

It was legal, beyond that, who cares? DanTex Jul 2015 #67

Her conduct as SoS, her management and policy directives, her staffing choices, her TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #68

I don't see it at all. Besides the political fallout, I don't see any consequences whatsoever DanTex Jul 2015 #72

I think she was at best an ineffectual SoS. She was all about preserving herself for her Pres run TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #86

One is correct if one has suffered total amnesia and even forgotten who kickstarted the Iran peace deal. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #91

I don't defend her. 840high Jul 2015 #106

It looks like hootinholler Jul 2015 #48

The HRC e-mail "scandal" will NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING GitRDun Jul 2015 #50

It plays into a well established narrative. Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #76

Where we differ in our opinion is why some people don't trust her. GitRDun Jul 2015 #96

The (R)s will use all of these no matter what Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #98

Well seems like we agree then. GitRDun Jul 2015 #131

Yep, the Hillary supporters who have attacked every source can't do that with this one. askew Jul 2015 #62

Welcome to DU! Your concern is duly noted redstateblues Jul 2015 #78

I believe you are right. 840high Jul 2015 #107

BusinessInsider Has It Now... WillyT Jul 2015 #63

Exciting, isn't it? randome Jul 2015 #69

Your interlocutor is about to reach the point ascension any moment. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #70

Is that your Big Bang Theory? randome Jul 2015 #77

Your interlocutor has been building to a crescendo for several months. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #80

So do other sites - it's not going away. 840high Jul 2015 #108

Even if she did nothing wrong (which is debatable), xynthee Jul 2015 #85

Yep, it comes down to judgment again. She has a long history of terrible judgment. askew Jul 2015 #89

Why the HELL -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2015 #87

IMO - she thinks she can't be touched. 840high Jul 2015 #109

There's not much here zipplewrath Jul 2015 #88

So Far... There's Another E-Mail Dump Tomorrow... WillyT Jul 2015 #95

If the emails weren't marked "classified," how would she know if they were? Vinca Jul 2015 #90

I doubt if anything criminal happened. Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #99

That's my point. Vinca Jul 2015 #117

they will still smear her with it, if she is the nominee n/t Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #118

No doubt about that. It's like Whitewater all over again. Vinca Jul 2015 #119

I'd suggest that the nature of the communication would likely inform her HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #116

"The HRC E-Mail Story Just Turned Real Serious" -- AGAIN?! wyldwolf Jul 2015 #93

OMG It's really getting serious now lol moobu2 Jul 2015 #97

it's a different day right? still_one Jul 2015 #103

It's Series! nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #112

If Hillary drops out, I will be looking at Biden or O'Malley. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #104

I think the Prez. would happy if Biden. 840high Jul 2015 #110

Did Condi have her own private email service and if so, then they need to include her sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #113

K & R L0oniX Jul 2015 #126

"Not marked classified at the time they were stored..." elfin Jul 2015 #127

1917 Espionage Act: Gov't comms don't have to be marked secret if diverted to private purposes leveymg Jul 2015 #132

H.R.C. is a brilliant lawyer olddots Jul 2015 #128

The baggage department is full fadedrose Jul 2015 #130