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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: 'A Moment of Shame' ~ Bernie V Hillary on the DLC/Republican 'Welfare Reform Bill' [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)198. Fight? You drag a rabid right wing smear monger into a thread about ISSUES
and you are called on it and you now you are crying that people are FIGHTING? You can bet you will be called on using right wing sources to try smear candidates for the Democratic Nomination on a Democratic Forum. What did you expect? I know if I did that I would expect to be called on it.
If you don't want to be corrected, then just address the Issues, that is all that is going to matter in this campaign.
Bernie was right on this issue, Hillary was wrong.
If you disagree with that, that's ALL you needed to say.
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'A Moment of Shame' ~ Bernie V Hillary on the DLC/Republican 'Welfare Reform Bill' [View all]
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
OP
And he has consistently stoop up for minorities. Those who are the most vulnerable
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#2
Trump is attracts people: He should never become President! Sander is not a leader!
lewebley3
Aug 2015
#224
No, you don't. That's why you claimed "sat in s small state for 73 years doing nothing but talk"
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#227
That or they get all of their information from HC supporters on DU.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#179
That's true. The average welfare recipient in my county is a white single mom with two kids.
PatrickforO
Jul 2015
#6
Well written and informative post, I know it's early but this post gets my vote for post of the day.
A Simple Game
Jul 2015
#122
Omg, that is one of THE best and most truthful posts I've ever seen on DU. You are a gem
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#129
Monumental post. Thank you and I hope you consider making it an OP. Seattle truly rocks.
appalachiablue
Aug 2015
#214
Do you feel that way ("This was a Republican Bill, no self respecting Dem should have....
George II
Jul 2015
#15
...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider.
Scootaloo
Jul 2015
#106
Hillary advertises her term as 1st Lady as part of her political record. So, I went to that
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#8
Let me ask you, do you think that a Republican bill based on the dog whistling from
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#41
She lobbied for it, she has stated that proudly, but that wasn't my question.
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#69
Bernie wouldn't want to be put in a position of having to defend his wife's tenure as
MADem
Jul 2015
#53
She left in a hurry, there was a bad loan and a ill-thought out expansion plan, the
MADem
Jul 2015
#82
Excuse me--I specifically said I did NOT believe the fraud reports. And I hate to tell you this,
MADem
Jul 2015
#157
Right wing attacks on the Clintons are just as fraudulent. THIS OP is based on POLICY
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#183
Is Jane for running for the WH and is Tucker Carlson, who I'm sure will have lots to say
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#190
I'm so proud that Bernie will not sink to this level and neither will I. But as I pointed out
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#197
Sure, sure, whatever you say....that's why you're constantly fighting with people here.
MADem
Aug 2015
#196
It's what he does, I posted facts about HC's record on lgbt rights and this is how he responded:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#201
You know I guess it's hard to try to talk about issues when your candidate has been so wrong
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#202
Yep. We need to keep challenging the lies with facts about Bernie's record.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#210
Where does Hillary stand on the Welfare Reform Bill and WHY did she work so hard to get it passed?
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#204
The thread is about issues, itsn't about fighting. If you don't want to discuss the issues
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#207
Since it came up: "Top Feminist: Hillary Clinton Has 'Accomplished Nothing' In Life"
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#194
Excellent teaching moment. Thank you. Good for you for not linking to that vile site.
sabrina 1
Aug 2015
#200
Are you saying that there is anything in the OP that is incorrect? You know that Hillary
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#55
You could have addressed me directly, rather than getting in an oblique dig like that.
MADem
Jul 2015
#155
I don't mind if he does, so long as she isn't responsible for getting any Republican
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#125
There's a difference though. Bernie wasn't that involved in his wife's career...
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#68
I think a former president is fair game in a discussion of presidential politics. Do you disagree?
Ed Suspicious
Jul 2015
#103
I think a Chief of Staff and Political Advisor are fair game in a discussion of presidential
MADem
Jul 2015
#150
Excellent response, thank you. I really wasn't getting the point of that comment.
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#126
Hillary Clinton's advocacy for her husband's horrendous welfare reform bill is the point.
The Green Manalishi
Jul 2015
#144
The bottom line is this--if you want to bring a spouse's policies into the mix, you'd best make
MADem
Jul 2015
#151
And I'm sure you have transcripts of heart-to-heart conversations between HRC and her husband.
MADem
Jul 2015
#154
As lame as posting "RAPE FANTASIES!!1!" in a thread about welfare reform?
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#233
Ah--since you didn't answer the question, I'll assume "Just trying to denigrate" is your response.
MADem
Aug 2015
#235
Plus Sander's wife took a $200,000 parachute to leave, compares to executives on Wall Street getting
Thinkingabout
Jul 2015
#170
Shocking the Sanders would be in on taking a parachute when she left the university, I am surprised
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#174
She was lucky to get that amount because she ruined the place and left just ahead of being fired.
MADem
Aug 2015
#234
Yes. But the myth excuses and at the same time results in a lot of racism on all kinds of
JDPriestly
Jul 2015
#112
This isn't the only thing, either. Clinton lost me in 1992 when she was assigned to develop
PatrickforO
Jul 2015
#4
Good post, and you are exactly right. It forced single moms into the workplace
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#44
I've been a firm advocate for gun control...Bernie lost me because he's a gun nut...
Sancho
Jul 2015
#119
And if his somewhat divrgent position on gun control is so important to you....
Armstead
Jul 2015
#168
Rich person arrogance: “I agreed that he should sign it and worked hard to round up votes for
Zorra
Jul 2015
#5
'Spoken like a true Republican' Exactly, that's what I thought when I read that. It made me
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#46
Look at their record? Bernie support the military complex when the pork comes home!
Sancho
Jul 2015
#120
And there are so many more truth bombs that will wipe the floor with all the
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#135
No, they haven't. Bill still thinks it was a great thing. I believe he views it as one of
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#48
Yeah, if you actually look at her statements, you'll note she never mentions a specific wage.
jeff47
Jul 2015
#25
I updated my post seconds after I hit "post my reply"...she did endorse a $15 an hour wage...
George II
Jul 2015
#29
She has not supported the $15 min wage, she has stated she supports a 'hike'. Unless it
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#73
Does she still support THIS awful piece of Republican legislation which she did from
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#50
Sorry, but no, unfortunately some here are just not willing to accept (or admit) that she supports..
George II
Jul 2015
#89
Where does she say 'I am signing on to the $15 minimum wage' that has now become
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#134
"Hillary Clinton, First Lady at the time FULLY SUPPORTED her husband's Welfare Reform Bill"
George II
Jul 2015
#16
Nope. You're just trying to take one piece of legislation and isolating it from.....
George II
Jul 2015
#38
This OP is about one piece of legislation, one that has hurt Minority Women, single mothers
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#76
What's so hard to understand? Did Hillary support this or not? She told us to look
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#58
Bill Clinton signed it and Hillary supported it and admits she even 'rounded up votes
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#52
Did you read any of the links I provided in the OP? Hillary OWNED it, she has applauded it
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#149
"a system oriented toward dependence to one that encouraged independence" < ? He took one in
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#24
How often do First Ladies boast about 'rounding up votes' for their husband's
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#63
That and so many other pieces of legislation that need to be discussed in this campaign
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#81
Settling For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils Is No Longer The Only Option - Go Bernie Go
cantbeserious
Jul 2015
#45
No problem when you stick to issues, when you compare the records of candidates,
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#67
Bernie excels on the issues, especially on Civil Rights and no amount of distraction from that
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#72
Thanks, I was about to post that. His voting record on almost every, single issue of importance
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#132
Yep, I think that's what you get when someone isn't as obligated to campaign donors...
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#133
I love DeFazio, he has been consistently good on the issues, and on speaking out
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#137
Oh Wyden had some prostate surgery within a month or so of meeting with Paul Ryan..
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#143
it's a funny twist on Euthyphro--personality vs. policy: do we back someone only when they pass
MisterP
Jul 2015
#142
What better way of concern for the welfare of children than providing them a way and means of
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#213
And for those there are still social nets. Do you think the parents are getting more money by
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#220
I am working, I do not understand an attempt to degrade me for being willing to work on a job which
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#222
Since you refer to welfare deform, I feel degraded because I am working on a minmum wage job.
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#225