2016 Postmortem

1StrongBlackMan

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140. I think you are wishfully thinking ...

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:04 AM

Aug 2015

could you (or more than a few of the people you know) be persuaded to listen to someone with a republican or anarchist or klansman label, so that you/they can decide their vote?

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Does anyone really think the GOP wouldn't hammer Bernie about being a socialist 24/7? [View all] DanTex Jul 2015 OP

And is anyone scared yet? daleanime Jul 2015 #1

Not to mention other attacks on other things. leftofcool Jul 2015 #2

How about the honeymoon in communist Russia? I'm sure that will play great! DanTex Jul 2015 #3

even "communist Russia" is an ancient concept virtualobserver Jul 2015 #45

It would be great advertising for Socialism MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #4

We already have socialism fadedrose Jul 2015 #5

Yes we do....do you think ANY Republican admits that? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #120

Fire and police departments, public schools, TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #137

We ALSO socialize this - MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #165

That label has become as scary as a monster B movie from the 50's nt Xipe Totec Jul 2015 #6

You sure about that? 52% of Americans wouldn't consider voting for a socialist. DanTex Jul 2015 #7

We can argue opinions, or you can post a link to support your fears. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2015 #18

Here's the poll. DanTex Jul 2015 #31

Bernie loses somewhere between 38 and 45 states if nominated. Possibly even more. stevenleser Jul 2015 #54

more imaginary statistics virtualobserver Jul 2015 #105

No, they won't. 50% of people in the US will not vote for a Socialist. That stat is out there. stevenleser Jul 2015 #109

that poll is unattached to Bernie, and it is not chiseled in granite. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #125

So Bernie is the Magic (Democratic) Socialist? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #131

that poll is using the generic term- socialist virtualobserver Aug 2015 #132

I think you are wishfully thinking ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #140

even a kompassionate klansman would be tough to accept virtualobserver Aug 2015 #145

Step outside of your nuanced self ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #146

The beauty of self-describing is that you can provide a complete description virtualobserver Aug 2015 #147

Me either...very good post btw. nt haikugal Aug 2015 #152

I can't believe you just did that...I don't know if I should laugh or cry...really? haikugal Aug 2015 #151

I hadn't thought of that when I posted. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #160

Are these all landline users, too? artislife Aug 2015 #133

So Hillary supporters aren't going to vote for Bernie? neverforget Aug 2015 #136

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First, 63% of Americans didn't consider voting for anyone who ran in 2014 demwing Jul 2015 #95

Aren't a lot of the people the same ones who wouldn't vote for a woman? artislife Aug 2015 #135

That means 48% would to me. Scruffy1 Aug 2015 #161

...... daleanime Jul 2015 #19

Hammer them with- ruffburr Jul 2015 #8

Good plan. "Corporatist fascism", it just rolls off the tongue... DanTex Jul 2015 #11

Could backfire HassleCat Jul 2015 #9

Ya - they might hold up Europe's Free Healthcare as an example FreakinDJ Jul 2015 #10

+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #22

Interesting how Bernie uses Scandinavia as an example when convenient... Sancho Jul 2015 #130

I can't wait for them to start telling people what Bernie wants to do for the people. Bring it on Vincardog Jul 2015 #12

Anyone who thinks that the 'Socialist' label... BooScout Jul 2015 #13

Beyond naive, it's delusional. DanTex Jul 2015 #15

If I used that word.... BooScout Jul 2015 #21

"Obama is a Socialist." That's what the GOP's been saying for years. Armstead Jul 2015 #79

Obama never said "I'm a socialist". Huge difference. DanTex Jul 2015 #84

No it makes no difference. Armstead Jul 2015 #89

Of course it does. DanTex Jul 2015 #91

Let me ask you a simple and direct question. Armstead Jul 2015 #93

Afraid, no. But the GOP has managed to turn it into a bad word in national politics. DanTex Jul 2015 #114

Half of America equates .... BooScout Aug 2015 #163

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You would do well to read up on him.... BooScout Jul 2015 #44

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alrighty then... BooScout Jul 2015 #50

Do you think if Sanders is the nominee he would have full support from the 'Establishment' PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #53

Yes. Would you care to float an alternative? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #58

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it Gothmog Jul 2015 #57

MCGovern made a big mistake alright� Raine1967 Jul 2015 #116

Well dang.... BooScout Jul 2015 #117

Back in the McGovern days, a kid could walk right out of high school and into brewens Jul 2015 #52

+1 Go Vols Jul 2015 #83

^^^ this ^^^ nt Nevada Blue Jul 2015 #94

Damn Skippy azmom Jul 2015 #115

This Ain't 1972 demwing Jul 2015 #85

To me, at least, this is a poor analogy. Scruffy1 Aug 2015 #162

Are you honestly expecting anyone to switch support to Hillary because of that? djean111 Jul 2015 #14

Not really artislife Jul 2015 #16

That makes him stronger. That's his real secret weapon. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #17

LOL, vulnerability to attack ads is a "secret weapon" now. Almost as powerful as not being DanTex Jul 2015 #23

It may not be a bad thing. Many people who were brainwashed about Cleita Jul 2015 #20

You think that having to educate a public who has had "socialism bad" drilled into them for decades, DanTex Jul 2015 #26

They called Obama a socialist, and we know how well that worked in the last two elections virtualobserver Jul 2015 #43

A socialist with Saddam's middle name. Remember how dems tried to scare us from Obama? arcane1 Jul 2015 #64

I do believe that was Hillary, wasn't it :-) emsimon33 Jul 2015 #127

*chortle nt artislife Aug 2015 #134

"....who might have been born in kenya" Armstead Jul 2015 #82

But Obama never said "I'm a socialist". DanTex Jul 2015 #87

It doesn't matter......the term has lost its pop.....even "Communist China" virtualobserver Jul 2015 #103

Not according to polls. DanTex Jul 2015 #104

Polls say that Hillary is "untrustworthy"....... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #106

Her poll numbers against the GOP candidates are good. Not sure what this has to do DanTex Jul 2015 #107

who do you think that people would prefer...a socialist, or someone who is untrustworthy? n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #108

Well, obviously in this instance they prefer Hillary by a huge margin. DanTex Jul 2015 #110

we will see - Bernie is creeping up in a number of state polls virtualobserver Jul 2015 #124

Nothing is worse than ignorance and false premises. Cleita Jul 2015 #47

Thank you for pointing out that socialism and capitalism are economic systems, not types of Stardust Jul 2015 #119

I had the evils of socialism pounded into me Paka Jul 2015 #48

The GOP already calls Clinton "Hitlery". Do you really think the GOP likes Clinton? PassingFair Jul 2015 #24

Of course they hate Clinton. They'll hate any Dem. DanTex Jul 2015 #28

I think people are ready for democratic socialist policies. PassingFair Jul 2015 #32

Policies, maybe, but not for a person who says "I'm a socialist". DanTex Jul 2015 #37

He's running as a "Democrat" not a "Socialist" nt PassingFair Jul 2015 #69

He's on record saying "I'm a socialist". Many times. And he only became a Democrat recently. DanTex Jul 2015 #71

A progressive democrat by any other name wouldst smell as sweet. PassingFair Jul 2015 #75

Smell as sweet, yes, but not as electable. DanTex Jul 2015 #81

Negatives ads work and the Kochs would spend a great deal attacking Sanders Gothmog Jul 2015 #25

Ya think Americans won't hammer the GOP about Healthcare ??? FreakinDJ Jul 2015 #27

Why would they need to? We've got you. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #30

Who cares what the GOP does or thinks? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #33

They hammered Barack 24 X 7 on the topic. Scuba Jul 2015 #34

That's because he didn't say "I'm a socialist". He said "I'm not a socialist". DanTex Jul 2015 #39

Yeah, 'cause GOP voters always listen to what Dem candidates say. Scuba Jul 2015 #42

I'm counting on it hootinholler Jul 2015 #35

They already have. So what is your point? Let them show how out of touch they sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #36

No, no, no they have not. DanTex Jul 2015 #41

Socialism vs Social Democracy � What�s The Difference? notadmblnd Jul 2015 #40

Excellent! n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #56

They've been trying this forever; hasn't worked yet. Scuba Jul 2015 #46

Do Republicans flinch from "Conservative" or "Capitalist" or "Rightwing?" No, they embrace them. leveymg Jul 2015 #51

Heck no, that'd be #1; elleng Jul 2015 #55

They only attack Hillary, not Sanders. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #59

I still can't believe Nixon won. Everybody I know voted for redstateblues Jul 2015 #62

And everything always happens the same n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #67

Who cares? I have to deal with bullshit people every day. If I let them control what Zorra Jul 2015 #60

Bingo....I wish Democrats would take that to heart as a party Armstead Jul 2015 #86

certain Democrats ibegurpard Jul 2015 #90

Maybe more people will understand socialism Politicalboi Jul 2015 #61

Reminds me of "They'll go after "Hussein" and his blackness" and similar crap arcane1 Jul 2015 #63

2008: Does anyone really think the GOP wouldn't hammer a black Democrat with a Muslim African name? Depaysement Jul 2015 #65

Yep. This OP is the same FUD bullshit the Clinton crew gave us in 2008 arcane1 Jul 2015 #68

The term has lost 95% of its 'bite' from 50 years ago, like the term'Redskins'... 4139 Jul 2015 #66

Pew Survey: Young Americans Favor Socialism over Capitalism (you're right!!!) fbc Jul 2015 #72

Yes, young Americans. But not all Americans are young. The overall impression of socialism DanTex Jul 2015 #78

I hope so, it's time to get rid of the stigma attached to the word "socialism" fbc Jul 2015 #70

How about first getting rid of the stigma, before squandering a presidential race by DanTex Jul 2015 #73

Because people like you have been fighting ibegurpard Jul 2015 #80

Double Plus Good. Armstead Jul 2015 #92

What, me? What did I do? I'm not moving the party to the right, I'm a progressive Dem. DanTex Jul 2015 #111

GOP? How about we start right here at DU demwing Jul 2015 #74

They same way they hammer corporatist Obama for it? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #76

Hell, they always call Obama a Socialist already. Armstead Jul 2015 #77

Yes, in fact this is part of why more and more people want socialism fbc Jul 2015 #88

Ah yes, "The GOP" (wink wink nudge nudge) Scootaloo Jul 2015 #96

I have got to say, Scootaloo Aerows Jul 2015 #113

^^^This!^^^ beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #121

Perfectly said! arcane1 Jul 2015 #122

Ha! Wonderful response to the pearl clutching...I salute you!!! nt haikugal Aug 2015 #157

Wealth Daily, which I won't link to, called Hillary "The Great Socialist Warmonger" Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #97

Obama was able to make fun of them for that because he never said "I'm a socialist". DanTex Jul 2015 #98

The accusation of "Socialist" is used to flog voters to the polls by Republicans. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #101

That's because he was far from being a Socialist. Bernie thankfully, IS and THAT is why sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #123

Is "Liberal" still a dirty word for Democrats too? Armstead Jul 2015 #99

And Alison Grimes ibegurpard Jul 2015 #100

They have already started. But that is all you would hear about if he was the nominee. And as you stevenleser Jul 2015 #102

Shaking in my boots - TBF Jul 2015 #112

This thread is weak. Ron Green Jul 2015 #118

I agree that it will play well with the Fox crowd emsimon33 Jul 2015 #126

Problem is... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #128

If anyone remembers,the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry who is a war hero then be prepared for the Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #129

pure fantasy to think America's gonna elect an avowed socialist ericson00 Aug 2015 #138

The Republicans would bury Bernie in the general moobu2 Aug 2015 #139

Did anyone here think Democrats would bitch, whine, and moan about attacking other candidates davidpdx Aug 2015 #141

Yeah, I've noticed that about Bernistas. They smear Hillary all day long, and then someone points DanTex Aug 2015 #142

I was talking about you davidpdx Aug 2015 #144

Exactly, and the over-reactions are very telling. Bernie didn't exactly R B Garr Aug 2015 #166

It's an election. Scruffy1 Aug 2015 #159

I think the gop has inadvertently changed the definition by calling Pres. Obama a socialist. nc4bo Aug 2015 #143

Explain how the GOP can have an investigation on that trumped up offense? Autumn Aug 2015 #148

So what. It's losing it's efficacy. marmar Aug 2015 #149

The way FDR and the Greatest Generation were Socialists. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #150

So WTF, man? The GOoPers would call ANYBODY DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #153

They would... SidDithers Aug 2015 #154

'Nothing they've tried has stuck'? CanadaexPat Aug 2015 #155

Nearly 160 replies. Ten recs. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #156

I seem to have misplaced all of my fucks so I have one to give right now. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #158

They "hammer" because they have nothing else... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #164