2016 Postmortem

JoePhilly

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162. That's pretty weak.

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:34 PM

Aug 2015

You have no credible evidence anything was hacked or stolen from Clinton's server. Nothing.

And I gave you two examples in which information was stolen, from exactly the kind of servers you'd be demanding Hillary use, and you look away sheepishly.

The amazing thing about this ... I'm arguing this point with a RW in another forum right now.

I just pointed out to him this "scandal" is a lot like the IRS scandal, and the Ebola scandals.

Two scandals in which nothing actually happened. And this is a third scandal in which again, nothing actually happened.

I get the sense that many of the folks claiming to be so upset about HIllary's server on DU, would have been cheering if Snowden or Manning had gotten access to her emails, where ever they resided, and then leaked them to the world.

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Sorry, Hillary Clinton fans: her email errors are definitely newsworthy [View all] RiverLover Aug 2015 OP

Democratic primary voters and general election voters will have to litigate this. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #1

There will also be other (real) litigation, the timing of which could be deeply damaging. RiverLover Aug 2015 #9

I resent the that you impugn my character... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #10

I didn't refer to you at all, I replied to you but didn't talk about you. RiverLover Aug 2015 #12

You strongly implied the Clintons are gangsters. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #16

Hmmm... now you're attacked because she attacked Clinton Turchinsky Aug 2015 #186

Your embedded link re: "Racketeering Lawsuit" takes me to a legal action DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #14

It took you to The Hill. And I'm talking about more bad press coming our way RiverLover Aug 2015 #15

You linked to a cause of action initiated by Larry Klayman DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #18

yes, exactly. MBS Aug 2015 #21

agree karynnj Aug 2015 #146

It's the fact that this PREVENTABLE issue could damage our chances MBS Aug 2015 #154

They were thinking they would have a free pass on it mylye2222 Aug 2015 #197

Yes HappyPlace Aug 2015 #200

Strictly by the book? lol...laws, rules, regulations are for common folk...they don't apply to royalty...dontcha know? InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #156

The Comment Is Free section of the Guardian isn't actual news,it's name is sufrommich Aug 2015 #33

I was referring to Post 9 where my interlocutor suggested the Clintons are racketeers... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #37

OK,I just think it's important to understand that anyone calling sufrommich Aug 2015 #39

Thank you for pointing that out. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #72

Anyone basing their argument on Larry Klayman, just lost the argument still_one Aug 2015 #87

Klayman has also won FOIA suits against the Bush administration too 7962 Aug 2015 #64

He is a confirmed Clinton nemesis. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #68

Oh, I know he is. 7962 Aug 2015 #76

Actually I suspect he has severe mental issues, just like Orly Taitz still_one Aug 2015 #88

The words "fan" and "supporter" are synonymous. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #50

Fan is the diminutive of the word 'Fanatic' DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #57

And your failure to use a dictionary is sad. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #59

Not as a sad as your attempt to denigrate and disrespect your interlocutor from the anonymity of... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #61

My Friend ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #74

Fan is synonomous with supporter but that is not the same. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #80

Fan is derived from fanatic, but... thesquanderer Aug 2015 #92

+1 Agschmid Aug 2015 #150

Yes, I'm a football fan, but I'm not fanatical about my team. OTOH, I'm fanatical about Bernie, so I wouldn't just say I'm a Bernie fan. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #173

One of the positive things about Hillary having been persecuted by the GOP for two decades now DanTex Aug 2015 #2

Except for with ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #5

If you read this thread closely... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #23

True. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #36

OK, that was funny. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #73

I was going to use Michael Corleone or Tony Soprano as examples... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #89

Ha! HRC? Fugeddaboudit. ;) Adrahil Aug 2015 #128

And by a much larger percentage of the populous zeemike Aug 2015 #44

Gee ... 24/7 media presentation of "SCANDAL!!!111!!!!" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #49

Well it was never a guess for me. zeemike Aug 2015 #62

The email argument isn't swiftboating because it is actually true. askew Aug 2015 #54

Time for Hillary supporters to turn their eyes to Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #63

I prefer O'Malley. askew Aug 2015 #67

1000% above Hillary?...is that all? haha. O'Malley's much better too, I'm just not sure bout him on racial injustice. But I'm certainly open to what he has to say, Biden too if he runs. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #144

Bullshit. Thor_MN Aug 2015 #86

It would seem that you are unaware that she would HAVE to have a private email server... Walk away Aug 2015 #107

Which laws were broken? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #3

When all you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #8

RICO statutes, according to the seminal poster, please see Post 9 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #20

FOIA, and several executive orders were "broken" jeff47 Aug 2015 #95

Wasn't the information in the emails classified after the fact? Metric System Aug 2015 #4

That doesn't go along with the narrative so ... Shhhh! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #6

"undecided", remember? Romulox Aug 2015 #41

Yes. Undecided ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #47

I hope you aren't fooling *yourself* with that claptrap. Because NOBODY else is fooled. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #48

LOL ... Keep it up! You are showing exactly what I am talking about! LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #52

You've been a "centrist" since the first time you've posted here. Nobody "made" you that way. Romulox Aug 2015 #53

My {clutch pearls and cover the kiddie's ears, folks} "centrism" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #70

come sit beside me.... BooScout Aug 2015 #157

You're not going to vote for the candidate you like because somebody on the internet gave you a sad? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #166

Well ... yeah. I'm can't support a candidate because ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #169

Yep.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #183

That was an extremely rude statement ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #177

Dude.. ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #176

As someone who has a good understanding about the controversy could you tell me A Simple Game Aug 2015 #58

I have no idea ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #60

You can not send Information that is marked classified at the time on a yougov server in any case. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #75

The nformation attached to those emails were marked afterwards, were they not? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #77

I am not a government e-mail expert but neither are most of my interlocutors. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #84

No. None of them were _marked_ classified. jeff47 Aug 2015 #111

As I have said, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, I am content to let the American voters litigate this DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #115

And part of that litigation requires understanding what is actually going on. jeff47 Aug 2015 #117

I will ignore the ad hominem attack as it shows the weakness of my interlocutor's argument DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #127

So....you don't bother reading anything that contradicts your worldview. jeff47 Aug 2015 #132

I am willing to submit my judgment and my understanding of events DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #136

Because truth is measured by popularity. jeff47 Aug 2015 #160

I have given this a lot of thought while I was in the real world; the gym!!! DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #167

It's always best to project your beliefs on to other people instead of asking them. jeff47 Aug 2015 #168

Maybe you intimidate people in real life DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #172

Yes, and it explains the +15 conservative spread. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #171

Could you elaborate please? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #174

Hear, hear George II Aug 2015 #178

No. They are being redacted/marked as they are released. jeff47 Aug 2015 #106

The correct way to do it would be to communicate over a classified network. jeff47 Aug 2015 #104

Correct and smart way. Why would a supposedly smart person leave themselves open A Simple Game Aug 2015 #179

I honestly don't think she's super concerned about it. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #180

No. The IG's said some of that info was classified as secret at the time it was transmitted. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #97

No. They are being redacted as they are being released. jeff47 Aug 2015 #99

Why would that matter? Even a fool like myself would Exilednight Aug 2015 #192

Sorry, Hillary Haters. She's #45. onehandle Aug 2015 #7

that's odd, I thought they said she would be #44 nt HFRN Aug 2015 #11

that's odd, I didn't know Obama was running again nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #30

Whoosh (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #116

I am heading to the gym... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #131

You've been to 2016? Lancero Aug 2015 #31

Well, Trumps in the lead on the other side, so....... 7962 Aug 2015 #66

And Dems are the opposite of Reps....so...nt Sheepshank Aug 2015 #91

My point was you dont need time travel to see her winning in 16, 7962 Aug 2015 #121

Ahhh got it Sheepshank Aug 2015 #155

Disagreeing with Hillary is not the same thing as hating her Alfalfa Aug 2015 #108

Purposefully running with lying hit pieces about her is the same thing as hating her. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #137

The emails were classified after the fact moobu2 Aug 2015 #13

The emails contained classified information, period. They're being classified now because TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #101

No. The emails were marked classified after the fact. The information was classified at the time jeff47 Aug 2015 #114

Trevor Timm has never impressed me... BooScout Aug 2015 #17

Please see post 14... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #19

I saw that guy on TV one time and he seemed ok Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #188

Did you not see Collin Powell came out and said he used the same set up Thekaspervote Aug 2015 #22

What??? You mean the OP is a BS supporter? tavernier Aug 2015 #43

Well, that's one theory... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #134

That's a lie. askew Aug 2015 #56

If the neocon republican Colin Powell did it, then that makes it all ok somehow? Zorra Aug 2015 #100

Im willin 2 concede that if Powell, like Hillary, installed a private email server in his home 2 conduct govt business & wiped it clean, then he 2 disqualified himself from eva bein president. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #170

Private email account does not equal private home email server, first off. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #110

Horse manure Gman Aug 2015 #24

+1 SunSeeker Aug 2015 #27

+1000000000000 misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #51

Of course there is no difference eridani Aug 2015 #184

heh Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #25

This is a deliberately deceptive article. The emails were marked classified just now. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #26

You can't say this enough! People keep forgetting that. Laser102 Aug 2015 #71

Untrue. The Inspector Generals made clear that some of the info in a sample of emails TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #98

No, they were not considered classified at the time. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #140

No, information can be secret or top secret without being marked classified. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #143

Nope, the IG report does not say that. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #152

Yes, IG spokesperson said it as well. It was in the Wall Street Journal last week. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #181

Nope. That was not in the IG report. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #190

Yep. This is what the entire article was about. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #193

Nope. The article makes the same errors as the NYT article. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #195

Can't watch videos. Find me a link where the inspector generals say they made a mistake TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #198

Your own cnn link says the NYT story was inaccurate. The OP article restates the NYT story. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #199

The only flaw of the NYT story was the nature of the referral to DOJ. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #202

Nope. The IGO made no conclusion that Hillary "mishandled classified info." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #203

who would have marked the emails HRC wrote? karynnj Aug 2015 #148

The IG report did not say Hillary failed to comply with any requirements. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #151

IG Charles McCullough said she shouldn't have had that info in her emails or on her server. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #182

Nope. That is not what the IG report said. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #189

Yes. It was. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #194

Nope. See post 195 above. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #196

Marking the email now does not mean the information is classified now. jeff47 Aug 2015 #120

Hillary has complied with all applicable requirements regarding her emails. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #142

Except for the part where she did not turn them over when she left the job. jeff47 Aug 2015 #158

She did comply with all requirements. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #163

Is there an actual leak mentioned anywhere in there ... ??? JoePhilly Aug 2015 #28

I have a thought... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #34

What it sounds like to me is that our government still doesn't ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #38

No, they do. They're just operating in a different world. jeff47 Aug 2015 #125

And yet ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #141

The people who broke in would not announce it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #159

That's pretty weak. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #162

Why do you think someone who hacked it would announce it? jeff47 Aug 2015 #165

Well, emails being released to the public are redacted jeff47 Aug 2015 #123

Thank you SunSeeker Thekaspervote Aug 2015 #29

Don't ya think Thekaspervote Aug 2015 #32

What was Hillary's reason for using a private email account? jalan48 Aug 2015 #35

Yes, as long as there is a "D" after their name 7962 Aug 2015 #69

It's a bit like Orwell's 1984. Go team! jalan48 Aug 2015 #79

Jeb had a private e-mail server as FL governor as well and there are inexplicable gaps DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #94

I expect him to be an unethical SOB, which is why I won't vote for him. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #103

You are not compelled to vote for her... I look forward to her becoming #45 without you. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #109

If the law is applied evenly, she shouldn't be trusted with one. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #112

I would defend your right to death to arrive at that conclusion and not vote for her. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #118

What does this have to do with the propriety of using a private phone/email server jalan48 Aug 2015 #208

I said no such thing. If you want to push someone around find someone else, presumably in real life. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #209

Oh my! Go team! jalan48 Aug 2015 #210

You seem to like to dis strangers... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #211

Rah! Rah! Vote Blue! jalan48 Aug 2015 #212

You are full of all this rage. Not as a friend but as a fellow human being I suggest .... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #213

Wooooo Hooo-Hillary's #1 !!!! I need to get my pom poms! jalan48 Aug 2015 #214

I have to go soon. But while keeping you here I kept you from disrespecting strangers in real life. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #215

What would I do without you? jalan48 Aug 2015 #216

"What would I do without you?" DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #217

Absolutely, I might get hit in the head and become a Hillary supporter. jalan48 Aug 2015 #218

In the milieu in which I was raised the consequences of getting hit in the head come with more ... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #219

Good for you! jalan48 Aug 2015 #220

Her stated reason was so that she could carry one blackberry instead of two. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #126

Interesting. jalan48 Aug 2015 #130

The intent here is important. Maedhros Aug 2015 #204

Will probably never know that Thekaspervote Aug 2015 #40

We need to know WHAT she knew, and WHEN she knew it. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #42

I'm curious jehop61 Aug 2015 #45

They'll stay home & pout. And blame Hillary when Bush wins. misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #46

In my particular case, it won't matter if Clinton's the nominee. jeff47 Aug 2015 #129

Yawn. ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #55

They weren't classified when she sent and received. BIG difference! Laser102 Aug 2015 #65

Yes, the info contained in some of them was considered classified by intel agencies at the time. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #102

BS issue ginned up by RW media now picked up by Sandernistas. DCBob Aug 2015 #78

As always, consider the source. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #81

Yeah, leaking classified information is totally unimportant. jeff47 Aug 2015 #133

Hillary leaked classified information?? DCBob Aug 2015 #191

Did you think her emails were getting redacted for entertainment value? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #205

State Department spokesman Mark Toner said: 40RatRod Aug 2015 #82

Wow, there are a lot of dismissive posts in this thread! xynthee Aug 2015 #83

Her system was secured and while govt emails and files have been hacked Sheepshank Aug 2015 #96

No one knows how her system was secured. No one knows if it was hacked and China and Russia TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #105

See? Continued conjecture and made up shit trying to prove something. Nt Sheepshank Aug 2015 #113

There's no conjecture, government systems are to be used, NOT HOME SET-UPS and private accounts. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #119

The VPN device protecting her server used the default encryption keys. jeff47 Aug 2015 #135

The fact that she didn't use private DNS registration gives lie to your claim. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #207

Agreed. Her poor judgment is the real heart of the matter here. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #122

It is important for FOX and listeners to keep it going, when you don't have a candidate in which to Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #85

Don't be sorry for Hillary fans Sheepshank Aug 2015 #90

we've been fighting for years for transparency in GOP emails, most recently in FL nashville_brook Aug 2015 #124

The FOIA point is overstated thesquanderer Aug 2015 #93

Exactly right. It is State Department review that is slowing things down. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #139

I doubt you're sorry at all!! MADem Aug 2015 #138

The OP seems to have abandoned their thread Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #145

The OP was alerted. The alerter's accuses the OP of being the banned user Better Believe It DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #147

Thanks for the info....maybe I'll just ban myself. There are way too many heads the sand RiverLover Aug 2015 #161

I said at the beginning of the e-mail issue sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #149

I agree, well said. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #175

Clinton...repeatedly denied having classified information in her emails, rocktivity Aug 2015 #153

I have scandal fatigue already and still a whole year left to go of this. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #164

The more attention to emails, the less attention to her overall hawkish foreign policy n/t eridani Aug 2015 #185

Good point. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #187

Benghazi! Lil Missy Aug 2015 #201

"Email server!" doesn't quite have the same pizzazz, does it? randome Aug 2015 #206