2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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128. I don't there was a "big agreement"

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 08:19 PM

Aug 2015

More like the usual molders of Beltway/Media/Corporate conventional wisdom deciding on her as the member of the club they want. It's not a widespread "big agreement" that "of course Hillary is the nominee. Who else is there?" That ignores the actual diversity of opinion that exists.

It's not real democratic if a candidate has been redetermined by the molders of opinion before the campaign even started.

Remember 2008? She was supposed to be anointed then....But then this funny little series of primaries happened.

Hey, she's welcome to run again. I got no problem with that. But it's not like the WH is a heredity throne selected by divine right. Oh wait. Bush v Clinton II. Maybe it is monarchy.

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Not very long ago, liking Bernie Sanders was liking Apple Pie. But then he had the gall.... [View all] Armstead Aug 2015 OP

He's still my hero and frankly goats are sweet lovable creatures. Eom Cleita Aug 2015 #1

especially Old Goats Armstead Aug 2015 #4

Even better. Cleita Aug 2015 #7

I resemble that remark. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #89

Yes madokie Aug 2015 #137

There are old goats and there is Goats For The Old Goats chknltl Aug 2015 #165

Hero is right! Bernie brings out the best in all of us. Gotta love him... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #107

The synchronized attacks on Bernie on race from the Clinton camp are appalling. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #2

Well, you gotta remember pictures from a 96.4% white city tell you everything. jeff47 Aug 2015 #11

They were probably in the kitchen getting ready to serve the group coffee. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #16

~ L0oniX Aug 2015 #31

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #49

Gee, I don't like the "optics" in that photo! n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #81

Giggle, giggle Dan Aug 2015 #98

I was about to say 'That doesn't look like Bernie to me'. Then I looked up a bit. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #122

Haha, me too jfern Aug 2015 #171

Just a note, on my way out, nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #141

Would it help if I was not at all serious about making claims via photos? jeff47 Aug 2015 #162

I would just refrain from doing it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #164

Ha! When will folks learn that type stuff never works here?? 7962 Aug 2015 #144

He marched with MLK Jr. in the '60s George II Aug 2015 #77

And then never did anything else arcane1 Aug 2015 #88

Why do you keep saying that like it's a bad thing? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #95

The truth will prevail, no matter how hard Hillary's supporters try to distort Bernie's stellar civil rights record. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #110

They think poc, women and lgbt people are too stupid to know the facts. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112

Precisely, which is why Bernie keeps rising in the polls and Hillary continues to fall. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #130

I'm still convinced your a ringer from the Sanders campaign Armstead Aug 2015 #96

We're All Ringers For The Sanders Campaign Yallow Aug 2015 #181

And there were YACHTS* in the background!!1! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #97

Seriously? onyourleft Aug 2015 #180

I would expect nothing less from Hillary's camp. As she herself would say...BANK on it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #109

The synchronized attacks on Bernie on race from the Clinton camp are appalling. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #185

Much of the criticism of Bernie comes from... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #3

I know, especially considering the only polls that matter BainsBane Aug 2015 #5

Snark?! Really?! You go girl....not. haikugal Aug 2015 #13

Fact is BainsBane Aug 2015 #15

I guess you felt you just had to set everyone straight...so you did....not. haikugal Aug 2015 #18

My point was... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #25

Careful. You are treading on forbidden territory. Cleita Aug 2015 #52

Well, considering the insults that have been flung my way BainsBane Aug 2015 #56

No doubt it comes from all angles HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #60

Here's what I see BainsBane Aug 2015 #67

If you are so easy to beat up daybranch Aug 2015 #70

Well then, HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #73

Here's what I see: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #108

We are trying to gather a list of what we can and cannot say artislife Aug 2015 #62

Hey BainsBaine Scootaloo Aug 2015 #59

ROFLMAO!!! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #101

After what I saw in the nadin article thread SwampG8r Aug 2015 #169

Yeah that was pretty pathetic. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #170

I have no problem with Bernie Sanders. Arkana Aug 2015 #12

Yes, true BainsBane Aug 2015 #17

A few knuckleheads... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #24

Well, it's a phenomenon that has become infamous BainsBane Aug 2015 #34

It also makes for a good news story HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #37

Whatever you say BainsBane Aug 2015 #41

Donald Trump is also inspiring thousands and leading in the GOP polls. R B Garr Aug 2015 #84

That's a blog written by a Hillary supporter... Ino Aug 2015 #40

Have you checked this out BainsBane Aug 2015 #48

No, I just checked out the link you posted... Ino Aug 2015 #72

Even the comments posted after that article murielm99 Aug 2015 #177

A few knuckleheads don't generate that level of attention. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #186

I like Bernie Sanders--and if I could make him President, I would. Arkana Aug 2015 #43

Funny thing is... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #55

No, none of us could make him President. 50% of the voting public won't vote for a Socialist. stevenleser Aug 2015 #146

That's funny HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #149

I've produced a link. It was to a gallup poll. If there is a contradicting one, let's see it. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #150

He polls 59% against Trump jfern Aug 2015 #172

Sanders is making huge inroads among the 63%. Clinton doesn't stand a chance with them n/t eridani Aug 2015 #114

actually it is hillary restorefreedom Aug 2015 #134

+1, Sanders agrees with 90% of Hillary's also I just don't like the framing that's she's "not"... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #184

The degree of "not" is what is troubling Armstead Aug 2015 #189

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #47

You're absolutely right BainsBane Aug 2015 #51

We will have to live with our actions artislife Aug 2015 #65

and mind BainsBane Aug 2015 #68

o sweet sweet Bains artislife Aug 2015 #69

My, and I thought we were getting along BainsBane Aug 2015 #71

No I thought we were getting along artislife Aug 2015 #75

I don't know which reply you're referring to. BainsBane Aug 2015 #143

Aw sh*t, I got you confused with another poster artislife Aug 2015 #195

She claimed misogynistic Bernie supporters made her change her mind about him. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #74

Thanks for noticing poster patterns SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #115

Thanks but I don't deserve the credit. Others noticed her thread back in February and posted a link: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #117

you were never inclined to a candidate if some message board crowd turned you away. roguevalley Aug 2015 #99

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #116

Issues indeed matter BainsBane Aug 2015 #127

particularly in regard to African American voters. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #187

As I noted in my OP...That goes both ways Armstead Aug 2015 #20

That's the internet for you. HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #22

Do you have a problem with Clinton supporters doing the same thing? jeff47 Aug 2015 #26

I do. Arkana Aug 2015 #38

Then here, I'll actually SAY it for you delrem Aug 2015 #104

I, TOO, THINK THEY ALL SUCK Skittles Aug 2015 #148

Aw shit. And I thought you liked me Armstead Aug 2015 #155

er....I do Skittles Aug 2015 #156

Whew. What a relief. Armstead Aug 2015 #157

you want I should kick your Bernie-swooning ass, Armstead? Skittles Aug 2015 #158

Not tonight. I have a headache Armstead Aug 2015 #159

His supporters aren't running for office. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #32

You really don't see how being a condescending snob Arkana Aug 2015 #45

Fair enough - if we had to pick which side is more obnoxious we're probably going Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #50

The nature of communications here varies Armstead Aug 2015 #53

I suggest you step back and look at this. How silly is it to try to argue who has rhett o rick Aug 2015 #90

And anyone who lets internet supporters awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #113

I gotta say, I don't actually expect to convince ANYONE on DU to change their voting choices. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #124

I suspect you are projecting a little bit...[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #35

All discussions should be about the topic, not the OP passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #58

Since you brought it up daybranch Aug 2015 #76

Thank you. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #82

If you like Sanders but don't like his followers, so what? Vote for Sanders. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #91

If the majority of his followers were jerks, I would at least stop and think. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #119

Most of the time it's a noisey few that are the jerks and should be ignored. Silly to claim rhett o rick Aug 2015 #120

The Gandhi quote is so spot on here. And as Bainsbane indicated, it has had an affect on how I see stevenleser Aug 2015 #151

Gee I thought it was party over everything Armstead Aug 2015 #154

lol, and Hillary's supporters have every reason to feel threatened, Bernie's gaining on her. Remember Hillary: objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #111

I think you nailed it whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #6

That would mean there should be 25 percent less ugliness this week BainsBane Aug 2015 #19

Lol, ok so why y'all so ugly then? whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #21

You mean in daring to question their betters? BainsBane Aug 2015 #39

So very well stated. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #8

IT'S HER TURN!!!! (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #9

She's earned it!!! artislife Aug 2015 #63

Oh God....Tracy Fleck. I'd forgotten about her Armstead Aug 2015 #94

I love that movie! nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #121

It is surprising isn't it?! haikugal Aug 2015 #10

Ditto that ...and I just ignore them. libdem4life Aug 2015 #36

Nicely done. SamKnause Aug 2015 #14

Bernie Sanders Plucketeer Aug 2015 #93

Why are you so down on pie?!? hootinholler Aug 2015 #23

I like pie. I like Bernie. As for cheese I've made trips up to VT to get me some of that Armstead Aug 2015 #30

No, no...a scoop of Ben and Jerry's Cherie Garcia on it. zeemike Aug 2015 #106

Always Predictable When The Established PTB Have To Acknowledge Failure cantbeserious Aug 2015 #27

Refreshing to read comments of those who "march to their own drummer" saidsimplesimon Aug 2015 #28

Oh sheesh, pace yourself people. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #29

Yep. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #123

Well, it's natural that people get additional scrutiny when they run for president. DanTex Aug 2015 #33

No I wasn't expecting everyone to support him Armstead Aug 2015 #42

Yes, some people are critical of Bernie, and maybe a few here actually dislike him. DanTex Aug 2015 #64

Hillary supporters only say they like Bernie daybranch Aug 2015 #83

Hmm, so you can read their minds? DanTex Aug 2015 #87

Do you think smug, insulting arguments like this will lure Hillary supporters, or even those on the fence, pnwmom Aug 2015 #174

They began swift boating him on DU months ago. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #44

Best comments I've seen in a long time passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #46

He hates puppies! Even if they have an epic puppy sneeze? Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #54

Espccially if the have puppy sneeze Armstead Aug 2015 #126

I don't see how Sanders has ever been hero or goat. Papantonio got it right. DFW Aug 2015 #57

I didn't say HE changed....Just the perceptions and/or attitudes expressed to him Armstead Aug 2015 #61

Compared to who? rocktivity Aug 2015 #66

I agree with every policy aspiration Sanders has... brooklynite Aug 2015 #78

As his name recognition increases... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #86

That's fine. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #125

is this why you support hillary? redruddyred Aug 2015 #133

As your post obliquely suggests... gregcrawford Aug 2015 #79

...mess up a nice clean coronation. SoapBox Aug 2015 #80

A goat or THE GOAT? svpadgham Aug 2015 #85

The Goat du Jour Armstead Aug 2015 #92

Saw a great Bernie bumper sticker today. LibDemAlways Aug 2015 #100

At least your friend is honest about why he supports Hillary. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #103

Wait ... so you are saying Bernie has been turned into a Goat on DU? JoePhilly Aug 2015 #102

Got a question for those taking this stance noted in this OP VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #105

I don't there was a "big agreement" Armstead Aug 2015 #128

Well up until recently she was up in the high 75 or better approval ratings VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #129

She's popular among many Democrats Armstead Aug 2015 #132

Not just many...MOST! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #136

I like her too. Just not as President Armstead Aug 2015 #139

and I would like a Democrat for President.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #140

OH they care and do a lot of good things Armstead Aug 2015 #188

Oh, I�m so tired of the Sander�s Crowd on DU. busterbrown Aug 2015 #182

It aint about lov'n Bernie.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #183

This old goat Thespian2 Aug 2015 #118

The primaries are about electing our nominee ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #131

You should have stopped here: "The primaries are about electing our nominee ..." KoKo Aug 2015 #135

I "caught myself up" where? NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #160

Just what defines ''presidential material''? YOHABLO Aug 2015 #138

No it IS a fight for the soul of the party...and the country. And it transcends both of the people Armstead Aug 2015 #145

If you want to believe ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #161

And THAT is the problem. And smart people like you should not be buying into it Armstead Aug 2015 #163

Yes, you could go on ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #190

You cluld have written that 5, 10,15, 20 years ago Armstead Aug 2015 #191

Here's the problem ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #192

Elections are ablout comparing and contrasting, as you have noted Armstead Aug 2015 #193

Dont forget; apparently he doesnt like blacks enough either. nt 7962 Aug 2015 #142

knr and oh my how our views change when the 'Other Party' is waging wars, spying etc etc etc. n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #147

same bullshit as it ever was ibegurpard Aug 2015 #152

Martin O'Malley? Armstead Aug 2015 #153

That's been my suspicion ibegurpard Aug 2015 #166

He is a hero for sure, Paka Aug 2015 #167

The only ones worried about goats are asses..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #168

That's Exactly. what happened. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2015 #173

183 recs! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #175

He doesn't hate puppies. MADem Aug 2015 #176

Great post, Armstead. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #178

It's easy to say you stand for liberal ideals. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #179

Bernie MUST go under the DNC bus. As far as DU is concerned, anyway. merrily Aug 2015 #194