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Thinkingabout

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5. I am liberal as is Third Way who supports minimum wage increases for one thing.

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Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:21 PM

Aug 2015

We have candidates talking about minimum wage increases, does this make them Third Way. Oh, BTW, they are Democrats.

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Uppity Liberals [View all] MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 OP

Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #1

Manny, Get Your Gun....! MADem Aug 2015 #2

Let all vote for War in Iraq. bahrbearian Aug 2015 #4

The only gun humper to get an F from the NRA MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #6

Ah, that old canard! They preferred him to his first opponent! MADem Aug 2015 #18

Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #23

Puzzling evidence! MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #24

LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #31

No, he doesn't. Post 55. He's got it down--and it's on tape, too. nt MADem Aug 2015 #57

Why can't the NRA give him the A rating he deserves? MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #61

Because you have to vote with them 100 percent of the time to get that. You know that, Manny. MADem Aug 2015 #63

Does MIC give Hillary an A-rating... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #75

I'll bet Lockheed - Martin gives an A to Sanders! MADem Aug 2015 #84

That's all that you have? Pathetic. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #168

Sorry you feel that way, and that is not my style. MADem Aug 2015 #212

"it's best to let your posts stand in the full light of day" BeanMusical Aug 2015 #257

I think you're referencing someone else--I don't compulsively alert--do you want me to? MADem Aug 2015 #258

"I don't compulsively alert" BeanMusical Aug 2015 #261

Sorry--it wasn't me that sent you on your way, much as you seem to want to target/blame me. MADem Aug 2015 #262

Then you're a liar. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #264

I have a life. I actually do leave my keyboard on occasion. MADem Aug 2015 #266

You have a life? No problem with this. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #274

No, I did not--I did observe that a post either got hidden or deleted (can't tell, since you don't MADem Aug 2015 #275

Lol! Fail? Yes, on your part. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #276

I'm sorry for you. You try like hell to goad and bait me, but it doesn't work. MADem Aug 2015 #283

Yes, I love you too. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #287

Ha, indeed Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #176

Oops, sorry. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #280

Well then a B rating? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #99

He got a C in 2006. He dances with them some years, and other years, not so much. nt MADem Aug 2015 #101

Hillary 2008 and guns artislife Aug 2015 #106

Oooooh, the pain! The ANGER!!! MADem Aug 2015 #110

Here you go artislife Aug 2015 #111

Obama called Hillary "Annie Oakley" after that speech pandering to gun owners. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #113

That was funny when he said that artislife Aug 2015 #117

I don't know. I do remember the PUMAs though. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #122

I was on the feminists sites in 2008 artislife Aug 2015 #130

That was ugly, I tried to forget how they treated their sisters. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #133

I am finding it hard to understand how former Obama artislife Aug 2015 #135

I was just discussing the Clinton dog whistles in another thread. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #136

I don't expect self reflection artislife Aug 2015 #138

So have I. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #139

Who became the first SECSTATE in the Obama administration? Anyone? Buehller? MADem Aug 2015 #148

Secretary of a State department stripped of its single most important responsibility. ieoeja Aug 2015 #256

If you need to believe that massive, honking fiction, you go on ahead. MADem Aug 2015 #265

I stand by my statements. ieoeja Aug 2015 #268

You aren't the Oracle at Delphi, you are obviously getting your statements from somewhere. MADem Aug 2015 #270

YOUR sources agreed with my "facts". n/t ieoeja Aug 2015 #271

No, they didn't. MADem Aug 2015 #272

PLEASE. It was Sarah Palin. maddiemom Aug 2015 #180

Was it? artislife Aug 2015 #181

The quote from Palin was something like: maddiemom Aug 2015 #183

That interview with Couric... artislife Aug 2015 #186

Don't expect accuracy when there's a disparagement to be made! MADem Aug 2015 #213

That's nice. It's irrelevant, but nice. nt MADem Aug 2015 #132

That's nice. It's dismissive, but nice. nt passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #214

I don't know about the poster in question but don't assume present Hillary supporters A Simple Game Aug 2015 #185

That is what I am guessing artislife Aug 2015 #187

Selective memory, very selective it would seem. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #189

Some people don't understand the concept of SECOND CHOICE here at DU. That's the problem. MADem Aug 2015 #215

He represents the constituents of Vermont where there are few gun control laws. If it were bjobotts Aug 2015 #245

What a lovely post!! "Stop with the NRA crap cause we really don't give a shit" -- you are MADem Aug 2015 #260

"Only reason I can see is his hair. " BeanMusical Aug 2015 #169

actually among other things dsc Aug 2015 #192

Liberals don't know they're liberals eh. Oh give it up with the Bernie /NRA crap.We don't give a sh bjobotts Aug 2015 #243

Why don't you promote YOUR candidate? This is primary season and we don't much about sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #114

I do. Why don't you stick to your own knitting? nt MADem Aug 2015 #115

Lol, knitting? Just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I should stick to knitting! sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #121

Your failure is assuming only women knit. You couldn't be more mistaken. MADem Aug 2015 #125

Wow. Sexism is alive and well on DU. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #123

Wow -- sexism IS alive and well! I still have a scarf knitted by my very late grandfather, AND MADem Aug 2015 #124

So you would give the same advice to male posters? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129

Absolutely. It is a common expression. I don't know most people's genders here, anyway. MADem Aug 2015 #131

Not so common. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #240

To anyone with a fair command of English, it is. MADem Aug 2015 #241

It must be an East Coast phrase. Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #295

Aren't you being dismissive here again? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #216

No. If I had the power to "shut up anyone" on this board, I'd be getting MADem Aug 2015 #218

One thing I do like about you MADem -- senz Aug 2015 #246

Knitting? What a load of misogynist crap! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #288

Sanders also votes/voted against Neocon Wars (speaking of guns, how about WMDS killing sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #253

I don't like Beries stance on guns so far uponit7771 Aug 2015 #203

One of my heroes was a "gun humper"!! pocoloco Aug 2015 #224

You'd rather have seen a Republican win that race... Ken Burch Aug 2015 #277

Hell no! MADem Aug 2015 #278

Lol, that poster is always on the wrong side. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #167

"That poster" just doesn't agree with you. I happen to prefer my POV to yours. nt MADem Aug 2015 #219

That poster is more often wrong than right. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #259

And that's one reason I like him Armstead Aug 2015 #12

Yes he is--post eighteen. nt MADem Aug 2015 #19

No, he's not: Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #27

Your link is old/inaccurate. His present rating, as the Jul 9 link I provided shows, is D MINUS. nt MADem Aug 2015 #36

Indicating a pro-gun control voting record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #37

That's not accurate. It means he didn't vote with the NRA on every single issue. nt MADem Aug 2015 #62

He's still pro-gun control and the NRA still gave him a bad grade. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #87

Anything less than slavish adherence will get a politician a bad grade. He got a C in 2006. nt MADem Aug 2015 #89

And he's still a pro-gun control "gun nut". beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #92

Cough Brady Bill cough. MADem Aug 2015 #100

"Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #107

He's a good vote counter, I'll give him that. He threaded the needle well on that transaction. MADem Aug 2015 #142

Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban = #Not Good Enough Bernie!!1! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #144

It's easy to vote for things that don't pass, and you know they aren't going to pass, especially if MADem Aug 2015 #145

Right because Bernie's a liar and couldn't possibly have voted his conscience. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #147

I am not making those characterizations--but you are going out of your way to say nasty things about MADem Aug 2015 #149

Sure you did, right here: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #153

It's not my fault you don't get realpolitik. MADem Aug 2015 #155

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #156

Wow--that was an ugly post. Proud of yourself that you lost it so much you had to say that? MADem Aug 2015 #157

Aw, you mad, bro? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #159

Keep digging--you are really letting it all hang out! MADem Aug 2015 #160

Mwah! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Agony Aug 2015 #170

Eggzacktilly! Agony Aug 2015 #174

But wait a minute....I thought Bernie is an unrealistic ideologue Armstead Aug 2015 #162

I'll let Barney Frank explain it to you. There is no "mantra." There's just simple reality. MADem Aug 2015 #221

interesting isn't it? nt passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #226

I think we should let them keep pushing this. They THINK it's a winning issue sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #191

Why do you dismiss Hillary's past record on issues passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #220

I don't. I look at the big picture--her record is stronger and better than his. Here, read this. MADem Aug 2015 #222

Consider the source. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #229

You are having some trouble with the written word. YOU need to read that again. MADem Aug 2015 #233

Oh dear me passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #234

No--you didn't leave it out, and I commented about it in my post, above. MADem Aug 2015 #236

He got a C- ybbor Aug 2015 #190

Quite right! C MINUS it is!!!! I do beg your pardon!! MADem Aug 2015 #211

How sad is it MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #38

It's all or nothing with the NRA. MADem Aug 2015 #72

So it's either an A or an F? What about the C and D ratings you cited earlier? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #171

But he is.He's right with the NRA on most issues--he gets a D MINUS ONLY because he's not 100 %. MADem Aug 2015 #55

Here's what Bernie Sanders had to say after the Charleston massacre: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #66

Obama is not on the ballot. And how many shootings have we had since Sandy Hook? MADem Aug 2015 #103

"It wasn't those cough-urban-cough types who have been shooting up movie theaters" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112

He was the one who MENTIONED THEM specifically in his TV comments. MADem Aug 2015 #116

It doesn't matter what spin you put on it, Bernie is pro-gun control. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #120

If you leave off the last word, I could agree with you. nt MADem Aug 2015 #126

Good thing I don't care if you agree with facts. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #127

...but other types of guns used less exclusively? Have at it!!! nt MADem Aug 2015 #140

Bernie's position on this issue is mainstream. I'm not worried about it all. Rural and urban areas sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #119

Yes it is, as is Hillary's. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #128

Let's have a look at your candidate's record on same sex marriage, shall we? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #15

No, let's not. This thread isn't about "my candidate." Why don't you start one instead of MADem Aug 2015 #30

Oops! Too late. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34

Bazinga! George II Aug 2015 #26

No Bazinga. Not even. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #74

+ a whole bunch and stuff. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #232

Google Hunter Schwarz Hillary Clinton -it'll be informative :) azurnoir Aug 2015 #40

I thought this thread was about Liberal Bernie Sanders. MADem Aug 2015 #50

pointing out that a Bernie bashing article was written by a Hillary supporter adds perspective azurnoir Aug 2015 #51

Why can't you focus on more than one thing at a time? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #53

Why can't you stop changing the subject? See how that works? nt MADem Aug 2015 #146

We still have the right to bear arms in this country artislife Aug 2015 #60

Won't happen. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #3

Oh, it's Paradise MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #8

Do you really not understand what "corporate contributor" means? ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #86

Just a quck point. There are no liberals on or in Wall St. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #175

Google "socially responsible mutual funds" ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #239

Oh yeah, those have been around awhile now. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #250

It sounds like you believe that "liberal" means anti-capitalistic ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #251

I believe it means not making things worse for others by my actions. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #284

Again, you clearly think business is anti-democracy and "makes things worse" ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #286

Who said anything about business? raouldukelives Aug 2015 #290

What do you think operates on Wall Street? ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #291

Wall St is organized, legalized, crime. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #292

Legalized crime? ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #293

If we could practice capitalism that might help. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #296

Yea that ol "corporations are people too" thing means nothing. L0oniX Aug 2015 #198

Your saying FDR Democrates need to find a new party bahrbearian Aug 2015 #9

That is the way I took it also. My first historical memory was setting on my mothers lap crying as jwirr Aug 2015 #17

FYI Hatchling Aug 2015 #206

It's good to have instincts verified which seemed obvious just from a posting 2banon Aug 2015 #254

+ 10000 senz Aug 2015 #248

You are talking about people, who liked FDR sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #10

Well I guess we had better give up and submit. zeemike Aug 2015 #29

Wow, love it or leave it..... nt haikugal Aug 2015 #39

I know. Incredible! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #77

Good lord, Man. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #42

His strong appeal with Libertarians will probably be the end of him. That's what's alienating MADem Aug 2015 #44

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #54

Maybe not this election cycle ibegurpard Aug 2015 #46

We need to pull them out by the roots. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #80

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #59

Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change artislife Aug 2015 #65

Exactly! SoapBox Aug 2015 #79

Hillary 2016 - Because she's better than a Republican! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #141

lol NT ctsnowman Aug 2015 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author SolutionisSolidarity Aug 2015 #118

I suppose you defended Ralph Nader and suppoters for doing that in 2000? Armstead Aug 2015 #163

See my sig line. Hatchling Aug 2015 #208

Yep, simultaneously all-powerful and irrelevant Armstead Aug 2015 #209

I am liberal as is Third Way who supports minimum wage increases for one thing. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #5

Where were they when it wasn't the flavor of the month? Armstead Aug 2015 #7

Ending Glass-Steagall and putting more PoC in jail. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #11

don't forget "blowing up Arabs right and left" Scootaloo Aug 2015 #22

Shock 'n Awe, baby! MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #41

The geopolitical chess moves, the destruction and creation of regimes, the mass slaughter, Vattel Aug 2015 #285

Bernie voted for the legislation that put more POC in jail. Thank you. George II Aug 2015 #32

Bernie Sanders on Crime: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #48

Got ANYTHING more recent than eight years old? Hmmm. And your link is bad. MADem Aug 2015 #58

It's from ontheissues.org, if you want something more recent talk to them. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #69

Thank you for fixing that broken link. The reason your information is old is because it's from his MADem Aug 2015 #73

Remarks by Senator Sanders at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #76

It's not black people who are gunning people down in schools and movie theaters. MADem Aug 2015 #81

Obama and Bernie have both noted the difference in urban and rural gun use. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #85

Obama's not on the ballot in 2016. And people keep getting killed in movie theaters, churches, MADem Aug 2015 #91

So Obama was wrong to note the difference right after Sandy Hook? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #96

"So" have they changed election law, and Obama's on the 2016 ballot? This thread isn't about Obama. MADem Aug 2015 #98

Bernie is pro-gun control, no amount of spin from HC supporters will change that fact. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #105

Mmmm hmmmm. MADem Aug 2015 #152

Kinda like HRC's equivocation on just about everything else then, yes? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2015 #230

No. nt MADem Aug 2015 #231

The same place we have been, begging for a raise. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #13

You can beg. I'm going to demand. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #45

Well, I see how this has worked so far. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #56

I can see why you might be confused. Some think that if they say the support same sex marriage rhett o rick Aug 2015 #16

Oh, oh, depends on WHEN you support same sex marriage Scootaloo Aug 2015 #25

If you say "I am not a liberal" .... are you a liberal? MADem Aug 2015 #33

Is someone who opposes same sex marriage more "liberal" than someone who supports it? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #35

Who opposes it now, in 2015? Mike Huckabee? MADem Aug 2015 #49

I'd say the one who opposed same sex marriage until 2013 is less liberal. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #52

Yes, it's not like "separate but equal" has any sort of negative history in our country. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #64

How about "no benefits" vs. "benefits--we can't wait for the law to catch up with what's right." MADem Aug 2015 #82

"Leading the way" on 'gay marriage' by opposing it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #83

Opposing it by funding benefits for partners of LGBT diplomats and foreign service personnel. MADem Aug 2015 #88

So you're saying she's a liar then? jeff47 Aug 2015 #93

Are you having trouble with the written word? nt MADem Aug 2015 #95

Not at all. Are you? jeff47 Aug 2015 #97

By opposing same sex marriage until 2013. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #108

Bernie always supported lgbt rights: benefits, marriage, anti-discrimination laws, etc. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #90

And where did he put his money where his mouth is? Did he ever pay benefits to same sex partners on MADem Aug 2015 #94

Some light reading for inquiring minds who actually care about lgbt rights: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #104

TLDR--more is not better. HRC provided her federal employees with SSM benefits ahead of MADem Aug 2015 #154

That's okay. I wasn't referring to you, I meant people who care about the issue. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #158

If Elizabeth Warren had decided to run.... Armstead Aug 2015 #164

So what? How many of those same sex couples couldn't get married? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #165

I think they are missing something in their line of attack. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #173

OH Manny, Manny, Manny....You;re making too much sense Armstead Aug 2015 #14

I'm glad you feel this way. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #20

But not so broad as to hold Neoliberals. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #28

The 99% includes a lot of people... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #199

Exactly! And I can't help but note that the biggest name-callers on this R B Garr Aug 2015 #202

That's an interesting observation. How about links for those.accusations. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #281

You just posted in one of the "links", and you're not going to tell me R B Garr Aug 2015 #282

Like readers of Stormfront? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2015 #227

I suppose what you're describing is also called "the big lie"... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #21

Yes! Thanks for saying this and saying it so well! nt haikugal Aug 2015 #47

^^Kicking and reccing this post^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #151

effing right can't say it enough azurnoir Aug 2015 #43

I am a liberal Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #67

Brief and to the point. Paka Aug 2015 #68

Hillary is like a box of chocolates Geronimoe Aug 2015 #70

Kicked and recommended! In the long term the corporatistas cannot win. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #71

We're the Progressive Unicorn Brigade !11 m-lekktor Aug 2015 #78

Pink Unicorns for Bernie! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #143

"who want fabulous pink ponies" m-lekktor Aug 2015 #195

If we stick together, there is nothing, nothing, nothing that we cannot do n/t udbcrzy2 Aug 2015 #102

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #109

love you, manny! NuttyFluffers Aug 2015 #134

82 recs and counting! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #137

105 now! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #172

There's GOT to be a special award for getting locked out of your own OP. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #150

Hey, I'm sorry that you are locked out of this thread. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #166

but but but socialism! He's unelectable poison! He's ruining the Dem chances! Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #177

Rec for the subthread in which a Hillary backer gets his ass handed to him. Scuba Aug 2015 #179

And a big ole rec for you. Puglover Aug 2015 #197

One thing that the neoliberals have done LWolf Aug 2015 #182

Manny has been silenced. Autumn Aug 2015 #184

... Puglover Aug 2015 #193

Oh no! BMUS too? Autumn Aug 2015 #194

He's a very brave guy. Puglover Aug 2015 #196

I often avoid recommending even the best venting/rants Babel_17 Aug 2015 #188

"We will call it like it is. We will fight like hell for Bernie, and against lies." Zorra Aug 2015 #200

We progressive will fight like Hell for Hillary! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #207

Pretty impressive job of trying to trash Bernie Sanders by one poster on this thread. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #201

I must have them on ignore. Hatchling Aug 2015 #210

Me too. Typical thin-skinned HRC fan? truebrit71 Aug 2015 #225

You go Manny! Hydra Aug 2015 #204

Just say no to Bernie: we need a real leader like Hillary! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #205

Sorry, don't buy it. lark Aug 2015 #217

Ugh, yeah. Reminds me of an ill informed friend who brought up Vince Foster last night.... bettyellen Aug 2015 #235

i found another 'Bernie!' Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #223

Well said. The propaganda that has destroyed our democracy is... polichick Aug 2015 #228

sorry you got locked out, manny navarth Aug 2015 #237

I make no bones about it. Proudly boast that I'm a liberal ffr Aug 2015 #238

Go, Manny, Go! emsimon33 Aug 2015 #242

Love you co-opting offense over be called "uppity". Especially since it had nothing to do w/your OP bettyellen Aug 2015 #244

Caught that too? zappaman Aug 2015 #252

Next up- to accuse people of thinking he is "shrill", LOL... bettyellen Aug 2015 #267

Don't you sass me! zappaman Aug 2015 #273

I heard the whistle. Dogwhistle, that is. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #279

who is the "DLC Doyenne?" ericson00 Aug 2015 #247

I didn't see much discussion of liberals vs. progressives senz Aug 2015 #249

Most liberals are for HRC not Sanders arely staircase Aug 2015 #255

I like liberals when they created Social Security but when then did mass incarceration it was a bad Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #263

Remember this plea artislife Aug 2015 #269

Bernie Sanders has always opposed the third way MoveIt Aug 2015 #289

Happy to push this to 200 rec's. Ron Green Aug 2015 #294