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2016 Postmortem

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beam me up scottie

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104. Some light reading for inquiring minds who actually care about lgbt rights:
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:52 AM
Aug 2015
On LGBT Rights, Bernie Leads and Hillary Follows

Of course, Clinton has since evolved on LGBT rights, as many have. That's wonderful. But the problem is, she only came out in support of marriage equality after it was not politically risky to do so. In fact, by 2013 - the year Clinton announced her full support for marriage equality - Democratic support for same-sex marriage was the norm, not the exception.

On such an important moral issue that affects my life and the lives of thousands of other Americans, making decisions in this manner is rather despicable. Additionally, Clinton's habit of doing what polls deem politically popular is the reason why so many voters find her inauthentic. Now, if Clinton were the only option for the Democratic presidential nomination, I would understand why we should support her despite these flaws.

But she isn't the only option.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving Independent in the history of Congress, is also running for the nomination. And unlike Clinton, his record on LGBT rights is historically excellent.

Sanders voted against DOMA, one of the few members of Congress to do so, at a time when such a stance was not politically popular. Four years after DOMA passed, Sanders helped champion Vermont's decision in 2000 to become the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions. This set a national precedent for LGBT equality achieved via legislative means. In 2009, when Vermont became the first state to allow marriage equality through legislative action rather than a court ruling, Sanders expressed his support once again. Truly, Sanders has been a real leader on LGBT rights, even if this leadership isn't recognized in the way that Clinton's current support is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-novak/on-lgbt-rights-bernie-lea_b_7662682.html


Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago

Today’s Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.

Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.

There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago



Sanders: I was ahead of the curve on gay rights

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday he has been waiting for the nation to catch up to his support for same-sex marriage.

Sanders’ remarks come a day after Friday’s landmark 5-4 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

He argued he was well ahead of the historic decision, unlike Hillary Clinton, his main rival for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

...

Sanders at the time served in the House of Representatives, which voted 342-67 in favor of DOMA. The Senate voted 85-14 in favor, before former President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

“That was an anti-gay marriage piece of legislation,” he added of the law that defined marriage at the federal level as the coupling of one man and one woman.

Sanders on Saturday praised Americans for creating greater opportunities for same-sex couples. Friday’s Supreme Court ruling, he charged, was not possible without national pressure for gay rights.

“No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court,” Sanders said.

“It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states,” he said. “The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/246370-sanders-i-was-ahead-of-the-curve-on-gay-rights


Bernie Sanders was decades ahead of the country on gay rights and ending the war on drugs

Most Americans now support legally allowing gay and lesbian relationships, same-sex marriage, and personal marijuana use after decades of shifting public opinion. But one Democratic candidate for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was calling for many of these changes decades ago.

In a 1972 letter to a local newspaper — which was recently resurfaced by Chelsea Summers at the New Republic — Sanders wrote that he supported abolishing "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)" as part of his campaign for Vermont governor:

These stances were far removed from public opinion at the time, according to Gallup surveys on marijuana and gay and lesbian rights. In 1972, 81 percent of Americans said marijuana should be illegal — which suggests even more would favor the prohibition of more dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin. In 1977, the earliest year of polling data, 43 percent of Americans said gay and lesbian relations between consenting adults should not be legal, while 43 percent said they should be legal.

...

But it took decades for the American public to come around to majority support on these issues: It wasn't until 2013 that a majority of Americans supported marijuana legalization, the early 2000s that most consistently responded in favor of legal gay and lesbian relations, and 2011 that a majority first reported backing same-sex marriage rights.

Sanders has carried many of these positions to this day. He was one of the few federal lawmakers to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal ban on same-sex marriages, in the 1990s. And while he told Time's Jay Newton-Small in March that he has no current stance on marijuana legalization (but backs medical marijuana), he characterized the war on drugs as costly and destructive.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights



Bernie Sanders on Civil Rights

Equal pay for equal work by women. (Mar 2015)
Bush’s tracking citizens’ phone call patterns is illegal. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act. (Feb 2013)
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Constitutional Amendment for equal rights by gender. (Mar 2001)
Rated 93% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 97% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
ENDA: prohibit employment discrimination for gays. (Jun 2009)
Prohibit sexual-identity discrimination at schools. (Mar 2011)
Endorsed as "preferred" by The Feminist Majority indicating pro-women's rights. (Aug 2012)
Enforce against wage discrimination based on gender. (Jan 2013)
Enforce against anti-gay discrimination in public schools. (Jun 2013)
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/bernie_sanders.htm



He walks the walk.

And there's nothing wrong with evolution, but if you need to "evolve" on civil rights you're no liberal.

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Uppity Liberals [View all] MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 OP
Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #1
Manny, Get Your Gun....! MADem Aug 2015 #2
Let all vote for War in Iraq. bahrbearian Aug 2015 #4
The only gun humper to get an F from the NRA MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #6
Ah, that old canard! They preferred him to his first opponent! MADem Aug 2015 #18
Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #23
Puzzling evidence! MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #24
LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #31
No, he doesn't. Post 55. He's got it down--and it's on tape, too. nt MADem Aug 2015 #57
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Because you have to vote with them 100 percent of the time to get that. You know that, Manny. MADem Aug 2015 #63
Does MIC give Hillary an A-rating... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #75
I'll bet Lockheed - Martin gives an A to Sanders! MADem Aug 2015 #84
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Well then a B rating? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #99
He got a C in 2006. He dances with them some years, and other years, not so much. nt MADem Aug 2015 #101
Hillary 2008 and guns artislife Aug 2015 #106
Oooooh, the pain! The ANGER!!! MADem Aug 2015 #110
Here you go artislife Aug 2015 #111
Obama called Hillary "Annie Oakley" after that speech pandering to gun owners. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #113
That was funny when he said that artislife Aug 2015 #117
I don't know. I do remember the PUMAs though. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #122
I was on the feminists sites in 2008 artislife Aug 2015 #130
That was ugly, I tried to forget how they treated their sisters. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #133
I am finding it hard to understand how former Obama artislife Aug 2015 #135
I was just discussing the Clinton dog whistles in another thread. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #136
I don't expect self reflection artislife Aug 2015 #138
So have I. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #139
Who became the first SECSTATE in the Obama administration? Anyone? Buehller? MADem Aug 2015 #148
Secretary of a State department stripped of its single most important responsibility. ieoeja Aug 2015 #256
If you need to believe that massive, honking fiction, you go on ahead. MADem Aug 2015 #265
I stand by my statements. ieoeja Aug 2015 #268
You aren't the Oracle at Delphi, you are obviously getting your statements from somewhere. MADem Aug 2015 #270
YOUR sources agreed with my "facts". n/t ieoeja Aug 2015 #271
No, they didn't. MADem Aug 2015 #272
PLEASE. It was Sarah Palin. maddiemom Aug 2015 #180
Was it? artislife Aug 2015 #181
The quote from Palin was something like: maddiemom Aug 2015 #183
That interview with Couric... artislife Aug 2015 #186
Don't expect accuracy when there's a disparagement to be made! MADem Aug 2015 #213
That's nice. It's irrelevant, but nice. nt MADem Aug 2015 #132
That's nice. It's dismissive, but nice. nt passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #214
I don't know about the poster in question but don't assume present Hillary supporters A Simple Game Aug 2015 #185
That is what I am guessing artislife Aug 2015 #187
Selective memory, very selective it would seem. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #189
Some people don't understand the concept of SECOND CHOICE here at DU. That's the problem. MADem Aug 2015 #215
He represents the constituents of Vermont where there are few gun control laws. If it were bjobotts Aug 2015 #245
What a lovely post!! "Stop with the NRA crap cause we really don't give a shit" -- you are MADem Aug 2015 #260
"Only reason I can see is his hair. " BeanMusical Aug 2015 #169
actually among other things dsc Aug 2015 #192
Liberals don't know they're liberals eh. Oh give it up with the Bernie /NRA crap.We don't give a sh bjobotts Aug 2015 #243
Why don't you promote YOUR candidate? This is primary season and we don't much about sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #114
I do. Why don't you stick to your own knitting? nt MADem Aug 2015 #115
Lol, knitting? Just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I should stick to knitting! sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #121
Your failure is assuming only women knit. You couldn't be more mistaken. MADem Aug 2015 #125
Wow. Sexism is alive and well on DU. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #123
Wow -- sexism IS alive and well! I still have a scarf knitted by my very late grandfather, AND MADem Aug 2015 #124
So you would give the same advice to male posters? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129
Absolutely. It is a common expression. I don't know most people's genders here, anyway. MADem Aug 2015 #131
Not so common. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #240
To anyone with a fair command of English, it is. MADem Aug 2015 #241
It must be an East Coast phrase. Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #295
Aren't you being dismissive here again? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #216
No. If I had the power to "shut up anyone" on this board, I'd be getting MADem Aug 2015 #218
One thing I do like about you MADem -- senz Aug 2015 #246
Knitting? What a load of misogynist crap! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #288
Sanders also votes/voted against Neocon Wars (speaking of guns, how about WMDS killing sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #253
I don't like Beries stance on guns so far uponit7771 Aug 2015 #203
One of my heroes was a "gun humper"!! pocoloco Aug 2015 #224
You'd rather have seen a Republican win that race... Ken Burch Aug 2015 #277
Hell no! MADem Aug 2015 #278
Lol, that poster is always on the wrong side. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #167
"That poster" just doesn't agree with you. I happen to prefer my POV to yours. nt MADem Aug 2015 #219
That poster is more often wrong than right. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #259
And that's one reason I like him Armstead Aug 2015 #12
Yes he is--post eighteen. nt MADem Aug 2015 #19
No, he's not: Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #27
Your link is old/inaccurate. His present rating, as the Jul 9 link I provided shows, is D MINUS. nt MADem Aug 2015 #36
Indicating a pro-gun control voting record. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #37
That's not accurate. It means he didn't vote with the NRA on every single issue. nt MADem Aug 2015 #62
He's still pro-gun control and the NRA still gave him a bad grade. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #87
Anything less than slavish adherence will get a politician a bad grade. He got a C in 2006. nt MADem Aug 2015 #89
And he's still a pro-gun control "gun nut". beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #92
Cough Brady Bill cough. MADem Aug 2015 #100
"Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #107
He's a good vote counter, I'll give him that. He threaded the needle well on that transaction. MADem Aug 2015 #142
Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban = #Not Good Enough Bernie!!1! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #144
It's easy to vote for things that don't pass, and you know they aren't going to pass, especially if MADem Aug 2015 #145
Right because Bernie's a liar and couldn't possibly have voted his conscience. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #147
I am not making those characterizations--but you are going out of your way to say nasty things about MADem Aug 2015 #149
Sure you did, right here: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #153
It's not my fault you don't get realpolitik. MADem Aug 2015 #155
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #156
Wow--that was an ugly post. Proud of yourself that you lost it so much you had to say that? MADem Aug 2015 #157
Aw, you mad, bro? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #159
Keep digging--you are really letting it all hang out! MADem Aug 2015 #160
Mwah! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author Agony Aug 2015 #170
Eggzacktilly! Agony Aug 2015 #174
But wait a minute....I thought Bernie is an unrealistic ideologue Armstead Aug 2015 #162
I'll let Barney Frank explain it to you. There is no "mantra." There's just simple reality. MADem Aug 2015 #221
interesting isn't it? nt passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #226
I think we should let them keep pushing this. They THINK it's a winning issue sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #191
Why do you dismiss Hillary's past record on issues passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #220
I don't. I look at the big picture--her record is stronger and better than his. Here, read this. MADem Aug 2015 #222
Consider the source. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #229
You are having some trouble with the written word. YOU need to read that again. MADem Aug 2015 #233
Oh dear me passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #234
No--you didn't leave it out, and I commented about it in my post, above. MADem Aug 2015 #236
He got a C- ybbor Aug 2015 #190
Quite right! C MINUS it is!!!! I do beg your pardon!! MADem Aug 2015 #211
How sad is it MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #38
It's all or nothing with the NRA. MADem Aug 2015 #72
So it's either an A or an F? What about the C and D ratings you cited earlier? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #171
But he is.He's right with the NRA on most issues--he gets a D MINUS ONLY because he's not 100 %. MADem Aug 2015 #55
Here's what Bernie Sanders had to say after the Charleston massacre: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #66
Obama is not on the ballot. And how many shootings have we had since Sandy Hook? MADem Aug 2015 #103
"It wasn't those cough-urban-cough types who have been shooting up movie theaters" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112
He was the one who MENTIONED THEM specifically in his TV comments. MADem Aug 2015 #116
It doesn't matter what spin you put on it, Bernie is pro-gun control. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #120
If you leave off the last word, I could agree with you. nt MADem Aug 2015 #126
Good thing I don't care if you agree with facts. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #127
...but other types of guns used less exclusively? Have at it!!! nt MADem Aug 2015 #140
Bernie's position on this issue is mainstream. I'm not worried about it all. Rural and urban areas sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #119
Yes it is, as is Hillary's. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #128
Let's have a look at your candidate's record on same sex marriage, shall we? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #15
No, let's not. This thread isn't about "my candidate." Why don't you start one instead of MADem Aug 2015 #30
Oops! Too late. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34
Bazinga! George II Aug 2015 #26
No Bazinga. Not even. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #74
+ a whole bunch and stuff. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #232
Google Hunter Schwarz Hillary Clinton -it'll be informative :) azurnoir Aug 2015 #40
I thought this thread was about Liberal Bernie Sanders. MADem Aug 2015 #50
pointing out that a Bernie bashing article was written by a Hillary supporter adds perspective azurnoir Aug 2015 #51
Why can't you focus on more than one thing at a time? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #53
Why can't you stop changing the subject? See how that works? nt MADem Aug 2015 #146
We still have the right to bear arms in this country artislife Aug 2015 #60
Won't happen. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #3
Oh, it's Paradise MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #8
Do you really not understand what "corporate contributor" means? ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #86
Just a quck point. There are no liberals on or in Wall St. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #175
Google "socially responsible mutual funds" ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #239
Oh yeah, those have been around awhile now. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #250
It sounds like you believe that "liberal" means anti-capitalistic ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #251
I believe it means not making things worse for others by my actions. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #284
Again, you clearly think business is anti-democracy and "makes things worse" ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #286
Who said anything about business? raouldukelives Aug 2015 #290
What do you think operates on Wall Street? ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #291
Wall St is organized, legalized, crime. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #292
Legalized crime? ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #293
If we could practice capitalism that might help. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #296
Yea that ol "corporations are people too" thing means nothing. L0oniX Aug 2015 #198
Your saying FDR Democrates need to find a new party bahrbearian Aug 2015 #9
That is the way I took it also. My first historical memory was setting on my mothers lap crying as jwirr Aug 2015 #17
FYI Hatchling Aug 2015 #206
It's good to have instincts verified which seemed obvious just from a posting 2banon Aug 2015 #254
+ 10000 senz Aug 2015 #248
You are talking about people, who liked FDR sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #10
Well I guess we had better give up and submit. zeemike Aug 2015 #29
Wow, love it or leave it..... nt haikugal Aug 2015 #39
I know. Incredible! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #77
Good lord, Man. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #42
His strong appeal with Libertarians will probably be the end of him. That's what's alienating MADem Aug 2015 #44
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #54
Maybe not this election cycle ibegurpard Aug 2015 #46
We need to pull them out by the roots. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #80
Be careful what you wish for. You might get it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #59
Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change artislife Aug 2015 #65
Exactly! SoapBox Aug 2015 #79
Hillary 2016 - Because she's better than a Republican! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #141
lol NT ctsnowman Aug 2015 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author SolutionisSolidarity Aug 2015 #118
I suppose you defended Ralph Nader and suppoters for doing that in 2000? Armstead Aug 2015 #163
See my sig line. Hatchling Aug 2015 #208
Yep, simultaneously all-powerful and irrelevant Armstead Aug 2015 #209
I am liberal as is Third Way who supports minimum wage increases for one thing. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #5
Where were they when it wasn't the flavor of the month? Armstead Aug 2015 #7
Ending Glass-Steagall and putting more PoC in jail. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #11
don't forget "blowing up Arabs right and left" Scootaloo Aug 2015 #22
Shock 'n Awe, baby! MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #41
The geopolitical chess moves, the destruction and creation of regimes, the mass slaughter, Vattel Aug 2015 #285
Bernie voted for the legislation that put more POC in jail. Thank you. George II Aug 2015 #32
Bernie Sanders on Crime: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #48
Got ANYTHING more recent than eight years old? Hmmm. And your link is bad. MADem Aug 2015 #58
It's from ontheissues.org, if you want something more recent talk to them. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #69
Thank you for fixing that broken link. The reason your information is old is because it's from his MADem Aug 2015 #73
Remarks by Senator Sanders at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #76
It's not black people who are gunning people down in schools and movie theaters. MADem Aug 2015 #81
Obama and Bernie have both noted the difference in urban and rural gun use. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #85
Obama's not on the ballot in 2016. And people keep getting killed in movie theaters, churches, MADem Aug 2015 #91
So Obama was wrong to note the difference right after Sandy Hook? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #96
"So" have they changed election law, and Obama's on the 2016 ballot? This thread isn't about Obama. MADem Aug 2015 #98
Bernie is pro-gun control, no amount of spin from HC supporters will change that fact. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #105
Mmmm hmmmm. MADem Aug 2015 #152
Kinda like HRC's equivocation on just about everything else then, yes? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2015 #230
No. nt MADem Aug 2015 #231
The same place we have been, begging for a raise. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #13
You can beg. I'm going to demand. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #45
Well, I see how this has worked so far. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #56
I can see why you might be confused. Some think that if they say the support same sex marriage rhett o rick Aug 2015 #16
Oh, oh, depends on WHEN you support same sex marriage Scootaloo Aug 2015 #25
If you say "I am not a liberal" .... are you a liberal? MADem Aug 2015 #33
Is someone who opposes same sex marriage more "liberal" than someone who supports it? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #35
Who opposes it now, in 2015? Mike Huckabee? MADem Aug 2015 #49
I'd say the one who opposed same sex marriage until 2013 is less liberal. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #52
Yes, it's not like "separate but equal" has any sort of negative history in our country. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #64
How about "no benefits" vs. "benefits--we can't wait for the law to catch up with what's right." MADem Aug 2015 #82
"Leading the way" on 'gay marriage' by opposing it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #83
Opposing it by funding benefits for partners of LGBT diplomats and foreign service personnel. MADem Aug 2015 #88
So you're saying she's a liar then? jeff47 Aug 2015 #93
Are you having trouble with the written word? nt MADem Aug 2015 #95
Not at all. Are you? jeff47 Aug 2015 #97
By opposing same sex marriage until 2013. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #108
Bernie always supported lgbt rights: benefits, marriage, anti-discrimination laws, etc. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #90
And where did he put his money where his mouth is? Did he ever pay benefits to same sex partners on MADem Aug 2015 #94
Some light reading for inquiring minds who actually care about lgbt rights: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #104
TLDR--more is not better. HRC provided her federal employees with SSM benefits ahead of MADem Aug 2015 #154
That's okay. I wasn't referring to you, I meant people who care about the issue. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #158
If Elizabeth Warren had decided to run.... Armstead Aug 2015 #164
So what? How many of those same sex couples couldn't get married? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #165
I think they are missing something in their line of attack. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #173
OH Manny, Manny, Manny....You;re making too much sense Armstead Aug 2015 #14
I'm glad you feel this way. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #20
But not so broad as to hold Neoliberals. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #28
The 99% includes a lot of people... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #199
Exactly! And I can't help but note that the biggest name-callers on this R B Garr Aug 2015 #202
That's an interesting observation. How about links for those.accusations. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #281
You just posted in one of the "links", and you're not going to tell me R B Garr Aug 2015 #282
Like readers of Stormfront? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2015 #227
I suppose what you're describing is also called "the big lie"... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #21
Yes! Thanks for saying this and saying it so well! nt haikugal Aug 2015 #47
^^Kicking and reccing this post^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #151
effing right can't say it enough azurnoir Aug 2015 #43
I am a liberal Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #67
Brief and to the point. Paka Aug 2015 #68
Hillary is like a box of chocolates Geronimoe Aug 2015 #70
Kicked and recommended! In the long term the corporatistas cannot win. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #71
We're the Progressive Unicorn Brigade !11 m-lekktor Aug 2015 #78
Pink Unicorns for Bernie! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #143
"who want fabulous pink ponies" m-lekktor Aug 2015 #195
If we stick together, there is nothing, nothing, nothing that we cannot do n/t udbcrzy2 Aug 2015 #102
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #109
love you, manny! NuttyFluffers Aug 2015 #134
82 recs and counting! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #137
105 now! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #172
There's GOT to be a special award for getting locked out of your own OP. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #150
Hey, I'm sorry that you are locked out of this thread. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #166
but but but socialism! He's unelectable poison! He's ruining the Dem chances! Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #177
Rec for the subthread in which a Hillary backer gets his ass handed to him. Scuba Aug 2015 #179
And a big ole rec for you. Puglover Aug 2015 #197
One thing that the neoliberals have done LWolf Aug 2015 #182
Manny has been silenced. Autumn Aug 2015 #184
... Puglover Aug 2015 #193
Oh no! BMUS too? Autumn Aug 2015 #194
He's a very brave guy. Puglover Aug 2015 #196
I often avoid recommending even the best venting/rants Babel_17 Aug 2015 #188
"We will call it like it is. We will fight like hell for Bernie, and against lies." Zorra Aug 2015 #200
We progressive will fight like Hell for Hillary! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #207
Pretty impressive job of trying to trash Bernie Sanders by one poster on this thread. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #201
I must have them on ignore. Hatchling Aug 2015 #210
Me too. Typical thin-skinned HRC fan? truebrit71 Aug 2015 #225
You go Manny! Hydra Aug 2015 #204
Just say no to Bernie: we need a real leader like Hillary! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #205
Sorry, don't buy it. lark Aug 2015 #217
Ugh, yeah. Reminds me of an ill informed friend who brought up Vince Foster last night.... bettyellen Aug 2015 #235
i found another 'Bernie!' Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #223
Well said. The propaganda that has destroyed our democracy is... polichick Aug 2015 #228
sorry you got locked out, manny navarth Aug 2015 #237
I make no bones about it. Proudly boast that I'm a liberal ffr Aug 2015 #238
Go, Manny, Go! emsimon33 Aug 2015 #242
Love you co-opting offense over be called "uppity". Especially since it had nothing to do w/your OP bettyellen Aug 2015 #244
Caught that too? zappaman Aug 2015 #252
Next up- to accuse people of thinking he is "shrill", LOL... bettyellen Aug 2015 #267
Don't you sass me! zappaman Aug 2015 #273
I heard the whistle. Dogwhistle, that is. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #279
who is the "DLC Doyenne?" ericson00 Aug 2015 #247
I didn't see much discussion of liberals vs. progressives senz Aug 2015 #249
Most liberals are for HRC not Sanders arely staircase Aug 2015 #255
I like liberals when they created Social Security but when then did mass incarceration it was a bad Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #263
Remember this plea artislife Aug 2015 #269
Bernie Sanders has always opposed the third way MoveIt Aug 2015 #289
Happy to push this to 200 rec's. Ron Green Aug 2015 #294
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