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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
11. I don't see it as an attack.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:31 AM
Aug 2015

I think it makes a great OP, and I hope that we're all listening.

I'm glad you made it an OP; at # 354, I probably never would have seen it. My old 'puter keeps crashing, and can't seem to load all of really long threads.

I strongly agree that, not just Bernie supporters or white liberals, but ALL people of conscience should be ACTIVELY supporting you in the fight for racial justice. When it comes to the primaries, I've noted that the BLM action at NN was successful. All the candidates will now say "Black Lives Matter" and name names.

That, I know, is only a first step. Candidates need to follow up on that with specific policies to address specific racial justice issues. I'm hearing them talk about it. I'm guessing that the black community would like more, and more specific, plans of action.

Can you tell us what you think about what the candidates have offered up so far?

As far as the issue of Sanders supporters being "mean," etc., I have to say that I don't honestly "get" it.

One of the reasons, I'm sure, is that I don't see very many threads about HRC. I put "HRC," "Hillary," and "Clinton" in as terms to hide threads. I know what she's doing on the campaign trail. I can read about her in the news if I want to. She's not ever going to earn my support, not without becoming someone she's not. That doesn't mean that I "hate" her. I simply don't support her political self. I don't need to argue about her.

So whatever is happening in most Clinton threads, I'm not seeing it. I am seeing, though, the same kind of behavior we're accused of happening in Sanders threads.

I've learned a great deal by listening. I think you make a good point about Obama. That's a really loaded topic for me, and I don't know that right here is the best place to discuss it. What I'll say is that, regardless of my own take, I GET the Black community' support for him, and don't begrudge it. I'll point out that Sanders himself speaks very positively about Obama, even when disagreeing with him. He spends more time mentioning his agreements than disagreements.

I also have seen what you describe, the defensive shut down of conversation. In this case, and in life. I've reacted that way myself many times.

I hope you, and others, will keep talking. I'll be listening, and I hope the rest will, too.

All I really see from Hillary supporters, boiled down, is Bernie cannot win so if I don't djean111 Aug 2015 #1
Mostly I see them defending Hillary's record and her liberal status. bravenak Aug 2015 #3
I like your post, Bravenak. I wish we could have more rational discussions about sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #80
I'm glad you see that I want to help. bravenak Aug 2015 #90
Yes, I do see that in your post. And I appreciate it. It is true that people will sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #98
Yes. Everybody does it differently. bravenak Aug 2015 #110
^THIS^ SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #378
Yep. Logic just does not sway folks as much as emotional appeals. bravenak Aug 2015 #380
Hey, you're still here in this scrum! SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #383
Hanging in there, barely. bravenak Aug 2015 #386
+1. And, I would add ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #454
Yes!!!!!!!!!! bravenak Aug 2015 #458
I agree with what you are saying - I love President Obama - but how do we approach issues jwirr Aug 2015 #93
It will be very difficult to approach issues like the TPP. bravenak Aug 2015 #118
Thank you for a very deep and thought provoking OP. If you haven't already I think you appalachiablue Aug 2015 #213
If I wasn't so busy in real life, with my daughters autism and other family issues, I would. bravenak Aug 2015 #308
They support black lives matters fully AlbertCat Aug 2015 #100
You took the wrong lessons from my post. bravenak Aug 2015 #105
call it a stunt AlbertCat Aug 2015 #113
Are you done trashing Black Activists? bravenak Aug 2015 #120
Are you done trashing Black Activists? AlbertCat Aug 2015 #127
I guess you think you are helping Bernie by trashing black activists. bravenak Aug 2015 #145
Disagreeing is not the same as trashing Alfalfa Aug 2015 #250
I wonder WHO you are. bravenak Aug 2015 #251
And? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #253
I like pizza.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #254
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #255
But you sure showed up for the experience. bravenak Aug 2015 #257
And I wonder who YOU are. senz Aug 2015 #329
Look me up on facebook. Friend me.:) bravenak Aug 2015 #331
OK, I did. If that's you, I like your baby. senz Aug 2015 #338
Senz, please artislife Aug 2015 #342
^THIS^ SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #358
Maybe liking me is just not for you. I'll try my BEST to survive this deadly blow.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #353
THANK YOU, IT'S not just me. orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #260
I see you miss me. bravenak Aug 2015 #283
I don't recall anyone (certainly not bravenak) saying SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #132
that Sanders somehow does not care as much about black issues than Hillary. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #135
Well, if that is translated to SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #142
Bernie's successful Burlington, VT waterfront Campaign Kickoff event occurred appalachiablue Aug 2015 #345
Not sure what your point is. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #347
I was responding to 142 where you say if people perceive Bernie to be behind the curve, it's appalachiablue Aug 2015 #352
Oh, 142. That's me. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #357
Sanders has never said that he was the candidate of "hardwoking people, white people" eridani Aug 2015 #398
need to refocus on non-economic issues AlbertCat Aug 2015 #435
Racism is the poisoned fruit. bravenak Aug 2015 #440
You will NEVER convince US that if we were just rich AlbertCat Aug 2015 #443
No white person can tell us HOW WE should fight our fight as to please THEM. bravenak Aug 2015 #444
If you look at the response of the candidates to the issue since the protest... stone space Aug 2015 #284
but the event was ruined. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #294
Wow. Just. Wow. scarletwoman Aug 2015 #303
Bernie and O'Malley have listened for years now daybranch Aug 2015 #348
Okay, you just go with that. nt scarletwoman Aug 2015 #350
Exactly, SW Aerows Aug 2015 #360
This was Martin and Bernie's opportunity to listen. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #436
This is called 'white male privilege'. bravenak Aug 2015 #442
This is called 'white male privilege'. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #445
Yes it is. bravenak Aug 2015 #446
Why does anyone "have" to? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #247
It's good advice if you want Bernie to win the nomination. scarletwoman Aug 2015 #274
I only want people to win if they stand by what they believe Alfalfa Aug 2015 #278
Huh. So if Bernie campaigns more directly and effectively to AA voters, he's "selling out" and scarletwoman Aug 2015 #289
It's divisive. He should be campaigning to ALL Americans who share his values Alfalfa Aug 2015 #291
It's "divisive" to bring AA voters on board? scarletwoman Aug 2015 #297
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #299
"Race shouldn't even be an issue." SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #359
No kidding! Aerows Aug 2015 #373
Thanks. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #382
prime example of the "problem" heaven05 Aug 2015 #439
prime example of the "problem" AlbertCat Aug 2015 #441
Please your BS is a typical, tried and untrue meme heaven05 Aug 2015 #447
You have GOT to be kidding me. cui bono Aug 2015 #241
Is this helping win over black voters? bravenak Aug 2015 #244
I'm not speaking to all black voters. I am speaking in direct response to your post. cui bono Aug 2015 #246
Still abrasive and unhelpful. bravenak Aug 2015 #249
Well guess, what? That's how you've been lately. cui bono Aug 2015 #264
You came here demanding changes to my sigline and refusing to read the op. bravenak Aug 2015 #266
I never demanded anything. I simply stated that I thought your sig is divisive and so I wouldn't cui bono Aug 2015 #270
Fine. bravenak Aug 2015 #272
Interesting, one of the most ardent Sanders supporters had very nice and pleasant... George II Aug 2015 #433
I get along pretty well with the HRC people. I am a member of the group rpannier Aug 2015 #418
I know one poster who does that. bravenak Aug 2015 #419
A few points after reading some of the comments you received rpannier Aug 2015 #421
Yes. bravenak Aug 2015 #427
THAT is your takeaway? Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #4
Did we just read the same OP? Raine1967 Aug 2015 #8
Yes, we read the same OP. djean111 Aug 2015 #12
No one is actually being asked to erase racism. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #37
Yes, please. That's something to work towards.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #40
Thought provoking post stevil Aug 2015 #349
I agree with your points! The issues are different Plucketeer Aug 2015 #66
"I am basically being told how to ACT" SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #154
Try not to conflate 'Hillary supporters' and AA folks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #9
Lukewarm support? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #33
Hillary Wins The Only Standing Ovation From An Obama Crowd lunamagica Aug 2015 #103
EXACTLY !!! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #104
I Know! Just a bit more from the article: lunamagica Aug 2015 #108
I think your taking the OP the wrong way. The OPs view, rightly or wrongly is that Hillary appears still_one Aug 2015 #13
And that is up to Bernie, not his supporters. djean111 Aug 2015 #14
It is both. Bernie doesn't run his campaign in a vacuum. In the Netroots/BLM town hall, if you still_one Aug 2015 #28
He must be in a bubble then....otherwise VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #107
SBS has addressed law enforcement abuses against AAs through calls for better 'community policing', appalachiablue Aug 2015 #143
He has been talking about this passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #361
That's correct RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #25
Stop spoiling everything with the truth. L0oniX Aug 2015 #34
All of that and how Bernie has been addressing the needs of black Americans through appalachiablue Aug 2015 #87
This is true, appalachiablue. Bernie actually wants to DO something about it. nt senz Aug 2015 #183
^^^^^^^ THIS THIS THIS ^^^^^^^ senz Aug 2015 #176
My concern is right on. You dismissing it is the problem.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #178
I think Bernie's doing a good job of putting the truth out there. Rumors can't stop him. senz Aug 2015 #196
I think you can help him by heeding my advice. bravenak Aug 2015 #304
Bravenak, I have NEVER put down Barack Obama. I defend him online and in person. ALWAYS. senz Aug 2015 #327
Have a wonderful day. bravenak Aug 2015 #328
I know what Bernie's record is. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #182
"We know the Clintons...they made terrible decisions...those facts..." < "responsiveness". eek! jtuck004 Aug 2015 #155
The GOP invented ' Citizens United ' so they could slander Hillary, Ugly? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #341
I am so glad you made this an OP. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #2
I am too. I did it because you liked it so much. bravenak Aug 2015 #5
I responded to you in the other thread, Don;t know if I should post it here or not. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #20
Excellent post, bravenak Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #6
Thank you. bravenak Aug 2015 #7
I did not know this: Control-Z Aug 2015 #10
I know it's weird. bravenak Aug 2015 #15
She is afterall...as one poster put it the default.. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #36
She is. bravenak Aug 2015 #39
Then how do you reconcile supporting VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #117
I just do not like her very much. bravenak Aug 2015 #122
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #133
Vanilla. I'm much better at reading people than you are, Sweet. bravenak Aug 2015 #138
No you are not....how dare you say such a VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #141
You read me wrong several time since I joined. bravenak Aug 2015 #146
Noooo I did not read you wrong VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #148
I have no idea why you always go on the attack. bravenak Aug 2015 #150
But you claiming to be a better judge than I VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #152
I said I'm better at reading people. bravenak Aug 2015 #157
Aloha brave, 1st of all, thank you for your OP..I, of course, really like this part.. you know I do! Cha Aug 2015 #265
Yeah. I always try to get along with her regardless. She is VERY passionate. Very. bravenak Aug 2015 #269
You're good. Cha Aug 2015 #279
Bravenak, please read my post just below Cha's after this one of yours passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #379
I was really glad to read this bolded part of Bravenak's OP too passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #374
Ok. Think about it this way... bravenak Aug 2015 #385
I agree with you that living comes first passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #394
They can be fought at the same time. bravenak Aug 2015 #396
Believe me, I'm 100% behind your cause. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #399
I think there is a small chance that the conversation can change. bravenak Aug 2015 #401
I don't do social networking,so I have no place to spread it passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #405
Thank you. bravenak Aug 2015 #411
I Hope so too. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #413
He's running as in a dem primary because he does not want Dem's to lose passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #364
You don't see Hillary's default status changing? senz Aug 2015 #195
Bravenak's candidate is NOT Hillary. scarletwoman Aug 2015 #202
No. bravenak Aug 2015 #224
Very, very firm on Hillary as the "default" primary candidate? senz Aug 2015 #240
Missed this. bravenak Aug 2015 #472
it's also weird so many people missed the point that you want to take AA votes FROM Hillary carolinayellowdog Aug 2015 #214
I wish they would all see it your way. bravenak Aug 2015 #416
I don't see it as an attack. LWolf Aug 2015 #11
Thank you for this post. bravenak Aug 2015 #23
One thing LWolf Aug 2015 #61
I have issues with forgetting. I'm an elephant about that. bravenak Aug 2015 #169
Good point DLnyc Aug 2015 #175
"she listens to what is going on and jumps right in to say the right thing." REALLY? senz Aug 2015 #184
The worst I've seen from supporters attacking black people online has been on Twitter, not here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #43
I'm sorry to hear that. LWolf Aug 2015 #70
Just type Twitter, or poke at one of those little bluebirds you see here and there, and MADem Aug 2015 #209
You should follow people who are supportive of BLM, I have been following them and sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #91
Thanks for the info about Twitter. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #159
I'm still fairly new to it myself, and I'm sure I don't have it properly configured. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #210
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #172
I'll give it a try, thanks! nt LWolf Aug 2015 #173
I've got absolutely nothing to say here but.....++++++++ nc4bo Aug 2015 #16
Thank you!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #48
I will K and R this now without reading it yet! m-lekktor Aug 2015 #17
Lol! bravenak Aug 2015 #24
I understand and don't dislike you in any way. mmonk Aug 2015 #18
Thank you for taking my opinions into consideration.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #32
good advice. mopinko Aug 2015 #19
I hope they listen to me.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #62
Duely noted JackInGreen Aug 2015 #21
Thank you for this post. I think open, reality based discussion is key to progress. DLnyc Aug 2015 #22
That is a good idea what you are doing. bravenak Aug 2015 #29
THANK YOU! SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #26
You're Welcome!!! bravenak Aug 2015 #30
Great post. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #27
Thanks.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #31
Excellent ! sellitman Aug 2015 #35
I would LOVE IT if he read my post!! bravenak Aug 2015 #38
Bernie will strengthen on issues for black people, as he has for all through his 40 year career. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #187
I think we Bernie supporters could also learn a lot from Obama on issues of race. jalan48 Aug 2015 #41
I agree.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #45
I actually would like for him to step up even more. And I fully expect him to as the end of his term jwirr Aug 2015 #156
Yes, he's in a position to actually do something. He would be listened to by all Democrats. jalan48 Aug 2015 #164
Wow, bravenak! What an awesome, well-written post! scarletwoman Aug 2015 #42
Thank you, I love you too!! bravenak Aug 2015 #44
"I still believe in Hope and Change!" scarletwoman Aug 2015 #65
Without hope we are lost. bravenak Aug 2015 #75
As I said the other thread, great post. blackspade Aug 2015 #46
I am very glad you find it helpful. bravenak Aug 2015 #50
Very well said,bravenak. Duval Aug 2015 #47
I am so glad. Thank you for reading the whole thing.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #49
This is well writ and a thoughtful reflection. procon Aug 2015 #51
I want the same things. We can do better. We MUST. bravenak Aug 2015 #53
A wonderful, thought-provoking post. blue neen Aug 2015 #52
Thank you!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #54
Thanks for this. Really good post. TDale313 Aug 2015 #55
You're welcome!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #57
As someone who will wear Bernie's credentials on Election Day, if he is the nominee, I appreciate msanthrope Aug 2015 #56
Thank you. bravenak Aug 2015 #58
I will not hesitate to vote for him, and I will not hesitate to work on his behalf for voter msanthrope Aug 2015 #60
Me too. I will do what I need to do for the nominee, regardless. I'm cool like that.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #63
for you..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #69
Lol!! That is EXACTLY what I was thinking!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #73
That you and I are on the same wavelength has made my day. msanthrope Aug 2015 #74
You too. Take care. This was great.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #76
I appreciate the spirit of your post. Here is an honest response Armstead Aug 2015 #59
Here, let me try to help you with your concerns. bravenak Aug 2015 #71
And in response I'd say... Armstead Aug 2015 #78
Everyone has to stfu sometimes. bravenak Aug 2015 #84
What the fuck is Sanders (and we) supposed to do? Armstead Aug 2015 #88
Like I said, change the way you frame the issues. bravenak Aug 2015 #97
Sorry but that's bullshit. Your response proved that it's impossible to be "nice enough" for you Armstead Aug 2015 #106
I told you how to win. Your pride is in the way.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #128
If I let my pride get in the way I'd have given up long ago Armstead Aug 2015 #153
Nobody is saying you cannot raise your economic issues. bravenak Aug 2015 #158
Interpet as you wish Armstead Aug 2015 #163
Very nasty post. bravenak Aug 2015 #166
Somwhat in line with "Shut the fuck up." Armstead Aug 2015 #167
Are you done being nasty yet, or do you need to go on for a few more posts to prove my point? bravenak Aug 2015 #170
Oh we could go back and forth -- But I don't have the time. Armstead Aug 2015 #174
You have the patience of a saint, Armstead. PotatoChip Aug 2015 #220
True. nt senz Aug 2015 #262
So if we all do what you demand whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #313
These are suggestions. bravenak Aug 2015 #315
Of course she is guaranteeing 840high Aug 2015 #320
I prefer Sanders. You can think I am disingenuous, but I am not. bravenak Aug 2015 #324
+1000 Stellar Aug 2015 #160
You're on a roll today! procon Aug 2015 #162
Thank you for understanding my stfu argument. bravenak Aug 2015 #165
Thank you. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #185
Why would I give a damn if a candidate gets into office if they are handcuffed into continuing TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #219
Because not everyone is your ideological twin in this party. bravenak Aug 2015 #223
But only the same some that was coming anyway. If Sanders has to be Rubinesque Clintonite TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #330
This is more of an emotional appeal and a request for a change in the way things are discussed. bravenak Aug 2015 #332
I don't see how that works short term to somehow win the nomination without a case for running TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #423
I can only try, I cannot force. bravenak Aug 2015 #424
Damn, now THAT is what I call keeping' it real :-) EOM The Green Manalishi Aug 2015 #95
This ^ speaks for me as well.. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #79
"Shut the fuck up" That's the reasoned response Armstead Aug 2015 #81
I see 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #89
No, because it was a good, Duppers Aug 2015 #119
I agree with you whole heartedly GitRDun Aug 2015 #64
Yes. I feel included with Obama. bravenak Aug 2015 #83
How you say things and how you make people feel matters. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #186
I don't see it as an attack. Seeing some of the paternalistic sermons from my fellow Sandernists... marble falls Aug 2015 #67
Thank you for this. bravenak Aug 2015 #77
If we don't face truth and start sticking together its going to be too late at some point. We'll ... marble falls Aug 2015 #115
^^ this nt artislife Aug 2015 #197
I don't think black and latino voters need to be pandered to. fbc Aug 2015 #68
Like the people mad at Wall Street? BainsBane Aug 2015 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #99
Yep. 840high Aug 2015 #322
Obama is a hard if not impossible act to follow-- which needs to be openly discussed carolinayellowdog Aug 2015 #72
Awesome post!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #101
I think you might want to reread that post Armstead Aug 2015 #109
Why?nt bravenak Aug 2015 #111
Just read it Armstead Aug 2015 #112
Hint -- I agree with that post 100 percent Armstead Aug 2015 #114
I do not have to agree to think an opinion was expressed in a respectful manner awesomely. bravenak Aug 2015 #123
I like you. senz Aug 2015 #282
Thanks....I'm glad somebody does around here Armstead Aug 2015 #296
I like you. 840high Aug 2015 #334
Interesting post, esp. how you note that people distinguish between pride in Pres. Obama's appalachiablue Aug 2015 #207
I agree with what you have said davidpdx Aug 2015 #465
It may be less than half but they have alot of ground to make up. bravenak Aug 2015 #471
I'm assuming from your post that you are referring to President Obama davidpdx Aug 2015 #473
I meant the president. bravenak Aug 2015 #474
I took it as you addressing me davidpdx Aug 2015 #476
Nobody's perfect.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #477
Brilliantly well said. The Green Manalishi Aug 2015 #82
I've got major issues with the idea that anything Obama has done must be supported and adopted TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #85
I was told the way to discuss them is to "Shut the Fuck Up" /nt Armstead Aug 2015 #92
I interpreted the advice as more as "accentuate the positive." SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #301
Yes. Thank you very much. Yes. Exactly. bravenak Aug 2015 #305
I'm all for building on the positive but there is a lot of shut up and embrace the negative in there TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #362
I didn't see the TPP advice. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #372
K & R for thoughtful discussion, Bravenak -- a GDP rarity! villager Aug 2015 #86
I think you just have to be aware of HOW you discuss an issue. bravenak Aug 2015 #136
Thanks - replying so I can find this post again. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #179
THANK you for this. John Poet Aug 2015 #94
I hope so.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #131
Amazingly you're getting people to listen BainsBane Aug 2015 #102
Thank god!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #126
Great OP, Bravenak sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #116
Thank you for reading it and taking it the way it was intended. bravenak Aug 2015 #125
I read your Op sheshe2 Aug 2015 #346
Me too. Exhausted. bravenak Aug 2015 #354
I think the assumption about black voters is demeaning... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #121
I was telling you how to win. bravenak Aug 2015 #124
How do you know how to "win"? MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #129
I'm fucking prescient. bravenak Aug 2015 #130
Cool! MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #137
It is a universal mystery that I need to keep secret or the world might explode. bravenak Aug 2015 #139
Too long, didn't read. fbc Aug 2015 #134
Does this help Bernie or hurt him? bravenak Aug 2015 #140
He's where he is now because of his internet supporters. fbc Aug 2015 #144
So that's all the support he needs and the rest of us can jump in a lake. bravenak Aug 2015 #147
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #149
Are you happy now? You get what you wanted out of this?nt bravenak Aug 2015 #151
Jury results: MerryBlooms Aug 2015 #307
Thank you vey much. I appreciate you guys having my back. It is helpful.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #309
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Wow. You're a real gem, aren't you. scarletwoman Aug 2015 #161
At least there seems to be less of it in this thread SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #181
Yes, I agree with all you wrote. scarletwoman Aug 2015 #190
Whoa. Such over-the-top insults. Y'all must be very afraid of Bernie. senz Aug 2015 #192
I'd very much like Bernie to win the nomination. That's why I hate seeing his supposed supporters scarletwoman Aug 2015 #198
Thank you, fbc senz Aug 2015 #188
Some PoC want a candidate to kiss their asses then deliver nothing fbc Aug 2015 #201
You just delivered a wagonful of poop. Real funky stuff, btw. nc4bo Aug 2015 #215
Wow. Hatchling Aug 2015 #180
"Go jump in a lake"... Wow.. you are so clever! How do they stand your cleverness?! Cha Aug 2015 #351
Exhibit A, the foot has been shot. bettyellen Aug 2015 #293
Lol! whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #336
Great post Gothmog Aug 2015 #168
Thank you!!!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #171
""Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results." unk. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #177
I enjoyed your post very much, and really appreciate the time and thought and effort you have taken LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #189
Yes that perception of his supporters is there. bravenak Aug 2015 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author Vinca Aug 2015 #191
I think you misread Bravenak. She strikes me as one of the most honest Vattel Aug 2015 #208
What a nasty, dishonest thing to say! scarletwoman Aug 2015 #211
Well, I can tell right away I might as well delete my post. Vinca Aug 2015 #218
You know, it IS possible to express a dissenting view without including a gratuitous insult scarletwoman Aug 2015 #221
I'm afraid I responded in that fashion because of previous encounters. Vinca Aug 2015 #222
Thoughtful post. I disagree with most of what you said, but I like the tone. Vattel Aug 2015 #193
kick. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #199
+1 and thanks for doing it! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #200
Thank you for your OP. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #203
Thank you artislife Aug 2015 #204
"Get the Black life." Well said as usual, artislife. senz Aug 2015 #212
"For once, y'all gotta hush." Hmm. No. Prism Aug 2015 #205
Pyou don't think black folks have had to shut up about their issues and just vote for the democrat? bravenak Aug 2015 #226
And you committed an unforced error - you complied Prism Aug 2015 #267
You don't HAVE to shut up. bravenak Aug 2015 #271
LGBTers were berated in this fashion in the past several elections. You are deeply wrong here. Prism Aug 2015 #365
I'm sorry, but comparing yourselves to an oppressed community is off putting. bravenak Aug 2015 #369
Who is "yourselves"? Prism Aug 2015 #381
I now have no idea what is going on. bravenak Aug 2015 #384
Just nevermind. This is too much effort. n/t Prism Aug 2015 #392
I Hope that feeling lasts.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #393
I agree with you completely. (except for the 'good OP' part since I won't read it with that sig) cui bono Aug 2015 #235
curious... Quayblue Aug 2015 #356
I'd like to ask you a question. I know you post in the AA forum that your lean toward Bernie... aikoaiko Aug 2015 #206
Good questions, aikoaiko. senz Aug 2015 #217
Not to annoy, but it appears the Obamas and Hillary are not at odds in these pictures: freshwest Aug 2015 #453
Well, I hope the expessions in those photos are sincere. Am sure you know about "politics and senz Aug 2015 #455
And Bill Clinton and George W Bush seem to be best friends jfern Aug 2015 #478
They know why I cannot stand Her. bravenak Aug 2015 #229
I think an OP explaining why you like Bernie for his policies (not simply not liking HRC for her's) aikoaiko Aug 2015 #243
Not until his supporters start being nice to my people. bravenak Aug 2015 #245
I hereby offer every African American member of DU a hug. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #259
Thank you. bravenak Aug 2015 #281
Your people are all Americans, no matter what their color Alfalfa Aug 2015 #311
My people are the ones in my struggle with me and support my struggle. bravenak Aug 2015 #312
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #314
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?nt bravenak Aug 2015 #317
I think you already know what's up there. nc4bo Aug 2015 #432
Lol!! Yep. Pizza Time!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #438
I appreciate your thoughts here. But the differences between Sanders supporters rhett o rick Aug 2015 #216
I want him to win over minority voters. bravenak Aug 2015 #228
I don't think it will be a problem. Sen Sanders offers honesty and integrity. His rhett o rick Aug 2015 #285
I'm seeing issues. bravenak Aug 2015 #287
Is she offering anything specific at this time? nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #288
Not in my opinion, but she is still ahead on messaging, sadly. bravenak Aug 2015 #292
bravenak, I like you, I don't like your sig. It's divisive. When you change it I'll read your OP. cui bono Aug 2015 #225
No deal. Have a nice day. bravenak Aug 2015 #227
Well there you go. cui bono Aug 2015 #232
I got enough lectures on civil rights from white liberals to last a lifetime. No more. bravenak Aug 2015 #233
Great, you can ignore them then cuz they're not directed at you. cui bono Aug 2015 #236
This op IS me helping. bravenak Aug 2015 #238
Right... because of anonymous Bernie supporters on an internet forum cui bono Aug 2015 #242
I can see you seriously dislike me. bravenak Aug 2015 #248
I do not dislike you. I dislike what you are saying on DU lately and your sig line, though as I said cui bono Aug 2015 #258
And I think you misread my intentions. bravenak Aug 2015 #263
Girl..sigh* I want to appreciate your time and efforts. But I really don't understand why you bother Number23 Aug 2015 #230
I know. I HAVE to STOP this shit. bravenak Aug 2015 #231
You did more than anyone possibly could BainsBane Aug 2015 #234
I know. bravenak Aug 2015 #237
If you do end up moving on BainsBane Aug 2015 #239
I will. This is so tiresome.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #252
Wait! Wait! Don't leave! Please don't leave! scarletwoman Aug 2015 #256
I'll still host the AA group with my folks. bravenak Aug 2015 #261
Wheew! Okay, I'm really glad to hear that! scarletwoman Aug 2015 #268
I'm excited for school too!!! bravenak Aug 2015 #275
I'm still here . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #273
But you said those nasty things and hurt my feelings. I was wrong about you and number23 was right. bravenak Aug 2015 #277
Too Right . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #321
I think there are people who just cannot put their personal aside artislife Aug 2015 #276
You won't be rid of me THAT soon, lol! bravenak Aug 2015 #280
Damn you, I was getting all teary eyed artislife Aug 2015 #286
I cry alot too! bravenak Aug 2015 #290
I'm glad that you have ALWAYS spoken your mind. That is wonderful Number23 Aug 2015 #295
So true. bravenak Aug 2015 #300
Living on Mt. Olympus ever get lonely ? orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #323
See? She was right about you and I was wrong. I thought you we cool. bravenak Aug 2015 #325
That does sadden me, Really your an intelligent courageous person, but fundamental condescension,, orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #333
You are just so mean to my AA brothers and sisters. It hurts me personally. bravenak Aug 2015 #335
I respect and valueD their insight, but Will exercise Free Speech without apology, sorry . Capital D orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #340
That is fine with me. Too bad you hafta be that way but you do you, boo.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #355
No lots of other gods and goddesses here with me. And lots of peons looking up from below Number23 Aug 2015 #371
I wouldn't hold my breath. Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #366
I better mark this post. bravenak Aug 2015 #370
You are spot on, Jamaal. Number23 Aug 2015 #375
I am extremely glad you posted the post as it's own op Sheepshank Aug 2015 #298
Right? I think it was pretty efective at helping people get it. bravenak Aug 2015 #302
Well, you certainly have attracted BainsBane Aug 2015 #306
Very true. bravenak Aug 2015 #310
I think the OP is spot on, and the Bernie Sanders campaign needs to SHAPE UP cloudythescribbler Aug 2015 #319
I am marking this so I can come back later and post a full reply, after I get back home. bravenak Aug 2015 #326
This primary is going to be about the harm of Neo-Liberalism, and that's where He wins . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #337
Thank you. Yes, the destruction that began with Ronald Reagan and continued through every YOHABLO Aug 2015 #339
It would of been the cure for unchecked greed . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #344
Thank you for the very thoughtful, and thought-provoking post! scarletwoman Aug 2015 #343
He has been modulating passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #388
You've posted some good things in this thread, but you really stepped in it here: scarletwoman Aug 2015 #457
bravenak, thank you so much for this elucidating post. You helped ME to understand DebJ Aug 2015 #363
My goodness I love this post so much!! bravenak Aug 2015 #368
Partners in the Arc of Justice.......... DebJ Aug 2015 #376
BOOM!!! bravenak Aug 2015 #377
Outstanding post, my friend! Aerows Aug 2015 #367
Thank you Aerows. bravenak Aug 2015 #387
For what it is worth Aerows Aug 2015 #389
That makes me feel good, thank you. bravenak Aug 2015 #390
It was a powerful post! Aerows Aug 2015 #391
To end the night, remembering a gentler time artislife Aug 2015 #395
I never forget that!!! It was the best funniest stuff that ever happened on DU since; bravenak Aug 2015 #397
I forgot this: bravenak Aug 2015 #400
I just wondered why the person huffed off artislife Aug 2015 #402
I do drink...just not there.... artislife Aug 2015 #403
I haven't seen him around. bravenak Aug 2015 #412
I found out artislife Aug 2015 #417
What an interesting guy. bravenak Aug 2015 #420
It is my favorite thread ever!!!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #406
We have to find him! nt artislife Aug 2015 #407
He won't drink with us!!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #409
Doh!! nt artislife Aug 2015 #410
I would never see a post from you awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #404
Thank you!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #408
Bernie has a long history of civil rights jfern Aug 2015 #414
Why are you telling me things I already know? bravenak Aug 2015 #415
Guys can we all please stop the fighting Coolest Ranger Aug 2015 #422
+1 bravenak Aug 2015 #428
I wanted to add to what I said upthread. Vattel Aug 2015 #425
Sorry I missed you earlier. bravenak Aug 2015 #426
I have seen plenty of that sort of "talking down" to blacks, Latinos and women. Vattel Aug 2015 #430
this quote DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #429
You can have one without the other. bravenak Aug 2015 #467
Blaming this exploding racism on a Black man makes one look stupid AND racist. DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #475
Allright, I got me a good block of time to read this through. bravenak Aug 2015 #487
you know what this bring suop DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #493
Appreciate this so much! Dem_in_Nebr. Aug 2015 #431
You're welcome!!!nt bravenak Aug 2015 #459
K&R I tend to judge puddings by the taste and texture. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #434
Well... bravenak Aug 2015 #437
reasonable and temperate heaven05 Aug 2015 #448
I know. bravenak Aug 2015 #449
I believe you heaven05 Aug 2015 #450
This world better watch the hell out!! bravenak Aug 2015 #451
sho nuff!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Aug 2015 #452
I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate what you are doing, bravenak. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #456
I think you are right. bravenak Aug 2015 #460
I'm so glad. I hope you'll send him the link to this whole amazing thread right away. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #463
Okay. I sent it. bravenak Aug 2015 #464
Fantastic! I'm excited to hear his show tomorrow. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #466
Excellent post...thanks for sharing it. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #461
You are welcome , Ken.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #462
my apologies, bravenak... cui bono Aug 2015 #468
It's okay. I understand bravenak Aug 2015 #469
Thanks. cui bono Aug 2015 #470
excellent post bravenak steve2470 Aug 2015 #479
I hope it will. bravenak Aug 2015 #482
which candidate is speaking about issues of importance to black people? noiretextatique Aug 2015 #480
They are actually ALL attempting to do so now. bravenak Aug 2015 #481
we have been asking, demanding social justice for...forever noiretextatique Aug 2015 #483
Every time someone says this I start thinking, is this true? bravenak Aug 2015 #484
no argument from me: let's not pretend clinton noiretextatique Aug 2015 #490
She is NOT better. bravenak Aug 2015 #491
i firmly believe that economics is the key to winning noiretextatique Aug 2015 #485
You are not the only one. bravenak Aug 2015 #486
i cannot disagree...do you think democrats will noiretextatique Aug 2015 #488
I Think Democrats are hearing it. bravenak Aug 2015 #489
This is the time to make demands noiretextatique Aug 2015 #492
K & R for one of the best threads I've read here in a long time. lovemydog Aug 2015 #494
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