2016 Postmortem

Hydra

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93. Ya, Orwell really nailed it

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:16 PM

Aug 2015

You actually do need diebold though- as people stop voting, the regime is seen as less credible. The media has to pretend that a lot of people are engaged and supportive of the regime, and the votes have to be rigged in specific ways and numbers to back that up.

Of course, this presupposes the people in charge actually care to do the kabuki. They're barely trying these days.

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As a progressive, I have to wonder if we are now persona non grata when it comes to the [View all] mmonk Aug 2015 OP

This is what I read in another thread. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #1

Well. As we all know, the Democratic Party was once the party that supported slavery�. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #4

Great point! Paka Aug 2015 #25

Yikes! passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #18

Just read that post and hour ago. it was a real face palm moment. then I looked at the profile. 2banon Aug 2015 #120

take over your local organizations ibegurpard Aug 2015 #2

I have been told way too many times Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #3

And I have been told I am basically a Republican... Adrahil Aug 2015 #73

Wondering the same thing, if DU and the posts along racial divides... slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #5

DU is not representative of the Democratic Party (outside of the internet) ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #53

Well, it's been a neat trick, turning the Dems into what used to be the GOP, and the Repubbies into villager Aug 2015 #6

Exactly - This ^^^^ udbcrzy2 Aug 2015 #10

:nods: Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #23

+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #77

The Democratic party is run by corporate paymasters Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #7

True - and more people are wising up to the game, so sometimes things get ugly. polichick Aug 2015 #101

Things are going to get very nasty, I'm afraid Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #102

This!^^^^^^10000! 2banon Aug 2015 #121

Practically everything -- including our imaginations -- has been financialized RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #8

Have been since 1976 or so. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #9

Manny, when did you join the Democratic Party? LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #12

Uhm kenfrequed Aug 2015 #129

I don't know what you mean by tone. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #138

Well now kenfrequed Aug 2015 #140

Yeah and what's your Party Number. And do you have friends in the Party? If rhett o rick Aug 2015 #113

Have you attended any Democratic Party meetings in your area? LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #11

These are internet whiners, not actual doers ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #22

Yes, getting out and doing the actual work is murielm99 Aug 2015 #34

I saw that "take over the local groups" comment ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #65

I love that Karl Rove quote you are using in your sigline. Always reminds me sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #80

Just who are you calling "whiners"? It was the Conservatives in our Party that rhett o rick Aug 2015 #114

I did. It was incredibly embarassing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #40

I posted a comment, a while back ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #59

I've been a precinct officer and a state delegate. mmonk Aug 2015 #84

One reason why your efforts may seem futile at times... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #142

#RedefineProgressive BainsBane Aug 2015 #13

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How does confronting white entitlement equate with "corporatism" to you? BainsBane Aug 2015 #16

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Upper class people? BainsBane Aug 2015 #19

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I guess he was a troll. Cha Aug 2015 #26

Yes, a recurring one. BainsBane Aug 2015 #28

Oh good.. I was just on his jury. seems fishy even though he denied it. Cha Aug 2015 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #127

I'm not a "progressive" and never have been. I'm a flaming, bleeding heart (called communist 1monster Aug 2015 #27

Good point. And I will try to keep that in mind. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #63

Me too! Hatchling Aug 2015 #98

Pasta sauce? LordshipLadyship Aug 2015 #117

Maybe that's it! I always make my own pasta sauce. 1monster Aug 2015 #118

No problem. mmonk Aug 2015 #133

politics is about coalition building bigtree Aug 2015 #14

This part of what you said passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #21

I'm talking devil's advocate bigtree Aug 2015 #24

I agree with that BainsBane Aug 2015 #35

+1 ... to both of your posts, above. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #66

We are living in an oligarchy now passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #96

You don't build a coalition Aerows Aug 2015 #30

why respond to my statement with an anti-Hillary remark? bigtree Aug 2015 #32

I apologize for the tone Aerows Aug 2015 #100

I have been working on coalition building specifically mmonk Aug 2015 #132

If it's undecided when I become president, I will answer your question Aerows Aug 2015 #29

It is the same stuff really... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #130

This has always been the case. joshcryer Aug 2015 #33

I made that assessment, and left the Party. Maedhros Aug 2015 #36

We have been persona non grata for as long as I can remember dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #37

Well put dream nightwind haikugal Aug 2015 #74

Thank you. Although I agree that we are outright told to leave the party. THIS is not the time. jwirr Aug 2015 #105

Yes, and why not do both? dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #109

Pro choice, more regulated capitalism,... NCTraveler Aug 2015 #38

I wish that were correct. But it's not. Democrats are slightly better...sort of Armstead Aug 2015 #43

Let's take your argument on healthcare. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #67

Here is my problem with the way it shook out Armstead Aug 2015 #71

Well Said Rilgin Aug 2015 #103

I donlt think it will crash Armstead Aug 2015 #108

We do not disagree Rilgin Aug 2015 #112

None of what you states makes it anti-progressive legislation. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #139

It's really not any different. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #39

And unfortunately when things take a dive it is the nature of the voter to throw the baby out with jwirr Aug 2015 #107

It's not new, unfortunately. Just reaching more of a tipping point, I think Armstead Aug 2015 #41

I'm a progressive, and I don't remotely feel like persona non grata. DanTex Aug 2015 #42

You lost me at "hard left purists" Armstead Aug 2015 #45

How else would you describe people who would don't consider Hillary or Obama to be DanTex Aug 2015 #46

In some ways they are -- In some ways they're not Armstead Aug 2015 #49

Well, same goes for anyone. DanTex Aug 2015 #51

You used some selective reading there Armstead Aug 2015 #61

my take TheFarseer Aug 2015 #50

I think social issues are economic issues are both important. DanTex Aug 2015 #54

Obama does support tax cuts for billionaires. TransitJohn Aug 2015 #60

Actually, no, he raised the top tax rate, something the GOP was opposed to. DanTex Aug 2015 #62

So he made permanent the lower rate of Bush tax cuts TransitJohn Aug 2015 #64

Not the top marginal rate (the one rich people pay). DanTex Aug 2015 #94

You don't think $400,000/year is rich? TransitJohn Aug 2015 #111

I'm having a hard time agreeing TheFarseer Aug 2015 #89

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #68

It's a challenge in a system with only two parties Armstead Aug 2015 #72

I'm a democrat in a state where it's not easy to be a democrat TheFarseer Aug 2015 #88

allow me to retweet that... Agony Aug 2015 #87

One isn't progressive if they support War, the Patriot Act, the XL Pipeline, fracking, indefinate rhett o rick Aug 2015 #115

I think the party is simply evolving to survive. DCBob Aug 2015 #44

Those 'compromises" are why "reality" sucks Armstead Aug 2015 #47

'To win we need to make compromises' HFRN Aug 2015 #55

translation 'you can have the social issues, but the rich get all the money' HFRN Aug 2015 #58

Yup. The Third Way is happy to throw a social issue bone our way LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #83

Even when it means the least of these - the poor go on suffering and dying. I do not like jwirr Aug 2015 #110

Survive = hookup with bankers, Wall Street & the military industrial corporations to win elections. L0oniX Aug 2015 #82

As an LGBT activist you sound short sighted and privileged. I mean, mmonk, what do you think your Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #48

But that's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #69

I've marched for LGBT rights. mmonk Aug 2015 #137

i think it's more sucka for granted, than personna non grata nt HFRN Aug 2015 #52

Rahm Emanuel: "Liberals are f&^$ing retarded" tularetom Aug 2015 #56

Progressives haven't been fredamae Aug 2015 #57

I changed my party affiliation earlier this year. When Bernie announced I switched back to Dem Autumn Aug 2015 #70

Well, welcome back, I guess. Adrahil Aug 2015 #75

Oh look. How are you? So nice to see you again. Autumn Aug 2015 #76

We're all persona non grata Hydra Aug 2015 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Aug 2015 #79

I joined the Democratic party in 1960, as a high school kid. MineralMan Aug 2015 #81

Well stated. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #90

Hard truths...sometimes hard to hear Sheepshank Aug 2015 #119

Grotesque amounts of money have poisoned the Democratic Party Agony Aug 2015 #85

ironically/appropriately the division is BETWEEN circular reasoning and pragmatism MisterP Aug 2015 #86

It's a continuation of the Bush/Obama administration mindsets Hydra Aug 2015 #91

that was Orwell's point--that dictatorships are strongest when they're contradicted by the facts MisterP Aug 2015 #92

Ya, Orwell really nailed it Hydra Aug 2015 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #95

Many liberals choose to participate in the Democratic Party DemocraticWing Aug 2015 #97

I think they are really frightened by Bernie. Hatchling Aug 2015 #99

I've allways felt marganalized by the Democratic party olddots Aug 2015 #104

LOL mmonk Aug 2015 #136

Always have been. elleng Aug 2015 #106

I like what Thom Hartmann said. senz Aug 2015 #116

We are split because we have a large oligarchist faction in the party now. Zorra Aug 2015 #122

I got my answer and the assassination of my character. mmonk Aug 2015 #123

They can't assassinate your character. Zorra Aug 2015 #124

You have a way with words. mmonk Aug 2015 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #125

Thom Hartmann just nailed it. Cleita Aug 2015 #126

The frightening thing is I lost quite a bit I had worked on for my disabled children. mmonk Aug 2015 #134

Most of us can't and they don't care. eom Cleita Aug 2015 #141

A wonderful thing happens when you cut ties with the Democratic Party. Maedhros Aug 2015 #128

I've already lost the emotional attachment. mmonk Aug 2015 #135