2016 Postmortem

JoePhilly

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63. That's why Kerry lost the Dem primary in 2004.

Reply to virtualobserver (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:46 PM

Aug 2015

And its why Hillary was crushed by Obama in 2008 ... oh wait, that's not what happened.

Obama barely passed her.

Suddenly, this is the most important for Dem primary voters ever!!!!

not.

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If You Break It, You Own It - Hillary's vote for the war is the defining issue for me [View all] virtualobserver Aug 2015 OP

It is one of the big NOs artislife Aug 2015 #1

One of two big issues for me.... daleanime Aug 2015 #2

Seven Clinton Vulnerabilities EndElectoral Aug 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #3

IWR shows she either thinks like a neocon so deluded they really think it'll be bloodless MisterP Aug 2015 #4

I trust you said the same things about John Kerry in 2004? brooklynite Aug 2015 #6

I did virtualobserver Aug 2015 #11

As did many of us. zeemike Aug 2015 #23

Yes...the convincing points are rather stale...nt artislife Aug 2015 #75

You're welcome to vote on any issues you want... brooklynite Aug 2015 #5

That is why I supported Barack virtualobserver Aug 2015 #12

Me, too! Nt artislife Aug 2015 #76

That's the one vote I won't hold against her. Vinca Aug 2015 #7

I want a president who can smell the BS before it hits the fan virtualobserver Aug 2015 #13

that would be Palin...she also acts without blinking at 3 am Sheepshank Aug 2015 #50

It is about Hillary being fooled, not gut feelings or odors virtualobserver Aug 2015 #68

And yet, a goodly number of people were skeptical or outright disbelieving of those lies. winter is coming Aug 2015 #14

Bush did not fool me, ever. If I am more capable of exhibiting intrinsic wise judgment in Zorra Aug 2015 #21

Thank you. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #34

Yes, it was obvious at the time that Bush was lying Martin Eden Aug 2015 #74

They deliberately let the genie out of the bottle, and it murdered hundreds of thousands Zorra Aug 2015 #81

Political calculation, hubris, and betrayal Martin Eden Aug 2015 #84

Anyone that listened to the inspectors knew there weren't any weapons of mass destruction. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #22

Hillary did not have access to the briefings given to the Armed Services Committee, pnwmom Aug 2015 #39

I didn't need to listen to any more lies to know they were lying. Many people knew and Hillary's not A Simple Game Aug 2015 #49

Inspections were going on in the winter and spring after the IWR had already been approved. pnwmom Aug 2015 #51

You know what would have been nice? Maybe if at the time we had a Senator Obama A Simple Game Aug 2015 #60

I opposed the war at the time and was unhappy that the IWR was approved. For weeks I'd stood out on a street pnwmom Aug 2015 #61

Sanders did not have access to the briefings either but still voted against the resolution. EndElectoral Aug 2015 #83

She had been out of the White House only a short time. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #32

She trusted those liars to tell the truth? I doubt it. arcane1 Aug 2015 #53

Bernie knew they were lies, I knew they were lies, why couldn't she figure it out? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #71

She was just doing her job. Nobody could have predicted the results. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #8

people blame Bush for that JI7 Aug 2015 #9

It could hurt her this time, depending on who the nominee is. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #15

It'll probably be Bush...ain't that a funny circumstance? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #52

Agreed. No interest in a Biden run, for the same reason nt Dems to Win Aug 2015 #10

that is the painful truth virtualobserver Aug 2015 #16

It was for me when she ran against Obama dem in texas Aug 2015 #17

Specifically, HOW did she actually "vote for war"...the details in the legislation she voted for.... George II Aug 2015 #18

We all knew Bush would lie. You could see that coming a mile away. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #20

Friday, October 11, 2002 she voted to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq virtualobserver Aug 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #67

Did you have the same problem with Kerry/Edwards? Persondem Aug 2015 #19

Both of the, and Clinton, and many others........ George II Aug 2015 #26

only a naive person would have granted Bush that power.....they were hell bent on war virtualobserver Aug 2015 #30

She was already trying to get her resume in order artislife Aug 2015 #77

I desperately wanted Warren to run virtualobserver Aug 2015 #78

I think he cheched in with Elizabeth before he jumped in. artislife Aug 2015 #79

Dean in the primary......Kerry and Edwards were wrong..... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #27

Yeah. I voted for Kucinich in the primaries. Of course I voted for Kerry in the 1monster Aug 2015 #28

Did you get an answer? I am curious. I surely can see NOT voting for Kerry AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #54

While it wouldn't stop be from voting for HRC in the general... thesquanderer Aug 2015 #24

I was not happy . . . Gamecock Lefty Aug 2015 #29

I've met some severely injured people who regret it even more than Hillary virtualobserver Aug 2015 #31

No one has a perfect record. I wish Bernie would indicate a change of heart on his anti gun-control votes. pnwmom Aug 2015 #33

A million dead brown people are no big deal, right? Not compared to a lawsuit by white people. arcane1 Aug 2015 #55

How many brown people do you think have died in the US because of our lack of adequate gun control? pnwmom Aug 2015 #57

They die every day in Iraq too n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #58

Good thing Bernie Sanders is pro-gun control then, eh pnwmom? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #70

I support Bernie because of his platform but jomin41 Aug 2015 #35

You wanted Hillary to "LEAD the fight against the war"? oasis Aug 2015 #36

opposing the war in Iraq could have saved so many lives virtualobserver Aug 2015 #37

True that. It was no easy decision for any Democrat. oasis Aug 2015 #43

Then she doubled-down by pushing hard for military strikes against Libya Maedhros Aug 2015 #38

and her supposed "regret" about her vote.... 2004 article- Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote virtualobserver Aug 2015 #40

proof y'all didn't pay ANY ATTENTION AT ALL. the VOTE for iwaq was POLITICALLY timed by asshat W. pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #41

It required political courage to vote against it. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #42

I wondered about this statement as I could not recall how many voted for or against in the AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #56

Sanders was in a safe seat. It did not take all that much political courage Persondem Aug 2015 #62

The debate on whether it was gutless, or a cautious tactical move, or naiveté.... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #72

Like Hillary Kerry voted for it. Biden voted for it, oh John Edwards too! A Simple Game Aug 2015 #59

Yep. Playing politics with lives is over the limit. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #44

This is such a non issue with primary voters . FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #45

Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote virtualobserver Aug 2015 #47

Tell that to the Cindy Sheehans of the world d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #64

Biden voted for it too; care to tell us what you think? ericson00 Aug 2015 #46

I wouldn't vote for Biden in the primary either virtualobserver Aug 2015 #48

That's why Kerry lost the Dem primary in 2004. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #63

Obama barely passed by? d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #65

That is probably the dumbest descrption of why Hillary lost to Obama ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #66

Dumbest? Try reading the articles from the time d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #80

It only is important if you care about what happened to the people who served... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #69

^^^this^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #73