2016 Postmortem

virtualobserver

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69. It only is important if you care about what happened to the people who served...

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 06:23 PM

Aug 2015

and who died and those who still suffer.

How it affected elections is trivial by comparison.

This is not a talking point.

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If You Break It, You Own It - Hillary's vote for the war is the defining issue for me [View all] virtualobserver Aug 2015 OP

It is one of the big NOs artislife Aug 2015 #1

One of two big issues for me.... daleanime Aug 2015 #2

Seven Clinton Vulnerabilities EndElectoral Aug 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #3

IWR shows she either thinks like a neocon so deluded they really think it'll be bloodless MisterP Aug 2015 #4

I trust you said the same things about John Kerry in 2004? brooklynite Aug 2015 #6

I did virtualobserver Aug 2015 #11

As did many of us. zeemike Aug 2015 #23

Yes...the convincing points are rather stale...nt artislife Aug 2015 #75

You're welcome to vote on any issues you want... brooklynite Aug 2015 #5

That is why I supported Barack virtualobserver Aug 2015 #12

Me, too! Nt artislife Aug 2015 #76

That's the one vote I won't hold against her. Vinca Aug 2015 #7

I want a president who can smell the BS before it hits the fan virtualobserver Aug 2015 #13

that would be Palin...she also acts without blinking at 3 am Sheepshank Aug 2015 #50

It is about Hillary being fooled, not gut feelings or odors virtualobserver Aug 2015 #68

And yet, a goodly number of people were skeptical or outright disbelieving of those lies. winter is coming Aug 2015 #14

Bush did not fool me, ever. If I am more capable of exhibiting intrinsic wise judgment in Zorra Aug 2015 #21

Thank you. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #34

Yes, it was obvious at the time that Bush was lying Martin Eden Aug 2015 #74

They deliberately let the genie out of the bottle, and it murdered hundreds of thousands Zorra Aug 2015 #81

Political calculation, hubris, and betrayal Martin Eden Aug 2015 #84

Anyone that listened to the inspectors knew there weren't any weapons of mass destruction. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #22

Hillary did not have access to the briefings given to the Armed Services Committee, pnwmom Aug 2015 #39

I didn't need to listen to any more lies to know they were lying. Many people knew and Hillary's not A Simple Game Aug 2015 #49

Inspections were going on in the winter and spring after the IWR had already been approved. pnwmom Aug 2015 #51

You know what would have been nice? Maybe if at the time we had a Senator Obama A Simple Game Aug 2015 #60

I opposed the war at the time and was unhappy that the IWR was approved. For weeks I'd stood out on a street pnwmom Aug 2015 #61

Sanders did not have access to the briefings either but still voted against the resolution. EndElectoral Aug 2015 #83

She had been out of the White House only a short time. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #32

She trusted those liars to tell the truth? I doubt it. arcane1 Aug 2015 #53

Bernie knew they were lies, I knew they were lies, why couldn't she figure it out? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #71

She was just doing her job. Nobody could have predicted the results. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #8

people blame Bush for that JI7 Aug 2015 #9

It could hurt her this time, depending on who the nominee is. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #15

It'll probably be Bush...ain't that a funny circumstance? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #52

Agreed. No interest in a Biden run, for the same reason nt Dems to Win Aug 2015 #10

that is the painful truth virtualobserver Aug 2015 #16

It was for me when she ran against Obama dem in texas Aug 2015 #17

Specifically, HOW did she actually "vote for war"...the details in the legislation she voted for.... George II Aug 2015 #18

We all knew Bush would lie. You could see that coming a mile away. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #20

Friday, October 11, 2002 she voted to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq virtualobserver Aug 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #67

Did you have the same problem with Kerry/Edwards? Persondem Aug 2015 #19

Both of the, and Clinton, and many others........ George II Aug 2015 #26

only a naive person would have granted Bush that power.....they were hell bent on war virtualobserver Aug 2015 #30

She was already trying to get her resume in order artislife Aug 2015 #77

I desperately wanted Warren to run virtualobserver Aug 2015 #78

I think he cheched in with Elizabeth before he jumped in. artislife Aug 2015 #79

Dean in the primary......Kerry and Edwards were wrong..... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #27

Yeah. I voted for Kucinich in the primaries. Of course I voted for Kerry in the 1monster Aug 2015 #28

Did you get an answer? I am curious. I surely can see NOT voting for Kerry AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #54

While it wouldn't stop be from voting for HRC in the general... thesquanderer Aug 2015 #24

I was not happy . . . Gamecock Lefty Aug 2015 #29

I've met some severely injured people who regret it even more than Hillary virtualobserver Aug 2015 #31

No one has a perfect record. I wish Bernie would indicate a change of heart on his anti gun-control votes. pnwmom Aug 2015 #33

A million dead brown people are no big deal, right? Not compared to a lawsuit by white people. arcane1 Aug 2015 #55

How many brown people do you think have died in the US because of our lack of adequate gun control? pnwmom Aug 2015 #57

They die every day in Iraq too n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #58

Good thing Bernie Sanders is pro-gun control then, eh pnwmom? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #70

I support Bernie because of his platform but jomin41 Aug 2015 #35

You wanted Hillary to "LEAD the fight against the war"? oasis Aug 2015 #36

opposing the war in Iraq could have saved so many lives virtualobserver Aug 2015 #37

True that. It was no easy decision for any Democrat. oasis Aug 2015 #43

Then she doubled-down by pushing hard for military strikes against Libya Maedhros Aug 2015 #38

and her supposed "regret" about her vote.... 2004 article- Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote virtualobserver Aug 2015 #40

proof y'all didn't pay ANY ATTENTION AT ALL. the VOTE for iwaq was POLITICALLY timed by asshat W. pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #41

It required political courage to vote against it. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #42

I wondered about this statement as I could not recall how many voted for or against in the AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #56

Sanders was in a safe seat. It did not take all that much political courage Persondem Aug 2015 #62

The debate on whether it was gutless, or a cautious tactical move, or naiveté.... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #72

Like Hillary Kerry voted for it. Biden voted for it, oh John Edwards too! A Simple Game Aug 2015 #59

Yep. Playing politics with lives is over the limit. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #44

This is such a non issue with primary voters . FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #45

Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote virtualobserver Aug 2015 #47

Tell that to the Cindy Sheehans of the world d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #64

Biden voted for it too; care to tell us what you think? ericson00 Aug 2015 #46

I wouldn't vote for Biden in the primary either virtualobserver Aug 2015 #48

That's why Kerry lost the Dem primary in 2004. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #63

Obama barely passed by? d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #65

That is probably the dumbest descrption of why Hillary lost to Obama ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #66

Dumbest? Try reading the articles from the time d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #80

It only is important if you care about what happened to the people who served... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #69

^^^this^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #73