2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Uppity Liberals [View all]raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)It is an corporate oligarchy. I myself strongly believe in the idea of democratic capitalism and the ideals of democracy, just as others strongly believe we already exist with the best we can do in that department, and thanks to them, we do.
As a liberal, my main charge for myself has always been living a life that doesn't make others assuredly worse. That I am not a conduit for hate and for those who care not what world they leave behind. If I were in Wall St, I would throw that all away.
I don't want communism, I want Adam Smith capitalism. I could just as easily say you wish oligarchy. And really, when I look around me, I see communism. Wall St has destroyed real America.
When I was a kid they would warn me if we ever became communist we would all line up a giant, square grey buildings that all looked the same to get our toilet paper and onions. A land of uniform conformity and sameness. When I look out across America now. I see those buildings. The Walmarts and Depots. Each one the same as the last, each one the same color, each the same floor layout, each one the same toilet paper.
This wasn't accidental. It was the desires of Wall St. They killed Mom and Pop America.
There are those who take issues like democracy and freedom seriously. Seriously enough to even enlist and kill poor people overseas they envision as a threat. And while I may lack the belief they are the ones stifling our freedoms, and not the corporations, one must appreciate the sacrifice they make.
I don't know that I could ever kill for democracy, but I can certainly suffer for it. And I do, in the best way I can as a liberal.
Thanks for at least conceding the point about our decent into the conservative corporate maelstrom. We literally have to exist in the most democracy they will allow.
As for those who increase the power of corporations and then use a little of that money to support a "liberal" candidate. It is, at its very best, a one step forward, two steps back situation.
I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.