2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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112. We were all already supporting that movement. Bernie was already supporting it.

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:21 AM

Aug 2015

It never has been either/or.

Why can't you accept that there isn't a conflict between supporting BLM's objectives and at the same time wanting the most progressive and anti-oppression candidate of them all to be nominated and elected?

And really, why should anybody trust the candidate you've chosen to support, who as the least-progressive person running as a Dem is automatically going to be the most suspect on civil rights issues, to genuinely care about what BLM stands for?. Fine, she's "electable&quot the polls now show Bernie is too, btw) but she's always been a "law and order/zero tolerance/Broken Windows" type in her record on police issues. She's better than the R's by default, but you can't really believe she can be better on this than the overall-most-transformative candidate.

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Holy, are there people here seriously defending BLM Seattle's actions!?? What's wrong with you? [View all] gobears10 Aug 2015 OP

Well done! Thanks...K&R! haikugal Aug 2015 #1

This Needs To Be Read...They Were Paid billhicks76 Aug 2015 #29

All the edibility of right-wingers that use contorted logic to call any liberal or minority brewens Aug 2015 #2

Frankly what they did was sheer stupidity....hurting the one candidate most likely to help them. yourout Aug 2015 #3

Ignorance & Hate are UGLY, and in this case deadly among the lower Middle Class & The Poor. bvar22 Aug 2015 #4

The only people defending it are the usual suspects Hydra Aug 2015 #5

that's why everyone's so suspicious--that we've been hearing this since 2008, MisterP Aug 2015 #8

Meatspace? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #90

It would seem to me that BLM is being used to spread a message that ALL white people are jwirr Aug 2015 #42

Then we need a disavowal of the Seattle chapter's actions Hydra Aug 2015 #45

They were a trolling operation trying to get Bernie to have them arrested. The money Vincardog Aug 2015 #78

if you start there, then you can begin the discussion in earnest Supersedeas Aug 2015 #183

Ignore any asshole boosting BLM Seattle's actions MoveIt Aug 2015 #43

K&R! Well said! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #6

excellent, insightful post cali Aug 2015 #7

BLM Seattle? BLM Portland? MinM Aug 2015 #9

er...yeah Doctor_J Aug 2015 #26

why do they always ask when they know they'll get an answer? in detail MisterP Aug 2015 #27

Thanks for the links... MinM Aug 2015 #37

here is something from Ring of Fire Voice for Peace Aug 2015 #105

Crazy .. we should thank Marissa Janae Johnson. MinM Aug 2015 #179

I'm sure you already know this but there are many more examples. Shameful. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #56

great post. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #10

Come on, people. We've all watched BLM form over the last year . . . brush Aug 2015 #11

Then let BLM repudiate it dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #12

Not buying it? brush Aug 2015 #14

No I am not new to the game dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #18

Like I said . . . brush Aug 2015 #113

So you will assume that these three women represent the nation movement rhett o rick Aug 2015 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #166

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #96

Here is the answer passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #30

Wow dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #68

Someone who might be a speaker for BLM made a statement Babel_17 Aug 2015 #132

She was the person who disrupted Bernie at Net Roots. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #155

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #165

Wait a minute. You can't come on here stating that BLM is funded by Soros . . . brush Aug 2015 #168

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #169

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? brush Aug 2015 #170

Yup......please provide links. GP6971 Aug 2015 #172

Shouldn't your response have been to the post that was hidden? brush Aug 2015 #173

What's wrong with supporting a movement to stop police killings? BainsBane Aug 2015 #13

Did you even read the OP? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #19

Sure don't look like it. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #20

But why miss a perfectly good opportunity to grandstand? stranger81 Aug 2015 #24

NO KIDDING. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #80

I will stand with BLM too passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #31

Co-opted by "a woman's movement"? Orangepeel Aug 2015 #86

You'll support them as long as its not your candidate being sandbagged shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #32

The day I put a politician's career above human rights and equality BainsBane Aug 2015 #40

BLM is one group. And it increasingly appears seriously fucked up. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #54

...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #77

Let's see: Bernie Sanders versus a dimwit Palin voter. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #123

Her facebook link said she had a Palin button in high school. R B Garr Aug 2015 #129

And? There's still no compelling reason I should listen to someone with this sort of judgment. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #130

Ah, so picking a party in high school is the new standard, yet Bernie isn't even R B Garr Aug 2015 #134

I'll align myself with the liberal while you work with the Palin groupie. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #137

Ah, but liberals who can actually get elected are even better. R B Garr Aug 2015 #139

Bernie has not switched parties. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #142

So Bernie is an opportunist who is using the Democratic party. R B Garr Aug 2015 #143

AA's have always been welcome in this party by the progressives passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #144

You are denying it is Sander's supporters who are attacking BLM now?? R B Garr Aug 2015 #147

And you are obviously trolling for a fight passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #148

Reality is that it was you who tried to divide the Democratic party R B Garr Aug 2015 #149

Show me where I said "only" passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #151

Here's what you said: "by the progressives" Your quote: R B Garr Aug 2015 #153

Don't waste your time with that one, passiveporcupine. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157

She might have an agenda that's not really in sync with BLM Babel_17 Aug 2015 #177

Bernie Sanders is opposed to police killings tinrobot Aug 2015 #41

Don't be fooled JackInGreen Aug 2015 #91

The case you make in your posts would be more convincing.... AOR Aug 2015 #81

I don't need to reconcile a thing BainsBane Aug 2015 #109

Of course your voting rights are your own... AOR Aug 2015 #133

When that movement apparently wants to wait at least 16 months to do anything about it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #82

WTF? C Moon Aug 2015 #104

Are you familiar with what happened in Seattle? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #106

We were all already supporting that movement. Bernie was already supporting it. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #112

Nothing. By your description it is a good thing. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #114

So shocked! MoveIt Aug 2015 #117

The "Bernie Sanders and progressive Democrats are racist" meme began here Zorra Aug 2015 #15

They already did some damage Doctor_J Aug 2015 #17

I really hate to hear this coming from liberals and progressives passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #150

I doubt this is coming from Clinton supporters Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #163

Thanks, good info dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #33

I PM'd the info to you, otherwise it would get hidden. Again. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #47

Me too please Zorra, thanks! haikugal Aug 2015 #127

Organized, dirty politics by the HC crowd left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #79

Nah, probably the GOP. jeff47 Aug 2015 #83

^^^^THIS THIS THIS^^^^ haikugal Aug 2015 #126

You're a busy fellow, aren't you? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #16

per Marissa's facebook page, she supported Sarah Palin and was with the GOP until about a month ago magical thyme Aug 2015 #28

Passive-aggressive isn't an attractive look. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #34

Did you bother to check out her Facebook page? truebrit71 Aug 2015 #35

Do you like the new changes to Bernie's website? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #36

Do you agree with her statement that Bernie and his followers.. truebrit71 Aug 2015 #38

OMG, Bernie is in on this too? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #48

Try answering the question. truebrit71 Aug 2015 #57

Nobody but you is claiming Bernie is allying himself with her dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #59

News flash. I don't care what any of you think of me or what I post. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #61

Bernie didn't respond to the Palin wingnut who screamed and shoved him yesterday. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #65

Awww, c'mere. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #66

"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #69

1+ riversedge Aug 2015 #88

re the walkback, not so fast dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #70

I think they're doubling down on the meme because they're embarrassed. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #74

I think a lot of people shamelessly hoped this "racist" smear would stick for a while arcane1 Aug 2015 #154

Now anyone who criticizes Marissa cares more about Bernie than black lives. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #156

Soros? Surely you mean the Kochs. CJCRANE Aug 2015 #108

I doubt Seattle had anything to do with it but rather the campaign's engagement with these Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #135

You defend this subhuman Republican piece of shit all you want. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #115

NOBODY is "subhuman". winter is coming Aug 2015 #121

Ok DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #122

I think you just got your answer... Bubzer Aug 2015 #89

There's a name for your logical fallacy: Post hoc ergo propter hoc Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #55

You mean the fact that Bernie added a section on racial justice to his website today? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #58

So Bernie added Racial Justice to his website... and you think this is bad? Bubzer Aug 2015 #92

I think it is great! I'm not sure why you thought I thought it was bad. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #95

I think, what you're deriding as conspiracy, others are legimately seeing as a cause for concern Bubzer Aug 2015 #119

When I was 16 my father apologized to me because it was his fault that "your face is so ugly nobody magical thyme Aug 2015 #110

um, what Facebook page? kwassa Aug 2015 #85

several links here AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2015 #97

links right here: magical thyme Aug 2015 #111

The people behind that ideology considered Jews rats, and a disease. There was a whole Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #21

is there a strangely PALE person in this group? pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #22

I want to know if some of these BLM protestor are registered to vote K lib Aug 2015 #23

I'd guess many are registered to vote but won't participate in two parties and see Sanders as a lead in Dem Person 2713 Aug 2015 #64

I agree that calling Sanders a white supremacist is idiotic. Vattel Aug 2015 #25

Interesting article on Kos today Major Nikon Aug 2015 #39

Outside Agitators 206 MinM Aug 2015 #60

sponsored by Merck & Co? MinM Aug 2015 #180

OutsideAgitators206 gets more Mercky MinM Aug 2015 #181

black lives matter is right on! captainarizona Aug 2015 #44

Uh, he already was talking about it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #84

The ignorance and stupidity of the voting public at large... ALBliberal Aug 2015 #46

As one who was there, I really feel Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #49

I'm sorry you were called a white supremacist. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #67

Thanks! Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #71

"...making common cause with the Republican caucus." moondust Aug 2015 #50

To start off, the biggest problem is she did NOT call Sanders "a WHITE SUPREMACIST LIBERAL".... George II Aug 2015 #51

K & R AzDar Aug 2015 #52

Kicked! GP6971 Aug 2015 #53

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #62

Mission Accomplished RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #63

which is why it is so hard to attack Republicans... icarusxat Aug 2015 #140

Will you be self deleting this thread? zappaman Aug 2015 #72

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #73

Not suprised there are Marissa Janae Johnson (republicon) lovers on DU. Sad and pathetic. L0oniX Aug 2015 #75

They don't want to argue about Bernie's stance on issues so... jalan48 Aug 2015 #76

We used to ban people who supported Republicans. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #116

I am choosing to believe they are paid disruptors Skittles Aug 2015 #87

I'll say it again. White Supremacists are fundamentalist Christians who consider Cleita Aug 2015 #93

Actually, the Dixiecats weren't "Liberal" in any sense of the word.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #94

right, fair enough... gobears10 Aug 2015 #98

Actually, the Democrats as a whole were popular with the working class in general since FDR.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #101

She was spouting Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove rhetoric which now that we know sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #99

What did she say? George II Aug 2015 #124

"She was spouting Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove rhetoric" George II Aug 2015 #182

Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #100

"conservative regressive" aka reactionary Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #102

K n R! flamingdem Aug 2015 #103

Preach it! NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #107

Well done boatsnhose Aug 2015 #118

The strange thing is that DEMOCRATIC underground seems to be one of the hotbeds Doctor_J Aug 2015 #120

Please don't call her a "terrorist." Maedhros Aug 2015 #125

So it may seem Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #136

Not all that strange, really. It's been a hotbed of support for RW economic terrorists Zorra Aug 2015 #138

"The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general," KamaAina Aug 2015 #128

likely the only thing I will ever say about this event.... mike_c Aug 2015 #131

Bernie Sanders is politically astute. He can fight his battles. The last time I check we live in a Farmbrook Aug 2015 #141

Doesn't surprise me. DU has always been slow to eject agent provocateurs. robertpaulsen Aug 2015 #145

Cuz this guy is awesome libodem Aug 2015 #146

I don't know what they are HassleCat Aug 2015 #152

So the Bernie PUD's have done nothing but call people names and label them: R B Garr Aug 2015 #159

This POC ... yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #160

Here's a shocker... Raymond82 Aug 2015 #161

These are the actions of a shill, imthevicar Aug 2015 #162

I'll remember that... bobclark86 Aug 2015 #164

It wasn't BLM kenfrequed Aug 2015 #167

It wasn't BLM?! Old Crow Aug 2015 #171

Why do research at all? kenfrequed Aug 2015 #174

Thanks, but I already read that article. Old Crow Aug 2015 #175

Shameful, isn't it? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #176

Hey gbears10!!! choie Aug 2015 #178

RECREATE 68 MinM Aug 2015 #184

Kick. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #185