2016 Postmortem

staggerleem

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114. Yes, Obama did voice support before the SCOTUS ruling.

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:54 PM

Aug 2015

But that's beside the point. Joe Biden spoke out FIRST, and the media jumped on his case (gaffester-in chief, etc.) and ONLY THEN did President Obama's "evolution" on the issue become complete. Funny how that worked out, no?

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Demanding a higher standard from Sanders [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

the problem is Bernie's consistency virtualobserver Aug 2015 #1

please elaborate. i have no idea what you are try to say. cali Aug 2015 #4

consistency in the most positive way....sorry if I didn't make that clear virtualobserver Aug 2015 #5

ah, thanks for the clarification cali Aug 2015 #6

condensing his stellar 53 year record to "He marched with Martin, so what?" virtualobserver Aug 2015 #30

Right off the bat some feel compelled to go for the big lie Babel_17 Aug 2015 #98

"the fierce urgency of now" is definitely why he is running virtualobserver Aug 2015 #104

There are VERY FEW things Bernie Sanders can be 'Marginalized' over. Hence, the fabrication. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #2

Yeah, when one of the early ploys was the guy's hairstyle, you knew there winter is coming Aug 2015 #11

Yikes! Bubzer Aug 2015 #55

Thank you. nt djean111 Aug 2015 #3

Moving of the goalposts! SoapBox Aug 2015 #7

It's a conservative and right leaning trait JackInGreen Aug 2015 #8

To succeed, he will need to do better, to be better procon Aug 2015 #9

lol. cali Aug 2015 #15

much of what that poster said is true because bernie does not have the 1%ers behind him questionseverything Aug 2015 #112

Bernie has not been complacent. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #26

Yes, he has been, but the good news is that he's changing. procon Aug 2015 #47

Obviously I disagree or I would not have written my post. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #61

I think many of us assumed all along he was going to do that Babel_17 Aug 2015 #99

Bernie gets it but has not handled it well up to this point GitRDun Aug 2015 #10

I suspect he will never be good enough for some people. zeemike Aug 2015 #12

If that's the case, that is sad. GitRDun Aug 2015 #33

Well what I think is sad that it IS a game. zeemike Aug 2015 #43

baloney. since NN he's handled it well. cali Aug 2015 #14

At least baloney is a nicer word. GitRDun Aug 2015 #29

hahaha. could be better. love your double standard. it couldn't be more blatant. cali Aug 2015 #37

Exactly the kind of rude response I would expect GitRDun Aug 2015 #58

No, he really didn't. procon Aug 2015 #35

holy shit. And what bullshit. he handled it with dignity and compassion cali Aug 2015 #54

He should have stayed too GitRDun Aug 2015 #60

He was on a schedule and had to leave to speak at an actual campaign event that day. arcane1 Aug 2015 #67

That's just an excuse, and a bad one. GitRDun Aug 2015 #76

That's just more made-up bullshit, devised as circumstances warrant. arcane1 Aug 2015 #80

Thank you again for the anger and swearing GitRDun Aug 2015 #86

No anger here, just amused at how far people will stretch to invent criticism arcane1 Aug 2015 #88

Oh I'm sorry GitRDun Aug 2015 #94

Well, at least you have proven my point. arcane1 Aug 2015 #97

No, it became clear that it was an exercise in denying him the stage Babel_17 Aug 2015 #103

The Bernie pile on GitRDun Aug 2015 #107

The standard is that Sanders loses points for being less than perfect Babel_17 Aug 2015 #101

My point exactly GitRDun Aug 2015 #59

He should've complied with their demands, bowed down, and licked their boots frylock Aug 2015 #75

Who said he has to do those things? Not me. GitRDun Aug 2015 #77

#bowdownbernie frylock Aug 2015 #79

Why would I care about that? GitRDun Aug 2015 #81

Senator Sanders was committed to a previous engagement.. frylock Aug 2015 #82

But, but, but he failed to "project strength"!!1 arcane1 Aug 2015 #83

Laugh if you like GitRDun Aug 2015 #89

People will definitely be exploited. You got that part right. arcane1 Aug 2015 #91

Over confidence is a killer GitRDun Aug 2015 #95

You should know. arcane1 Aug 2015 #96

Pot calling the kettle black GitRDun Aug 2015 #100

No, they would have had the Secret Service "escort" BLM the hell out. n/t BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #85

And maybe zap them with a taser in the process. arcane1 Aug 2015 #90

Thanks for the heads up! BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #92

Bernie has become the symbol of white liberalism, particularly the emphasis on economic DanTex Aug 2015 #13

Social Liberals Fiscal Conservative Roy Ellefson Aug 2015 #17

The Democratic Party is about both social and economic liberalism. DanTex Aug 2015 #18

Yeah, kenfrequed Aug 2015 #24

+100%! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #50

You're too kind. They're flat-out lying about his record, and the content of his speeches. arcane1 Aug 2015 #69

It's been about neo-liberalism in policy and rhetoric Armstead Aug 2015 #25

In the 90s, arguably, but obviously not anymore. DanTex Aug 2015 #27

Mild corse corrections compared to the bigger picture Armstead Aug 2015 #36

I would say that the Clinton policies you listed are the "mild course corrections," not Obama's. DanTex Aug 2015 #53

Ad I said, those economic Neo Liberal issues are debatable -- and should be Armstead Aug 2015 #62

Yes, they are. DanTex Aug 2015 #66

Thank you Armstead Aug 2015 #70

Thank you as well. I also get caught up on the back-and-forth. DanTex Aug 2015 #78

Unfairness in the Economic system directly effects the Social system LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #44

And BOTH are KEY ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #42

A candidate isn't allowed to focus on anything? kenfrequed Aug 2015 #19

A candidate can focus on anything he/she wants. And other people who don't agree with that focus DanTex Aug 2015 #20

Hmmph kenfrequed Aug 2015 #21

I am interested. What that I wrote do you disagree with? DanTex Aug 2015 #22

gotta love the Clinton people ibegurpard Aug 2015 #28

Whether white progressives decide to take racial injustice more seriously is not up to me. DanTex Aug 2015 #31

Has Gillibrand announced? staggerleem Aug 2015 #46

Don't trust any poll from the IMGUR site, without a source link. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #63

2008 all over again. ieoeja Aug 2015 #16

On this specific issue, everyone seems to have forgotten ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #52

Obama spoke out in support of gay marriage before the SCOTUS ruling. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #84

Yes, Obama did voice support before the SCOTUS ruling. staggerleem Aug 2015 #114

He could have said he disagreed with the vice president. A more cowardly president might have. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #115

My point was ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #119

Was Biden speaking on behalf of the administration? Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #120

Same old same old Old Codger Aug 2015 #23

Bernie doesn't get it. Indydem Aug 2015 #32

Good point, but at least Bernie is trying Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #34

He wants America to look like Scandinavia frylock Aug 2015 #38

Oh, I'm sorry - is quoting Bernie now an offense too? Indydem Aug 2015 #39

he wants America's economy to be modeled after countries like Scandinavia ffs frylock Aug 2015 #40

No. But his policies work better when the group is homogenous. Indydem Aug 2015 #48

Wow do you believe what you write demwing Aug 2015 #71

Another bullshit post.. frylock Aug 2015 #74

Indy... JackInGreen Aug 2015 #87

Sigh...it's sad that you even have to explain it... jonno99 Aug 2015 #51

It's fucking bullshit, and it's a deliberate attempt to cloud the issues frylock Aug 2015 #73

Clouding the issues is the only way to avoid debating them. n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #93

My gawd that's a stretch LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #64

Context matters... Gigabear Aug 2015 #102

No, you don't "get" Bernie Armstead Aug 2015 #41

disgusting to suggest what that post suggests. disturbing to see it here. cali Aug 2015 #57

That's a load of shit. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #45

He's a Jew who knows first hand the toxic power of racial/ethnic hatred. he grew up in NY cali Aug 2015 #49

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #72

Excellent points. It's laughable to think that Bernie gets yet another pass R B Garr Aug 2015 #105

Accusing a Jewish man of this? Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #113

Holding a higher standard is WHY I'll be voting for Sanders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #56

K & R historylovr Aug 2015 #65

part of me thinks "OK...LET the bar be set high!" demwing Aug 2015 #68

It's not about standards any more. They're targeting Bernie relentlessly without any regard to Doctor_J Aug 2015 #106

Patience will win out Babel_17 Aug 2015 #108

that is so sad. And ugly. cali Aug 2015 #110

I do think the context makes that video okay MisterP Aug 2015 #109

K & R! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #111

Bernie has a problem.. DCBob Aug 2015 #116

I wouldn't paint someone who grew up in Brooklyn, Oilwellian Aug 2015 #117

Im not saying its legitimate but I think that's the perception of many AA voters. DCBob Aug 2015 #118