2016 Postmortem

cascadiance

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114. They have you conditioned in to thinking that only candidates with THEIR money are worth voting for!

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:45 PM

Aug 2015

It's pretty clear in your messages here.

Where were the polls months ago in New Hampshire? Bernie was in the noise level then. He's now LEADING the polls there. Bernie's campaign is GROWING as people learn more about him. The only thing that is growing about Hillary's campaign is her unfavorability rating!

Revolutions take time, and when the population is under a very undemocratic system, it might evolve first in to something that isn't very democratic. But the point is things DID change in many countries there, and many despots were thrown out.

Just like the French Revolution of its day, the oligarchs who met with very untimely ends when the people who got fed up with them had them executed in very extreme ways, and for a while, that country also was beset by very problematic ruling power too after that revolution too.

If we want a decent transition to newer forms of power, now is the time to VOTE it in, rather than wait until many get so fed up with it that extreme forces get involved, and we have a French Revolution situation then.

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Gallup: Socialist Least Electable Group [View all] ericson00 Aug 2015 OP

Thanks for your concern. nt daredtowork Aug 2015 #1

...... Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #16

I support Hillary, but I am afraid she can not win the GE AverageGuy Aug 2015 #93

Agree with the OP...and this. Bunkalup Aug 2015 #120

Well I'll just abandon my beliefs then and vote for a warmonger like Clinton NobodyHere Aug 2015 #2

how is she a "warmonger?" ericson00 Aug 2015 #3

Bernie had the good sense to vote against it. NobodyHere Aug 2015 #4

So does that make any Democrat who voted for it a warmonger? ericson00 Aug 2015 #5

Yup, everyone who voted for it is a warmonger NobodyHere Aug 2015 #6

this is a perfect example of a fringe idea and a gross lack of politics knowledge ericson00 Aug 2015 #7

Being against the Iraq War is now a fringe idea? NobodyHere Aug 2015 #11

no, but holding it against a Dem primary candidate 13 years later ericson00 Aug 2015 #15

She is also responsible for pushing wars in Syria and Libya betterdemsonly Aug 2015 #43

Bernie voted for AUMF making him one of the warmongers also. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #97

War is a fringe idea. stone space Aug 2015 #32

A fringe idea? AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #54

It's really simple and not fringe. Those responsible for the Iraq war need to be held responsibile rhett o rick Aug 2015 #89

True...but Bunkalup Aug 2015 #121

You are avoiding the point. Some of our representatives did the correct thing, they rhett o rick Aug 2015 #123

She was either fooled by George Bush or she agreed to invade and kill hundreds of rhett o rick Aug 2015 #88

So, would they rather vote for candidates funded by Joseph Stalin's money through the Koch family? cascadiance Aug 2015 #8

If you think an effective leftynyc Aug 2015 #9

Well, it is about as effective as labeling Bernie as a socialist as if it is an epithet too... cascadiance Aug 2015 #45

But Bernie is a socialist leftynyc Aug 2015 #52

And the greedy Kochs DID take Joseph Stalin money too! cascadiance Aug 2015 #56

You aren't going to beat the koch's by leftynyc Aug 2015 #57

Just like Republicans aren't going to win by screaming about socialists... cascadiance Aug 2015 #110

Yes - they will win screaming socialist leftynyc Aug 2015 #113

They have you conditioned in to thinking that only candidates with THEIR money are worth voting for! cascadiance Aug 2015 #114

where's your sources? I think the Kochs blow koch, but ericson00 Aug 2015 #10

It's not hard to find if you use google... cascadiance Aug 2015 #44

New Hampshire: Socialist Most Electable Democrat bobbobbins01 Aug 2015 #12

Welcome to DU PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #13

yes, Democratic, not Socialist Underground ericson00 Aug 2015 #14

You prove Will Rogers right JackInGreen Aug 2015 #19

I see ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #31

And Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist... cascadiance Aug 2015 #111

Okay, I think Bernie has some lectibility issues.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #17

The Guardian isn't exactly London Times or NY Post you know ericson00 Aug 2015 #18

Actuqlly, I'll withdraw my comment. Adrahil Aug 2015 #20

Hooookay....The Guardian is not the London Times, which is owned by Rupert Muroch Armstead Aug 2015 #24

Yes, he has no chance of betting any of the Republicans treestar Aug 2015 #21

And what response would they get if they polled on his positions? Vinca Aug 2015 #22

OK we' re back to socialist now ibegurpard Aug 2015 #23

recycling is good for the environment virtualobserver Aug 2015 #34

It's one big loop JackInGreen Aug 2015 #36

Look for Bernie Sanders: Gun Nut by close of business Thursday frylock Aug 2015 #59

Like the GOP has been so nice to Hillary? Armstead Aug 2015 #25

no, but the American people were nice ericson00 Aug 2015 #63

And the Koch brothers were loving their investment in the DLC that lead to those outcomes too! cascadiance Aug 2015 #112

Should I leave then? daleanime Aug 2015 #26

Socialist least understood group, actually. deutsey Aug 2015 #27

8 years ago folks were warning us here in Iowa about nominating a Black guy. stone space Aug 2015 #28

Blacks, per Gallup, are, and have been way more electable than socialists ericson00 Aug 2015 #64

Got data from 8 years ago on that? stone space Aug 2015 #86

Yes, here is the full trend of Gallup polling on that. Back in 2007, 93% would vote for AA stevenleser Aug 2015 #122

The times, the times they are a changin'!!!! cascadiance Aug 2015 #108

Called it! Meme of the Day! djean111 Aug 2015 #29

And O'Malley and his supporters are saying it now too. Any Dem concerned about winning the G.E. stevenleser Aug 2015 #127

Why wouldn't O'Malley and his supporters say it, too? It is primary season. djean111 Aug 2015 #132

You are absolutely correct Stuckinthebush Aug 2015 #30

we cannot do to ourselves what the GOP is likely to do with Trump ericson00 Aug 2015 #68

There's a difference between voting for an unbought millionaire and an average unbought politician.. cascadiance Aug 2015 #116

DEMOCRATIC Socialist. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #33

HRC, Jeb and "Socialists" are in a three-way dead tie for voter negatives and unelectability. leveymg Aug 2015 #35

After 8 years of these..... Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #37

those weren't self-imposed like with Sanders ericson00 Aug 2015 #66

But the word has little impact anymore. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #72

Gallup's survey speaks for itself, I mean maybe you could write an alternate history ericson00 Aug 2015 #73

The Greatest Generation were a bunch of Socialists. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #83

Kshama Sawant WON as a "self-imposed" socialist in Seattle! cascadiance Aug 2015 #109

The anti-Bernie propaganda is coming fast and furious. marmar Aug 2015 #38

No the Least Electable Group are "Convicted Serial Killers" Armstead Aug 2015 #39

thanks i needed that lol. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #50

Red Scare much? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #40

No kidding! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #41

Should the unlikely event that Bernie becomes our candidate occur...... calguy Aug 2015 #42

So they would vote for Stalin/Koch funded candidates instead! cascadiance Aug 2015 #48

You overestimate the electorate whatthehey Aug 2015 #105

If what you are saying then FDR had no need to lean left when he ran against communists then... cascadiance Aug 2015 #106

Look at a calendar. It's 2015, not Pre-Cold War whatthehey Aug 2015 #119

As someone aid before, human history tends to go in 80 year cycles... cascadiance Aug 2015 #125

But they'll let Clinton coast to the WH? frylock Aug 2015 #62

Clintons have been elected to the White House. Socialists have not been. ericson00 Aug 2015 #65

FDR arguably was a socialist who was pushed to that side by communist party voters of his day... cascadiance Aug 2015 #107

Jesus fucking christ MoveIt Aug 2015 #46

Bernie is running as a Democrat. Badly misinformed OP. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #47

this again.... restorefreedom Aug 2015 #49

lets take it back Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #51

BiBlasio got elected in possibly the most progressive city in America ericson00 Aug 2015 #69

figure you were not a De Blasio fan Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #71

Funny, socialist groups don't like Bernie and don't consider him a real socialist AZ Progressive Aug 2015 #53

BTW, that poll is probably the highest it has been, at 47% saying yes to a socialist AZ Progressive Aug 2015 #55

And Bill Clinton won the presidency in 1992 with 43% of the vote! cascadiance Aug 2015 #117

he got over 50% of the two-party vote ericson00 Aug 2015 #128

Most of those 19% of votes for Perot were against both parties' pro-NAFTA stances... cascadiance Aug 2015 #134

Not sure what you're worried about. apnu Aug 2015 #58

ermergerd an avowed soshulist oh noes!!!12 frylock Aug 2015 #60

Mr.McCarthy called JackInGreen Aug 2015 #61

So did Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Clinton, Mr. Obama, ericson00 Aug 2015 #67

Sanders surges past Clinton in latest NH poll. nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #70

Is that really what you want? whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #74

although i generally support Bernie, the "socialist" tag is going to require explanation 0rganism Aug 2015 #75

I agree whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #76

The term socialist would not play well in Texas Gothmog Aug 2015 #77

With the crowds he had in houston and dallas id say it plays pretty dern well. WDIM Aug 2015 #78

My county party chair was attacked by local press for attending that event Gothmog Aug 2015 #81

or anywhere else that happens to have electoral votes ericson00 Aug 2015 #85

OMFG! We could lose Texas! Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #95

Texas will turn blue one day and when that happens the GOP will have no chance to elect POTUS Gothmog Aug 2015 #102

Senator McCarthy? Is that you? (eom) HassleCat Aug 2015 #79

Sanders voting record shows a man that votes for the people. WDIM Aug 2015 #80

Do you realize this is a progressive website? Depaysement Aug 2015 #82

This is a Democratic site, hence the name ericson00 Aug 2015 #84

Of course you were Depaysement Aug 2015 #90

Can you spell SwiftBoat? Your OP is a total misrepresentation. But just what I'd expect. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #87

Bernie Sanders will be our next President and will win by one of the largest margins ever madokie Aug 2015 #91

the absolute value of his margin would be big, yes ericson00 Aug 2015 #92

Now is the time for bold moves, not for cowardice. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #96

Holy shit. Went to the USSR? You know that's the same shit the GOP said about Bill Clinton. progressoid Aug 2015 #98

he did not honey moon there. ericson00 Aug 2015 #101

O.F.F.S. progressoid Aug 2015 #103

I guess what they do as students doesn't count... cascadiance Aug 2015 #118

59% support Sanders over Trump jfern Aug 2015 #99

SHOCKING picture of Bernie's wedding reception in the Soviet Union: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #100

And since you'll use a photoshop, I'll use one too! cascadiance Aug 2015 #115

The only problem with a graphic like this one is - the low-information voter. calimary Aug 2015 #133

Has anyone posted this yet? gollygee Aug 2015 #104

More Gallup baloney Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #124

Is everyone forgetting Bernie is Jewish? The PTB will disqualify him on that alone. valerief Aug 2015 #126

Plenty of Democrats are socialists. David__77 Aug 2015 #129

LBJ and FDR never called themselves socialists because they knew better ericson00 Aug 2015 #130

I don't really have reality on "anti-socialism." David__77 Aug 2015 #131

There is absoutely no chance of Bernie Sanders ever winning the general election.... Walk away Aug 2015 #135