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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Anyone but Bernie [View all]
 

Armstead

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119. I complain if the speed limit is lowered by 5 mph
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:26 PM
Aug 2015

Nobody likes to be regulated, '

Naturally they are going to complain about Dodd Frank. They don't want ANY regulations. And to them it's especially annoying because they are not used to actually having new controls placed on them, even if relatively minor. It's an affront to the natural order they have gotten accustomed to over the last 35 years.

And, if Democrats were serious about Citizens United they would be filing bills every day or doing whatever else it takes to get around the SC ruling. Sure the GOP would fight and block it. But politics is supposed to be about a battle between political parties and ideologies. Eventually, either one side wins, or a compromise is reached. The GOP understands that. Why can't the Dems be as relentless as the GOP on that any any number of other things?

As I said above, ultimately what Sanders and his supporters are trying to do is move the Democrats away from the "center right" and back to the center left (capital "L" Liberalism) to at least restore some balance to the political equation.



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Anyone but Bernie [View all] whatchamacallit Aug 2015 OP
if he DOES manage to win the primary ibegurpard Aug 2015 #1
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC preferred a business as usual republican to Sanders. n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #2
Look what they did to Bill Halter in 2010. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #12
yup ibegurpard Aug 2015 #90
2010 AND 2014 Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #188
I think you can safely bet on that. FiveGoodMen Aug 2015 #80
That's what they did in NJ when they supported Christie over a good Progressive Dem. Because sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #238
"Corporatists" - I think you meant to say simply 'capitalists,' but I KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #264
Only in the sense of "if Bernie wins the primary, pigs will fly". DanTex Aug 2015 #10
Hello, Bernie supporter here. retrowire Aug 2015 #13
Funny, I seem to recall a boatload of HRC supporters who vowed to NEVER vote for Obama. Indepatriot Aug 2015 #26
Yes, in 2008. Now it's the Bernie supporters doing that, and sounding very similar. DanTex Aug 2015 #31
THIS time around? October Aug 2015 #34
DT, please humor me and list 5 positions Hillary has on major issues that you feel are superior to Indepatriot Aug 2015 #41
Or even 3? Maybe 1? Anybody? Buehler? Crickets. Divernan Aug 2015 #164
I'd be happy with one but the only one I ever hear is the old "not electable in the general" canard corkhead Aug 2015 #199
Here's one...because it would hijack this thread to discuss all of them. Sancho Aug 2015 #182
You think the Robin Hood Tax is a bad idea?????????? bread_and_roses Aug 2015 #183
yep...it's a bad idea to steal from working people and give money to rich GOP politicians... Sancho Aug 2015 #189
Normally I don't like to nitpick grammar NobodyHere Aug 2015 #195
Just a typo...easy to fix Sancho Aug 2015 #198
Hahahahaha. Who would want to fund that? azmom Aug 2015 #226
Trump. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #231
Robin Hood tax is not stealing from workers retirement bread_and_roses Aug 2015 #260
it's seriously both sides doing that, and everyone needs to cut that shit out Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #83
That attitude druidity33 Aug 2015 #179
In reality, there are very few states "in play". bvar22 Aug 2015 #240
I'd say my Sanders support is secondary to my Hillary opposition. Chan790 Aug 2015 #186
You're such a sexist hater!1!! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #230
i believe they were called DesertFlower Aug 2015 #160
Those who say that are kinda stupid, imho, ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #66
Sad thing there are many here saying they won't support her.... Historic NY Aug 2015 #72
NO, they are not stupid. They are naive ideologists passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #77
There are a lot of people that wouldn't be voting at all if it weren't for Sanders. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #88
I keep seeing this notion posted here ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #98
And I keep seeing the notion that Senator Sanders can't win in the general. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #118
I asked a VERY specific question. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #120
Where is the evidence that shows that Senator Sanders can't win in the General. That's rhett o rick Aug 2015 #124
You are the one claiming ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #128
The poster is free to make that assertion without links to support it dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #134
Any poster is free ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #139
Hillarious, not playing. - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #140
Thanks for making my point. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #144
facts are great, the post you responded to wasn't intended as such, your games are stale - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #145
Ah, yes, welcome to the "new DU" ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #146
So where are your facts. Does Clinton support the XL Pipeline? Fracking? The TPP? Arctic rhett o rick Aug 2015 #152
What does your latest diatribe ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #154
You must be used to people obeying your every demand. Sorry but Homey don't rhett o rick Aug 2015 #157
It was a simple question. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #159
Over the top. Agschmid Aug 2015 #218
"Maybe let the poor eat bread." BeanMusical Aug 2015 #236
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", I believe is the phrase but I believe it's actully been debunked.nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #241
People are stating that as being the reality, not as it being "a fact" Babel_17 Aug 2015 #184
"make any ridiculous assertion without evidence to support it." BeanMusical Aug 2015 #234
I don't have official stats but I can tell you that I personally know quite a few Live and Learn Aug 2015 #170
+1 And Republicans and Independents that wouldn't be voting for a Democrat if it weren't for Sander Live and Learn Aug 2015 #112
Have you come up with the facts ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #150
i'm not anti clinton. on a personal level DesertFlower Aug 2015 #161
At this point... A loyalty oath from either side is the same thing, crap. Agschmid Aug 2015 #222
This has nothing to do with a loyality oath. Clinton supporters have continually posted rhett o rick Aug 2015 #225
What you've posted is the definition of a loyalty oath. Agschmid Aug 2015 #247
I can't help it if some Democrats will never vote for Clinton. I am just the messanger. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #250
You've lost it. Agschmid Aug 2015 #251
You quote me but say that it might not be my exact words? What? rhett o rick Aug 2015 #254
Not Accurate psaylor Aug 2015 #73
If that's true, if Clinton supporters will vote for Sen Sanders if he wins the nomination, then it rhett o rick Aug 2015 #85
Tower, this is Porcine Air Flight B-3RN13 Picking Dem Aug 2015 #147
Oh, really? chervilant Aug 2015 #166
DanTex SCantiGOP Aug 2015 #187
Not if, but WHEN he does win the primary. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #174
Sanders is just not prepared to be President lewebley3 Aug 2015 #190
such insightful analysis frylock Aug 2015 #205
Only senator of a small state 620,000: No executive Branch experience lewebley3 Aug 2015 #208
That's some real inside baseball stuff right there.. frylock Aug 2015 #209
This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Aug 2015 #210
Which primary? MineralMan Aug 2015 #200
You should alert on that poster. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #239
I don't alert on replies to me. MineralMan Aug 2015 #252
The perception of what is or isn't a personal attack is highly subjective. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #261
That's why DU has the jury system. MineralMan Aug 2015 #266
Of course you don't. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #268
Look at NJ did with Krispy Kreme and the Democrat in the last election. The NJ Democrats all but Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #201
Not if Trump wins the Republican nomination Reter Aug 2015 #215
Half the Hillary supporters will probly defect to the Republican - see McGovern '72 for KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #263
Where did you read this? I don't think the author has a clue what the Clinton campaign is misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #3
argle bargle ibegurpard Aug 2015 #4
Like I said, there are some who only see the world from their misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #165
I have heard HRC operatives Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #5
Nobody is worried about Bernie actually winning. DanTex Aug 2015 #7
Hey, come on. Just spend a few more corporate millions. No worries! erronis Aug 2015 #16
If no one is worried about Bernie winning the nomination, Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #17
Yes, you should celebrate. Enjoy. Meanwhile HRC will be figuring out how to beat the DanTex Aug 2015 #18
THIS ^ misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #21
Maybe she should concentrate on what's at hand Lordquinton Aug 2015 #58
DING, DING, DING -- We Have A Winner.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2015 #212
Counting your chicks before they hatch Lordquinton Aug 2015 #244
Think Thomas E. Dewey 1948. A picture tells a thousand words: KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #265
Nice Lordquinton Aug 2015 #267
*DING* CORONATION IMPLIED *DING* Picking Dem Aug 2015 #149
Bernie isn't attacking Hillary from any direction n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #36
And that's great news. His supporters on the other hand... DanTex Aug 2015 #39
Are free to do as they wish, as are her supporters attacking him. arcane1 Aug 2015 #44
What did I make up? DanTex Aug 2015 #46
"Bernie attacking Hillary from the left" n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #50
I didn't say he was doing it, I said people were worried about that. DanTex Aug 2015 #53
Oh. Never mind then :) arcane1 Aug 2015 #54
Hillary needs no help hurting her chances ibegurpard Aug 2015 #57
"HRC isn't worried about losing to Bernie." Really? Old Crow Aug 2015 #138
But Bernie hasn't been attacking her passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #78
omg whatttt???? wendylaroux Aug 2015 #93
The meme that he is a weaker GE candidate is made up from whole cloth by Clinton supporters. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #115
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Aug 2015 #127
No one is afraid of Bernie. The focus is past the primary & their misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #9
"The focus is past the primary..." frylock Aug 2015 #38
They're too arrogant to be scared of Bernie...But thoise e-mails..... Armstead Aug 2015 #8
No, its about dismantling the power behind the GOP. misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #11
You mean the same powers that are behind the Democratic Establishment Armstead Aug 2015 #15
You can't possibly think that Goldman Sachs is behind Dems in the same way DanTex Aug 2015 #19
Um, they and the other banksters drove US economoic policy INSIDE the WH Armstead Aug 2015 #22
OK, first of all, contributions from Wall Street go to both Dems and the GOP, DanTex Aug 2015 #30
I said the Dems are better than the GOP on many levels Armstead Aug 2015 #42
You think the "big money banksters" are the ones who drove Dodd Frank? DanTex Aug 2015 #47
I complain if the speed limit is lowered by 5 mph Armstead Aug 2015 #119
Thanks for trying. azmom Aug 2015 #79
Koch Money funded the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), bvar22 Aug 2015 #70
Oh don't confuse me with facts Armstead Aug 2015 #107
The Truth Has Been Spoken..... LovingA2andMI Aug 2015 #213
"dismantling the power behind the GOP"???!!! bvar22 Aug 2015 #125
when you have a lot of money and been around it most of your life zeemike Aug 2015 #49
The e-mails are a non issue to dems passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #87
Reality is Sanders is drinking HRC's milkshake with little media coverage and blatent attempts at Indepatriot Aug 2015 #27
Haahaa.. ok we'll be sure to wave as HRC leaves the Primary on her way to the GE. misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #32
and as Hillary steps into retirement from public life the third week of Nov 2016 Armstead Aug 2015 #45
One Happy Day..... LovingA2andMI Aug 2015 #214
There is a real world out here you know madokie Aug 2015 #60
Can we all please just stop this crap passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #106
Not a chance for bernie..He has no policy plan for any of his podium pounding chants. misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #135
Facebook is one of those small, secluded worlds where Sanders is getting a lot of play.. frylock Aug 2015 #35
It must be those few, secluded people from Facebook.... bvar22 Aug 2015 #133
Cheesy infographics Chico Man Aug 2015 #143
tens of thousands of likes and shares frylock Aug 2015 #206
Something tells me Chico Man Aug 2015 #229
NPR this A.M. speculated on just this regarding Biden & Gore candidacies... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #56
May the best candidate win!! monicaangela Aug 2015 #59
I know a woman in Wyoming who says that chickens are her happy place. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #68
So how exactly will President Sanders... Indydem Aug 2015 #153
You're correct about the limitations of office, but POTUS ... Babel_17 Aug 2015 #185
are you implying that your democrats will side with republicans to obstruct.. frylock Aug 2015 #207
Why, yes, Frylock, I believe IndyDem, may be saying just that! StandingInLeftField Aug 2015 #228
PUMA Pride! frylock Aug 2015 #242
So is it their lack of fear which has them talking about losing IA and NH? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #113
"I don't think the author has a clue what the Clinton campaign is even about." cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #123
+10 ! (Nm) PosterChild Aug 2015 #151
Truth. n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #14
You have identified the problem. Bernie would derail the gravy train. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #20
After he loses the nomination I'd be curious to see what he does. .. George II Aug 2015 #25
We'll never know... Indepatriot Aug 2015 #28
He has to file a termination report for his committee. George II Aug 2015 #69
No, that would be Clinton, and there will be questions asked.... Picking Dem Aug 2015 #74
EVERY candidate will be filing termination reports. You don't know much about campaign finance... George II Aug 2015 #76
Ah, finally you bring up something that Hillary actually IS more qualified than Bernie at doing... Indepatriot Aug 2015 #97
No, as far as I know she's run for office only 3 or 4 times - President in 2008 (maybe 2004?)... George II Aug 2015 #100
Fantasy treestar Aug 2015 #23
That is something often overlooked in the conversation. Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2015 #37
There's more to it than that...well a little more monicaangela Aug 2015 #48
One foot goes before the other .. Trajan Aug 2015 #108
Do you have anything on which to base this theory? George II Aug 2015 #24
I had no idea postatomic Aug 2015 #29
Who ever ends up being our candidate, we definately need to.... Bubzer Aug 2015 #33
Exactly!!! monicaangela Aug 2015 #40
Republicans are so afraid of him that they're trying to make him the nominee. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #43
I agree!! monicaangela Aug 2015 #51
Conservatives’ Bernie Sanders lovefest: Why the right has the hots for a prickly socialist Gothmog Aug 2015 #55
Republicans should support the Vermont socialist’s campaign to force Hillary left. Gothmog Aug 2015 #52
They are - they want to damage Hillary Clinton as much as they can before the GE.... George II Aug 2015 #64
This post seems to be written with the assumption that Bernie is too 'ultra left' for America PatrickforO Aug 2015 #71
I am not making the assumption-This is from the National Review and Republican voters Gothmog Aug 2015 #84
And I believe the exact opposite ibegurpard Aug 2015 #86
And socialism will play well in Montana? Gothmog Aug 2015 #89
right back atcha ibegurpard Aug 2015 #91
Oh and let's do a bit of comparison shall we? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #101
Do you trust the judgment of Republicans? frylock Aug 2015 #96
The Republicans are masters of dirty tricks Gothmog Aug 2015 #129
Well, we knew at the outset that everyone in the establishment of both parties PatrickforO Aug 2015 #142
I'm gonna lmfao when this backfires on them.. frylock Aug 2015 #94
Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 and that strategy worked for the GOP Gothmog Aug 2015 #130
This is the primary were talking about here. frylock Aug 2015 #136
So Rove and Company do not play dirty tricks before the general election? Gothmog Aug 2015 #162
And as I said earlier, I'm going to be lmfao when this backfires.. frylock Aug 2015 #197
Time will tell but you are betting on the GOP not being good at dirty tricks Gothmog Aug 2015 #253
OH Goody. A new meme. The old ones were getting kind of boring Armstead Aug 2015 #122
I am not bored Gothmog Aug 2015 #131
Sunsitute "Hillary" or "O'Malley" or "(Fill in the Blank)" for Sanders Armstead Aug 2015 #132
Clinton will keep the financing gap close but I fear that Sanders is bringing a knife to a gunfight Gothmog Aug 2015 #163
+1000 MissDeeds Aug 2015 #61
As i sit posting I do not feel scared, maybe some are but not this Democrat. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #62
Nobody is pondering anything yet GitRDun Aug 2015 #63
I can see that I would never want to be associated with you at any time Trajan Aug 2015 #110
Suits me fine. GitRDun Aug 2015 #121
You're damned right it is! PatrickforO Aug 2015 #65
And by "surging", you mean "in the teens, where he was in June"? brooklynite Aug 2015 #67
We're living in bizarro world. Up is down! Metric System Aug 2015 #81
To be fair the primary really is about state polling... Agschmid Aug 2015 #223
...where he's behind everywhere but NH brooklynite Aug 2015 #227
That is currently accurate. Agschmid Aug 2015 #245
Here's his big problem... brooklynite Aug 2015 #249
Derailing the Gravy Train...I'm stealing this one...succinct and on point. libdem4life Aug 2015 #75
We outnumber them, and they know it. azmom Aug 2015 #82
I absolutely agree! SoapBox Aug 2015 #92
If they try Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #95
American Spring? bvar22 Aug 2015 #126
No one is "scared shitless" of Bernie. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #99
Reference? MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #232
Surely you're smart enough to know ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #255
It depends on what scares people, I'd say... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #257
Okey dokey. NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #258
"Everyone"? I wouldn't say everyone is that degree of "scared shitless"... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #262
Those responsible for holding the hands of the monied class Babel_17 Aug 2015 #102
Anyone who has a reasonable chance of beating the GOP. DCBob Aug 2015 #103
"IF she flounders"? She's floundering NOW. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #104
Sanders said he will vote for Schumer to be dem senate leader JI7 Aug 2015 #105
when was that? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #109
when Schumer tried to get him to oppose the iran deal JI7 Aug 2015 #111
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #114
'They,' eh? onehandle Aug 2015 #116
Sanders still supports Schumer for Democratic leader depsite the Iran disagreement DFW Aug 2015 #117
Capital of Switzerland! good one! redstateblues Aug 2015 #204
I actually think the establishment is worried about Clinton scandals dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #137
Some people simply don't like him Chico Man Aug 2015 #141
That's because the Democratic establishment sucks jfern Aug 2015 #148
We can't be having truth tellers in office. L0oniX Aug 2015 #155
75 right before election MFM008 Aug 2015 #156
I have had the same concern. At the start of this race, some wanted Warren misterhighwasted Aug 2015 #158
What do those numbers represent? lovemydog Aug 2015 #171
O'Malley but Dems seem to want someone older this time around JI7 Aug 2015 #173
Howard Dean remarked on that right after the 2008 election DFW Aug 2015 #259
True. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #167
Sounds very believable. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #168
Prepare For Jeb Bush Dirty Tricks billhicks76 Aug 2015 #169
I'm very happy to see the response Sanders' message is getting deutsey Aug 2015 #172
This thread is Hillarious. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #175
Absolutely! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #237
Scared in the sense if he somehow miraculously wins the Dem nomination, we could lose the WH. DCBob Aug 2015 #176
Nice try ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #177
Just trying to clarify how many Democrats feel about Bernie. DCBob Aug 2015 #178
Nope ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #180
Right... I guess you forgot this was a discussion board. DCBob Aug 2015 #181
Miraculously winning the nomination generates enormous buzz for the genereal election Babel_17 Aug 2015 #191
Valid point. DCBob Aug 2015 #192
A legitimate concern Babel_17 Aug 2015 #194
Reference? MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #233
No doubt in my mind the DLC leadership/Third Way types would prefer a Republican over Bernie Sanders Teamster Jeff Aug 2015 #193
ever since Lamont vs. Lieberman they showed that they DID prefer Pubs over someone too lib MisterP Aug 2015 #224
What IS Really Sad AND Very Upsetting Is The Reality ChiciB1 Aug 2015 #196
Democracy will win the primary. I have looked at the endorsements by the Congressional members, 118 Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #202
They were going to ignore him. Their consuitants, media gurus and buds in the industry so advised. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #203
Sanders is a Mcgovern candidate but a loser lewebley3 Aug 2015 #211
McGovern never drew these kinds of crowds and he finished a relatively.... Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #216
The debates haven't even started. Octafish Aug 2015 #221
65%& Dem in Nh want Hillary to be the nominee: American is not voting for a socialist lewebley3 Aug 2015 #243
So sayeth Lewebley the third whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #217
So how exactly would Sanders "derail the gravy train?" Adrahil Aug 2015 #219
The desperation will disappear the second they must ''back'' Bernie Sanders officially. Octafish Aug 2015 #220
Anyone with a logical thought knows gwheezie Aug 2015 #235
Including the influence last night with that often asshat, Bill Maher... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #246
It's simple. He is the status quo's worst nightmare. hifiguy Aug 2015 #248
Kick and Rec AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #256
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